The Wrath of God

[Robert Pate]

Right there, it proves you wrong. Paul says he doesn't offend Caesar. That means he obeys the law as set by Caesar, just like he obeys the law the Pharisees enforced.


You are badly mistaken.
Paul preached circumcision was nothing, and many other such things.



What was too much?


Paul said he didn't break the law.

Jesus himself preached that he forgave sins, something only God could do.

What do you think? Do you think Paul didn't preach forgiveness of sins through Jesus?



Acts 28:23 They arranged to meet Paul on a certain day, and came in even larger numbers to the place where he was staying. He witnessed to them from morning till evening, explaining about the kingdom of God, and from the Law of Moses and from the Prophets he tried to persuade them about Jesus. 24 Some were convinced by what he said, but others would not believe. 25 They disagreed among themselves and began to leave after Paul had made this final statement: “The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your ancestors when he said through Isaiah the prophet:

26 “‘Go to this people and say,
“You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.”
27 For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’

28 “Therefore I want you to know that God’s salvation has been sent to the Gentiles, and they will listen!”

30 For two whole years Paul stayed there in his own rented house and welcomed all who came to see him. 31 He proclaimed the kingdom of God and taught about the Lord Jesus Christ—with all boldness and without hindrance!



Paul preached against circumcision.

Galatians 5:11 Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished.


1 Corinthians 1:23
but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,

Galatians 3:1
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.


Paul taught that observing days and getting circumcised is worthless when it comes to salvation. The Jews tried to get the Christian Gentiles to do those things.

Paul says they are foolish and that Jesus was clearly portrayed as crucified.

When Jesus was crucified, all the purification/ceremonial works were nailed to the cross. A stumbling block to Jews who wanted to keep doing those things, and foolishness to the Gentiles, the Gentiles who were talked into observing special days and circumcision.

Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses, 14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! 15And having disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a festival, a New Moon, or a Sabbath.


Ephesians 2:15
by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace

The one new man is the man that lives by faith and not by the letter of the law. He is the Spirit led man and not the religious law led man. He has ceased from his own works and is resting in the work of Christ. He is the man that is complete in Christ.

 

[God's Truth]

The one new man is the man that lives by faith and not by the letter of the law. He is the Spirit led man and not the religious law led man. He has ceased from his own works and is resting in the work of Christ. He is the man that is complete in Christ.

Jesus says he has a yoke and that it is light, easy, and not burdensome.

You have to do what Jesus says to do to get saved, and to stay saved.

 

[Robert Pate]

Jesus says he has a yoke and that it is light, easy, and not burdensome.

You have to do what Jesus says to do to get saved, and to stay saved.

If that were true there would be no hope. Simply because "There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10.

In the judgment you will be judged by the law and condemned, just like the Pharisees. The Pharisees like yourself, refused to believe that they were sinners. You don't need to be saved because you think that you are already saved by your obedience to the law. Big surprise for you in the judgment because you have not been justified by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Instead you are trying to justify yourself, just like a Pharisee.

 

[Robert Pate]

Is why we wish to keep it...in gratitude for what was done...and despite false witness and slandering jewish lies claiming the new teaching was the Law was changed...abolished even...

Justified by faith indeed...His faithfulness to His faith...the one He created for His people the church in the wilderness

You need to read the Bible and believe it. Paul plainly said that the law has been abolished for the Christian, Ephesians 2:15 also Colossians 2:14.

The law is your crutch. You need to throw your crutches away and trust in Christ alone for your salvation.

 

[clefty]

Right there, it proves you wrong.

lol...you are trying too hard

Paul says he doesn't offend Caesar. That means he obeys the law as set by Caesar,

yes Paul is teaching and living according to what Rome “allowed” or of the Jews...imagine if Paul were teaching a new law of sunday keeping and an abandonment of Jewish ways tolerated by Rome...Christians were always persecuted as a superstitious jewish sect/cult...certainly not for its sunday keeping...lol

just like he obeys the law the Pharisees enforced.

right...now imagine if he was teaching the Sabbath abolished...you think it was a big scene about circumcision and diet? HA imagine Paul demanding practice of Sunday observance...in jerusalem or in the sun god/law roman territory...

You are badly mistaken.

you keep saying...

Paul preached circumcision was nothing, and many other such things.

not even listed in their charges is it? Resolved in Acts 15 no longer an issue...

What was too much?

Paul’s teaching that One rose from the dead...especially that One who was quickly becoming a hero even for gentiles...that really triggered them Jews...them others were “yada yada yada but we find no fault” about it...and of course those following the WAY were proclaiming it the core of their faith...

Paul said he didn't break the law.

right...it is still existing and teaching it’s broken actually breaks it...Paul did NOT preach that...it was false witnesses that alleged he did...he took a public vow to prove he was still faithful...and went to synagogue on the Sabbath...told gentiles to come back next sabbath...he did NOT say come back the next day when they would celebrate eucharist mass and then have ham dinner...

Jesus himself preached that he forgave sins, something only God could do.

What do you think? Do you think Paul didn't preach forgiveness of sins through Jesus?

that means no more Sabbath day rest?

Acts 28:23 They arranged to meet Paul on a certain day, and came in even larger numbers to the place where he was staying. He witnessed to them from morning till evening, explaining about the kingdom of God, and from the Law of Moses and from the Prophets he tried to persuade them about Jesus. 24 Some were convinced by what he said, but others would not believe. 25 They disagreed among themselves and began to leave after Paul had made this final statement: “The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your ancestors when he said through Isaiah the prophet:

26 “‘Go to this people and say,
“You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.”
27 For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’

28 “Therefore I want you to know that God’s salvation has been sent to the Gentiles, and they will listen!”

30 For two whole years Paul stayed there in his own rented house and welcomed all who came to see him. 31 He proclaimed the kingdom of God and taught about the Lord Jesus Christ—with all boldness and without hindrance!

yup taking the promise to Gentiles made some Jews quite upset

Paul preached against circumcision.

He took a vow directly to appease the thousands of Jews who believe and all of them ARE zealous for the law. Acts 21:20 who “heard” rumors he did

Galatians 5:11 Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished.

obviously this was bigger than circumcision...image how big the revulsion would be if Paul taught against the Sabbath...but he didnt

1 Corinthians 1:23
but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,

Galatians 3:1
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.

and what? Galatians were proud ancient cultural people and returning to their own...

Paul taught that observing days and getting circumcised is worthless when it comes to salvation.

no surprise there then that is...”we keep the laws because we believe we are saved and wish to obey”...said everyone in the OT who believed...

The Jews tried to get the Christian Gentiles to do those things.

to do those things to get saved and merely fellowship with them...again NOT in the OT as ONE LAW for both foreigner and native alike...BECAUSE THEY WERE SAVED FROM EGYPT BEFORE THEY EVER GOT THE LAWS...

Paul says they are foolish and that Jesus was clearly portrayed as crucified.

ok lost me there entirely

When Jesus was crucified, all the purification/ceremonial works were nailed to the cross. A stumbling block to Jews who wanted to keep doing those things, and foolishness to the Gentiles, the Gentiles who were talked into observing special days and circumcision.

Sabbath is 4th place on His top 10...not ceremonial...(as if they were even abolished) please learn the difference between Law and ordinance and covenant

Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses, 14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! 15And having disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a festival, a New Moon, or a Sabbath.


Ephesians 2:15
by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace

Yup He canceled the debt and decrees...the consequence of sin...debt and seperation of chosen by blood and saved by faith...

 

[God's Truth]

lol...you are trying too hard

yes Paul is teaching and living according to what Rome “allowed” or of the Jews...imagine if Paul were teaching a new law of sunday keeping and an abandonment of Jewish ways tolerated by Rome...Christians were always persecuted as a superstitious jewish sect/cult...certainly not for its sunday keeping...lol

right...now imagine if he was teaching the Sabbath abolished...you think it was a big scene about circumcision and diet? HA imagine Paul demanding practice of Sunday observance...in jerusalem or in the sun god/law roman territory...


you keep saying...
not even listed in their charges is it? Resolved in Acts 15 no longer an issue...



Paul’s teaching that One rose from the dead...especially that One who was quickly becoming a hero even for gentiles...that really triggered them Jews...them others were “yada yada yada but we find no fault” about it...and of course those following the WAY were proclaiming it the core of their faith...


right...it is still existing and teaching it’s broken actually breaks it...Paul did NOT preach that...it was false witnesses that alleged he did...he took a public vow to prove he was still faithful...and went to synagogue on the Sabbath...told gentiles to come back next sabbath...he did NOT say come back the next day when they would celebrate eucharist mass and then have ham dinner...

that means no more Sabbath day rest?



yup taking the promise to Gentiles made some Jews quite upset



He took a vow directly to appease the thousands of Jews who believe and all of them ARE zealous for the law. Acts 21:20 who “heard” rumors he did

obviously this was bigger than circumcision...image how big the revulsion would be if Paul taught against the Sabbath...but he didnt


and what? Galatians were proud ancient cultural people and returning to their own...


no surprise there then that is...”we keep the laws because we believe we are saved and wish to obey”...said everyone in the OT who believed...

to do those things to get saved and merely fellowship with them...again NOT in the OT as ONE LAW for both foreigner and native alike...BECAUSE THEY WERE SAVED FROM EGYPT BEFORE THEY EVER GOT THE LAWS...

ok lost me there entirely

Sabbath is 4th place on His top 10...not ceremonial...(as if they were even abolished) please learn the difference between Law and ordinance and covenant



Yup He canceled the debt and decrees...the consequence of sin...debt and seperation of chosen by blood and saved by faith...

You can't get around it, Paul taught the observance of special days and circumcision was worthless.

He was arrested many times and beat because he preached the truth.

He might have obeyed the old law and didn't break it, but he still preached the truth.

 

[God's Truth]

If that were true there would be no hope. Simply because "There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10.

Don't be ridiculous. Paul didn't preach against Jesus' teachings.

There was none so righteous that there is no one who had not ever sinned.

Paul is quoting the Old Testament and is explaining that the Jews sinned too.

Get on the side of truth.

Common sense says you don't say it is right to preach against something Jesus taught.

In the judgment you will be judged by the law and condemned, just like the Pharisees.

The Pharisees didn't obey Jesus, are you a dolt or unstable?

Jesus doesn't put people in Hell for obeying him.

The Pharisees like yourself, refused to believe that they were sinners.

I don't think you have read the Bible. You just don't know anything. I think someone taught you a false doctrine and you never had any desire to read the Bible.

Don't you know the Pharisees didn't believe they are sinners and they did not repent. That is you, you say we don't have to repent of our sins.

You don't need to be saved because you think that you are already saved by your obedience to the law.

I think you are very old and don't have a memory as one should, especially since you are one who wants to come here to condemn others. I have told you many times that Jesus taught a new law and not the old.

 

[glorydaz]

Don't be ridiculous. Paul didn't preach against Jesus' teachings.

There was none so righteous that there is no one who had not ever sinned.

Paul is quoting the Old Testament and is explaining that the Jews sinned too.

Get on the side of truth.

Common sense says you don't say it is right to preach against something Jesus taught.



The Pharisees didn't obey Jesus, are you a dolt or unstable?

Jesus doesn't put people in Hell for obeying him.



I don't think you have read the Bible. You just don't know anything. I think someone taught you a false doctrine and you never had any desire to read the Bible.

Don't you know the Pharisees didn't believe they are sinners and they did not repent. That is you, you say we don't have to repent of our sins.



I think you are very old and don't have a memory as one should, especially since you are one who wants to come here to condemn others. I have told you many times that Jesus taught a new law and not the old.

The personal attacks you're doling out should get you banned. :banned:


And you're always the one whining about being personally attacked. Hypocrite.

 

[God's Truth]

The personal attacks you're doling out should get you banned. :banned:


And you're always the one whining about being personally attacked. Hypocrite.

Are you kidding, you called me every foul thing you could think of, and you say it publicly and privately.

It is your loss and to your dismay if I get banned, not mine.

You people verbally abuse me and some others here in the foulest way imaginable.

People like you, lifeisgood, Tambora, John W., Pate, AMR and others here verbally abuse constantly and all the while you have a pack of you giving each other 'thanks' and high five smilies and whatnot, it is just insane and evil.

 

[God's Truth]

The Wrath of God is coming for unbelievers and for those who say they believe but stay in sin.

That is what the Bible says.

Romans 2:5
But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.

1 Corinthians 3:13 each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

Luke 12:47“The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.

 

[God's Truth]

Those who say they believe in Jesus yet sin, they will experience God's Wrath:

Revelation 11:13
And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand were killed in the quake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.


Warning to Escape Babylon’s Judgment
Revelation 18:4Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
“ ‘Come out of her, my people,’
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;

 

[beloved57]

The Wrath of God is coming for unbelievers and for those who say they believe but stay in sin.

That is what the Bible says.

Romans 2:5
But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.

1 Corinthians 3:13 each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

Luke 12:47“The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.

Unbelievers/enemies Christ died for are reconciled to God by His death Rom 5:10

¹⁰ For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[clefty]

You can't get around it,

get around what? your hedge which you added to the Word? watch me...your pharisaical attempts are typical of traditional beliefs...man made

Paul taught the observance of special days and circumcision was worthless.

You might be badly echoing:

Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? You observe days and months and seasons and years! I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.—Galatians 4:8-11 (ESV)

You do realize the Galatians ARE an ancient people with their own customs traditions laws and beliefs...notice how clear Paul is in referencing this time formerly when they did not know Yah and they were enslaved to those which by nature are NOT gods...notice they CAME TO KNOW GOD...if they were keeping the old Law they would have known God...and then Paul asks how they can go back to their pagan NOT GODS ways=weak and worthless elementary principles of the world...you know astrology, idolatry, superstitious rituals, HOLIDAZE, or do you mean by this that Paul was referring to his father’s ancient ways as weak worthless and OF THIS WORLD?

The Torah was none of these...weak worthless or of the world...and if Paul taught so he would be a liar as he claimed he did not teach against the traditions of his fathers...and he would be invalidating his own defense and vow that all this was to be maintained...

Sabbath after Sabbath Paul worshipped as was his custom and he preached and both Jews and Gentiles believed. This AFTER the chapter 15 council of Jerusalem...

Another attempted slander was that Paul was defying Caesar’s decrees preaching there is another king...this just after Paul is recorded as preaching “This Yahushua I am proclaiming to you is the Messiah”...nothing there about laws being changed or Torah being weak and worthless...

He was arrested many times and beat because he preached the truth.

yes added to the former charges of the jews I listed 1) there is a resurrection of One 2) this message and promise to the goyim

now this slander that Paul is preaching there is another king...nothing about Torah being weak and worthless...or changed...that last one of the law being changed was FALSE WITNESS to merely get bad PR for Paul to be arrested but not actually listed in any of the charges...he made a public VOW to show it wasn’t true

He might have obeyed the old law and didn't break it,

thank you...you may be seated

but he still preached the truth.

EXACTLY...as one does NOT exclude the other...and preaching against how he lived would be hypocritical...ironically exactly what the pharisees did...

Haha...you see that? The divine humor of it...Paul a Pharisee living the law AND preaching it...

 

[clefty]

Are you kidding, you called me every foul thing you could think of, and you say it publicly and privately.

It is your loss and to your dismay if I get banned, not mine.

You people verbally abuse me and some others here in the foulest way imaginable.

People like you, lifeisgood, Tambora, John W., Pate, AMR and others here verbally abuse constantly and all the while you have a pack of you giving each other 'thanks' and high five smilies and whatnot, it is just insane and evil.

Buck up buddy...one doesnt attack the INQUISITION...they do what they do...we are to be hated by the world persecuted for His name’s sake...killed even...pray for them...love your enemy

Boo hoo...they called you bad names...when we would have been beaten tortured and burnt at the stake in former times...and in future times of trouble...pray your flight be NOT on the Sabbath as then you would be breaking the Sabbath...fleeing and hiding and anxious and troubled is not resting ya dig?

 

[God's Truth]

Unbelievers/enemies Christ died for are reconciled to God by His death Rom 5:10

¹⁰ For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

The Gentiles were enemies because they didn't get circumcised.

 

[beloved57]

The Gentiles were enemies because they didn't get circumcised.

Evasion and denial of truth!

 

[God's Truth]

get around what? your hedge which you added to the Word? watch me...your pharisaical attempts are typical of traditional beliefs...man made

There is nothing man made about my beliefs. As for you bringing up the Pharisees, I notice that people who try to compare me with the Pharisees are the one who are exactly like them. Tell me, who enforced the special days as you do? It is the Pharisees. Who would not accept Jesus as the Christ? It is the Pharisees.

You might be badly echoing:

Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? You observe days and months and seasons and years! I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.—Galatians 4:8-11 (ESV)

You do realize the Galatians ARE an ancient people with their own customs traditions laws and beliefs...notice how clear Paul is in referencing this time formerly when they did not know Yah and they were enslaved to those which by nature are NOT gods...notice they CAME TO KNOW GOD...if they were keeping the old Law they would have known God...
and then Paul asks how they can go back to their pagan NOT GODS ways=weak and worthless elementary principles of the world...you know astrology, idolatry, superstitious rituals, HOLIDAZE, or do you mean by this that Paul was referring to his father’s ancient ways as weak worthless and OF THIS WORLD?

When the Galatians were pagans, they worshiped special days and seasons…when the Judaizers came, they had talked the Galatians into observing the Jewish special days. Since Jesus has come, it is weak and worthless to observe special days.

The Torah was none of these...weak worthless or of the world...and if Paul taught so he would be a liar as he claimed he did not teach against the traditions of his fathers...and he would be invalidating his own defense and vow that all this was to be maintained...

The special days were about Jesus. Jesus fulfilled the law. We don’t observe special days anymore, we observe Jesus all day every day. That is not against the Old Testament, it is the truth. Think for yourself, what is better, the old covenant or the new? What is better, to observe special days or to observe Jesus Christ?

Sabbath after Sabbath Paul worshipped as was his custom and he preached and both Jews and Gentiles believed. This AFTER the chapter 15 council of Jerusalem...

Paul obeyed Caesar’s laws too, but that does not mean he thought Caesar was right.
The earthly temple was still standing and the Pharisees and teachers of the law had the old law enforced. Do you really think that Jesus wanted all the Jews who believed in him put to death? No. How would the gospel be spread if all would be put to death for breaking the temple laws? Jesus even told Paul to flee because the Jews would not accept his testimony about him.

Another attempted slander was that Paul was defying Caesar’s decrees preaching there is another king...this just after Paul is recorded as preaching “This Yahushua I am proclaiming to you is the Messiah”...nothing there about laws being changed or Torah being weak and worthless...

Think for yourself, which is more, the blood of Jesus Christ, or the blood of lambs?
Which is more, observing special days, or observing Jesus all day every day?
What is more, circumcision of the flesh, or circumcision of the heart?
How about what you eat and drink, or what you have in your heart?

The kingdom of heaven is NOT a matter of eating and drinking.

Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,

yes added to the former charges of the jews I listed 1) there is a resurrection of One 2) this message and promise to the goyim

Are you kidding? The Jews believed in the resurrection.
Paul taught that special days and circumcision was worthless.
Did you forget those?

now this slander that Paul is preaching there is another king...nothing about Torah being weak and worthless...or changed...that last one of the law being changed was FALSE WITNESS to merely get bad PR for Paul to be arrested but not actually listed in any of the charges...he made a public VOW to show it wasn’t true

No. He did the vow to show he does not break anybody’s laws. It doesn’t mean he believed in their law, it means he didn’t break it.

EXACTLY...as one does NOT exclude the other...and preaching against how he lived would be hypocritical...ironically exactly what the pharisees did...
Haha...you see that? The divine humor of it...Paul a Pharisee living the law AND preaching it...

No. Paul did not do what the Pharisees did.
Paul not breaking the law of the temple does not mean he is a hypocrite for saying the observance of special days is worthless. You sound like the Pharisees who tried to prove exactly what you are trying to prove, except that you are trying to make the case that Paul really still preached it, when Paul himself says:

“Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished.”

Haha...you see that? The divine humor of it...Paul a Pharisee living the law AND preaching it...

“Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished.”

 

[God's Truth]

Buck up buddy...one doesnt attack the INQUISITION...they do what they do...we are to be hated by the world persecuted for His name’s sake...killed even...pray for them...love your enemy

I do that, but it doesn't mean I can't stand up for myself and say what they are doing.

Boo hoo...they called you bad names...when we would have been beaten tortured and burnt at the stake in former times...

Don't try to lessen the sin of verbal abuse and their treating me badly.
You can't have it both ways. You can't say we were told this would happen to us, and at the same time say it doesn't matter as much. It matters so much.

and in future times of trouble...pray your flight be NOT on the Sabbath as then you would be breaking the Sabbath...fleeing and hiding and anxious and troubled is not resting ya dig?

I understand what you are saying, I really do, and I appreciate the encouragement, but I do not go for what you are overall trying to do, and that is to defend the act of observing special days. Jesus doesn't say pray it doesn't happen on the Sabbath so that we do not break the Sabbath law.

 

[Robert Pate]

The scripture remains.

"Knowing this the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murders of fathers and mothers, for manslayers, for whore mongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for men stealers, for liars, for perjured persons and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine" 1 Timothy 1:9, 10.

If the above describes your condition them the law is for you.

The reason that the righteous man does not need the law is because he is led by the Holy Spirit and not the law. The Holy Spirit is the Christians guide and teachers, John 16:13 also John 15:26.

 

[God's Truth]

The scripture remains.

"Knowing this the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murders of fathers and mothers, for manslayers, for whore mongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for men stealers, for liars, for perjured persons and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine" 1 Timothy 1:9, 10.

If the above describes your condition them the law is for you.

The reason that the righteous man does not need the law is because he is led by the Holy Spirit and not the law. The Holy Spirit is the Christians guide and teachers, John 16:13 also John 15:26.

The Holy Spirit only comes to those who believed and obeyed Jesus.

John 14:23 Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.