The Trinity

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

What or Who do you consider as God?
I see only the Father as God and he is a spirit.

I'm putting my devil horns on and using the old "indian name" for God to bring our "philosophical" discussion to common ground to remove the tension of our "Who do you consider as God?" out of the discussion.

Can we do that for the sake of the excellent questions you've asked?

I have an old IPad, a Samsung tablet, an iPod, and a LG phone that I just got. I also have a cheap laptop with Win 10 and an old HP desk top. I love computers. When I retired from the newspaper it was my job to keep the work stations running and to set the code for the graphic program they were using. All with no formal education. That was 19 years ago.

Now that's pretty cool! Don't tell your Samsung tab. and LG phone that I said the Apple device is the best. And... I'll confess... my laptop is running Windows 10. Apple has it's way of making the downloading of music very difficult... not that... Ahem... who said that? Disregard that last part.

So... back to it then...

Can a train track that goes on infinitely in both directions... ever bring a "destination" forth... if the beginning of the train track would have to be the initial "starting point"?

And to add to the question... with a question to prime reasoning... does "negative infinity" have a "beginning"?

Let's jump to the big question here... Did God have a beginning?

I'll give my answer first... "No"

Let's jump to the next question... would the "Spirit World" exist without the "Great Spirit"?

P.s. I just saw your "apple Ipad" mark and must confess that you being an Apple guy has brought out the kinder... me. Okay... and the I like you thing too.

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

A soul IS a BODY made alive with a spirit.

You won't even consider what I say, so you should not call yourself a debater.

Refer to 1 Thessalonians. We can see that God will sanctify us through and through, our whole spirit (spirit without a body), soul (spirit and body together), and our body (with or without our spirit/dead or alive). God truly sanctifies us through and through.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Study something harder for awhile, then maybe you can debate with more intensity.

Hi GT...

I'm giving all of my attention to Keypurr today. You and I can discuss this another time.

All respect,

EE

 

[JudgeRightly]

You can not have an image of something that does not exist.


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If Jesus is the image of God, and if you cannot have an image of something that does not exist, then are you implying that God did not exist prior to the Son's existence? Technically you'd be correct, because the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit existed together for all of eternity past. What I think you meant to say, however, is that the Son did not exist at all at one point, and then He did, and that is simply not true.

 

[keypurr]

Would you stop saying that! You're going to ruin my rep!

But seriously... I had to grapple with these questions when I was an atheist. I will even say something that will seem a little out of place... I can argue the Bible... even from the "Big Bang" perspective. I've done it before and satisfactorily shown a few atheists that they were actually Agnostic.

I would sincerely like to bat the discussion of "eternity", infinity and God... back and forth with you. I don't ever judge intellect by "education".

Now... in comparison to God... yeah... we're all retards... but... for the sake of this discussion... I honestly know that you are an "over thinker". Guess how...! Because I am too.

Sorry that I spilled the beans on you.

Agree that we are not equipped to understand it all, but maybe we can see some light.

I was an agnostic when I was 20, but I was seeking more and I found it in the minds of many folks from many churches.

I will discuss any thing with you, but I may not agree with do.
If we can debate and stay friends, bring it on friend.


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[God's Truth]

Hi GT...

I'm giving all of my attention to Keypurr today. You and I can discuss this another time.

All respect,

EE

Keypurr's beliefs are that there are two Sons of God.

You can't defend your false doctrines against what I say, so you, the blind, try to debate someone blind.

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

Sorry that I spilled the beans on you.

Agree that we are not equipped to understand it all, but maybe we can see some light.

I was an agnostic when I was 20, but I was seeking more and I found it in the minds of many folks from many churches.

I will discuss any thing with you, but I may not agree with do.
If we can debate and stay friends, bring it on friend.


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Keypurr... I can be my vicious self to anyone in debate and honestly... from the bottom of my heart... I would buy the first round... any day. I'd even spring for 2 shots of good whiskey to boot. That's who i am, by the Grace of God.

I'm not trying to restate things... but the two questions I asked you are a good primer for this discussion and because you are you... I think [MENTION=4465]Bright Raven[/MENTION] will be okay with the discussion taking place here. (Beat me about the head and shoulders if I'm wrong Bright Raven.)

Back to it...

1)

Can a train track that goes on infinitely in both directions... ever bring a "destination" forth... if the beginning of the train track would have to be the initial "starting point"?

And to add to the question... with a question to prime reasoning... does "negative infinity" have a "beginning"?

2)

Let's jump to the big question here... Did God have a beginning?

I'll give my answer first... "No"

Let's jump to the next question... would the "Spirit World" exist without the "Great Spirit"?

and I'll throw this one back in for good measure.

3) Does God have a Soul, Spirit and Body? Remember... we were made in "His IMAGE"

[MENTION=3801]keypurr[/MENTION] ... I'm going to have to jump off around 5 pm. I'll continue with you tomorrow if the day permits. If you can answer before then... I'm good to go. If not... no worries.

- EE

 

[Ktoyou]

God is eternally one and manifests Himself in three forms.

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

Keypurr's beliefs are that there are two Sons of God.

You can't defend your false doctrines against what I say, so you, the blind, try to debate someone blind.

You've had your days. I will get back with you another day. I maintain that I am focused on Keypurr today. My time is limited... so I'm allotting it to him.

Thank you and all respect,

EE

 

[keypurr]

Can a train track that goes on infinitely in both directions... ever bring a "destination" forth... if the beginning of the train track would have to be the initial "..........

And to add to the question... with a question to prime reasoning... does "negative infinity" have a "beginning"?

The start of a circle is relative to the point of start. I think infinity could be like the endless circle. It has no known origin or ending unless you set one.

There can be no negative infinity unless you select a starting point.



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[keypurr]

A soul IS a BODY made alive with a spirit.

You won't even consider what I say, so you should not call yourself a debater.

Refer to 1 Thessalonians. We can see that God will sanctify us through and through, our whole spirit (spirit without a body), soul (spirit and body together), and our body (with or without our spirit/dead or alive). God truly sanctifies us through and through.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Study something harder for awhile, then maybe you can debate with more intensity.

I think the soul is the person we are, our mind. The inner person that lives and feels emotion. Our personhood. It requires a body and a spirit to develop.


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[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

The start of a circle is relative to the point of start. I think infinity could be like the endless circle. It has no known origin or ending unless you set one.

There can be no negative infinity unless you select a starting point.



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So... philisophically... theosophically... spatially... intellectually... we can safely say that God "Who is Infinite"... has no "beginning" ... which is really mind warping... but... can we agree on this particular "point"?

And... ta-da... this leaves these two questions which one of is asked in the preceding reference.

2)

Let's jump to the big question here... Did God have a beginning?

I'll give my answer first... "No"

Let's jump to the next question... would the "Spirit World" exist without the "Great Spirit"?

and I'll throw this one back in for good measure.

3) Does God have a Soul, Spirit and Body? Remember... we were made in "His IMAGE"

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

I think the soul is the person we are, our mind. The inner person that lives and feels emotion. Our personhood. It requires a body and a spirit to develop.


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You sir... will see this quoted down the "train tracks" of discussion. And... well said.

 

[keypurr]

Scripture please.

Are you serious?

Show me any image that is not created by the form of the subject it is an image of. You do not need scripture to see that BR.


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[JudgeRightly]

Heb 1:3, Col 1:15

Neither of those say the Son was created.

A thinking person, how refreshing.

There had to be the Father before there was a Son.

A person cannot be a father until he has a son.

God the Father existed for all eternity as the Father, therefore the Son must have existed for all eternity, because the Father could not be a father without a son, the Son of God.

But it was God who created time.

God (the Trinity) created the universe through God (the Son). Nowhere does the Bible say that God created time.

This is way beyond our understanding BR.

It's actually not, time is not an entity to be created.

I've gone through this many times, but I'll link it again:

kgov.com/time

No, what I am seeking is the true meaning of eternity, when did it begin?

Time did not begin. Nor will it end.

I do not argue with God but I do with man's assumptions of God's words.

Man's assumption is that "Time shall be no more." [line from "When the roll is called up yonder"] But that's not scriptural. You cannot find that phrase in the Bible.

Eternity is a measurement of time. (All time)
Like Infinity, they are measurements.

kgov.com/time

Most likely time only pertains to the Universe. We know that there is movement in the Universe. But....what about the Spirit world????

See the link I posted above.

 

[Ktoyou]

The soul is that aspect of a person, which apprehends God. It can never be a computer program, as it does not follow from logic, and cannot be an algorithm.

 

[glorydaz]

A soul IS a BODY made alive with a spirit.



1 Thessalonians 5:23 May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Your statement is NOT in agreement with the scripture you gave. You cannot make these things up as you go along. :doh:


Man is composed of a spirit, soul, and body.
The breath of life makes him a living being (soul).
Man has a soul and is a living soul (being).

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

I think the soul is the person we are, our mind. The inner person that lives and feels emotion. Our personhood. It requires a body and a spirit to develop.


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I've got to log off for the day... but to you and everyone else who I've been blessed to discuss with on this Awesome thread of [MENTION=4465]Bright Raven[/MENTION] 's ... and all of the other threads today. ... Even you [MENTION=14521]God's Truth[/MENTION] ...

All Respect, Grace, Love and Hope, In HIM,

- EE

 

[keypurr]

:doh: do you say... that's "not me" in the mirror?

This is as off from the mark as you can get! He is the GLORY! The PRESENCE. You are having to build a wall to avoid what scripture is "reflecting".

Your reflection in the mirror is an image of you, not you.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Your reflection in the mirror is an image of you, not you.

Jesus, the Son, is the image of the Father.

If you want to know what the Father is like, look at the Son.

Of course God the Son is not God the Father. No one here has said that.

 

[keypurr]

The Holy Spirit was with the Father and the Son for all of eternity past.

Depends on how you define eternity.

God the Son existed with God the Father throughout eternity past.

See above, The son is an IMAGE of the Father. The Father existed before the Son.

So you're introducing a fourth person? Keypurr Please answer my question below about said person (not Person).

Not True, The true son is a spirit that was sent to dwell in the body GOD prepred for him.

There is no scripture that says that the Son was created. You can find many scriptures, however, that say the Son existed eternally with the Father.

Yes there is, you just can't accept it.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Not really, but I'll follow along for a moment.



Actually no, that's not how cell division works. Cell division works by one cell splitting into two. There is NO NEW genetic material, only copies of the old.

However, that's for created organisms.

To use your cell analogy, consider God being one organism, comprised of three cells. Each cell is one Person of the trinity, each one distinct, yet they are one organism, and act as one.

One is a copy of another, just as the express image is a copy of the Father.

That organism has existed for eternity past, and so have the three Persons within that organism. The cells have never divided, nor will they (or what, do you think God will become schizophrenic?). All three of those Cells, the One God organism,

Instead of thinking what might be, let's consider what is.

Did the Son indwell someone else's body?

No, only the one anointed by God.