There is no logical reason for sin. Sin is insane. We have the ability to choose insanity and selfishness instead of truth and love.
Granted.
"them ... that hate me without a cause." (Ps 35:19)
"They that hate me without a cause" (Ps 69:4)
"What more could have been done?" (Isa 5:4)
"Why, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?" (Isa 5:4)
"why will ye die?" (Ezek 18:31)
"why will ye die" (Ezek 33:11)
"Why will ye die?" (Jer 27:13)
Grace is forgiveness not immunity.
By His grace I am immune to sin, death and condemnation. Sin has no power over me, death has lost its sting. I am immune to the law. Grace is immunity.
Forgiveness is gracious, but it still required the atonement to be justified.
Immunity is not gracious. No atonement could justify immunity.
Support your position.
Obedience is a condition of acceptance (except for liberals).
No, obedience is the aftermath of grace.
If we can be forgiven and obey then there is no need for immunity.
Exactly! If we could obey there would be no need for immunity, but we can't obey.
For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that
it is good. But now,
it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but
how to perform what is good I do not find. For the good that I will
to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not
to do, that I practice. Now if I do what I will not
to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
- Romans 7:15-20
When a ruler grants immunity it shows he doesn't care about the community.
That's fallacious balderdash if ever I've heard it!
He grants us immunity because He knows we are incapable of being obedient; He grants it because He cares, because He loves us.
Is it a state of the will? Is it a voluntary state? If it is not voluntary, then it is involuntary. If we could not have avoided it, then it is not our fault. What was the cause? Physics? Adam? The devil? John Calvin?
It cannot be avoided only by the fact that there are two states of being and not being born into one we are automatically born into the other. So it is not that we are born into a state of unrighteousness but that we are not born righteous. Has it never occurred to you that this is why grace.
I'm pretty certain there is no heaven but I imagine if you are fairly decent you'll be okay.
It's gonna suck to be you.
Not according to Ghost. According to Ghost, I can be a practicing homosexual but as long as I believe the right thing about God, I can be a practicing homosexual and still go to heaven.
Idiot.
If you accept Christ the Spirit in you will lead you to run from homosexuality if you are a homosexual. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 shows us that homosexuals who accept Christ are then no longer homosexuals.
Being "in Him" is conditional. Except in the minds of universalists. However you want to say it doesn't make a difference. There is a condition of being "in Him" (more than one condition if someone has sinned).
No, there is only the one condition.
How much faith, precisely, does it take to get into heaven? :think:
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
+T+
The amount of faith it took Christ to die in our place, be buried and rise again.
