In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Rather interesting that it comes from the Book of Beginnings.
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In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Rather interesting that it comes from the Book of Beginnings.
keypurr
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John 1:1-3 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Before God created the universe (Genesis 1:1), the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit fellowshipped with one another within the Godhead for all of eternity past.
keypurr
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That's not what I said. That's not what I said at all.
I said that God (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) existed for eternity past, the three Persons fellowshipping with each other within the Godhead.
Keypurr, You believe that the Son only indwelled flesh, that the body prior to the indwelling was someone else's body?
You tell me. Connect the dots between Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1-3
You didn't read or understand what JR wrote.
keypurr
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If the Son is the image of the Father, he must have come into existence after the Father. The Holy Spirit comes from the Father.
The point being, the Father always was, but the Son was not.
So what is the original beginning, the creation of the Son or the creation of the worlds? God created all through the Son.
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The Word (aka the Son, aka God, aka Jesus, aka Jesus Christ) existed for all of eternity past. He was not created.
Why must he have come into existence?
The Bible clearly states that He is God, and it clearly states that God has always existed. Why must the Son have been created or come into existence? What verse says that?
[/QUOTE]The Holy Spirit comes from the Father.[/QUOTE]
And? That doesn't mean he was created either.
You cannot find a verse that says that.
God has no beginning, so for "the beginning" in Genesis 1:1, Moses starts with the first time God created something.
God (the Trinity) created all through God (the Son). Only God created.
Keypurr, I'd like an answer to my question, so that I don't make a straw man argument against you.
You believe that the Son only indwelt flesh, and that the body he indwelt belonged to someone else, correct?
Where do you get that from? Scripture references for proof that He had to come into existence after the Father?
I will go a step further on this... Jesus calls Himself the "Light of the world". This is a direct binding to a profession that He is the first Life to "exist" within creation.
So many miss that God alone could be the FIRST to exist within creation. By Jesus binding HIMSELF to Gen. 1:3 ... He isn't saying that He was "Created at Creation" ... but that He is the GREAT I AM THAT I AM. Or... to get more to the point... that Jesus is the very SOURCE of ALL LIGHT that sustains LIFE ... Truth and all that is physical and (forgive the word)... Metaphysical... or (Beyond physical comprehension).
All that could be illuminated... only has ONE SOURCE of SPIRITUAL ILLUMINATION. To claim that Jesus is anything other than the I AM is to behold a "false" illumination.
Hence the deep connection between my screen name and Mt. 6:22
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Where is that said in Scripture?
Time is something that man requires. God does not need it. If you believe He does, give a reference.
God is indeed outside of time and simultaneously inside of time as well. Nothing can bind God, but God can "choose" to bind to time.
Are you now arguing that God cannot "choose"?
keypurr
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The Holy Spirit comes from the Father.[/QUOTE]
And? That doesn't mean he was created either.
You cannot find a verse that says that.
God has no beginning, so for "the beginning" in Genesis 1:1, Moses starts with the first time God created something.
God (the Trinity) created all through God (the Son). Only God created.
Keypurr, I'd like an answer to my question, so that I don't make a straw man argument against you.
You believe that the Son only indwelt flesh, and that the body he indwelt belonged to someone else, correct?[/QUOTE]
God had a spirit son before creation. God has a flesh son that he used to bring us light. The flesh son did not exist before the worlds were made. The spirit son was brought into existence by his creator.
When a single cell subdivides into two, the first cell created the second. Is God like that? The first cell is the original and the second a copy of? It would still be considered a cteation.
Just thinking of what might be.
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