The Trinity

The Trinity


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keypurr

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I will go a step further on this... Jesus calls Himself the "Light of the world". This is a direct binding to a profession that He is the first Life to "exist" within creation.

So many miss that God alone could be the FIRST to exist within creation. By Jesus binding HIMSELF to Gen. 1:3 ... He isn't saying that He was "Created at Creation" ... but that He is the GREAT I AM THAT I AM. Or... to get more to the point... that Jesus is the very SOURCE of ALL LIGHT that sustains LIFE ... Truth and all that is physical and (forgive the word)... Metaphysical... or (Beyond physical comprehension).

All that could be illuminated... only has ONE SOURCE of SPIRITUAL ILLUMINATION. To claim that Jesus is anything other than the I AM is to behold a "false" illumination.

Hence the deep connection between my screen name and Mt. 6:22

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A thinking person, how refreshing.

There had to be the Father before there was a Son.


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Evil.Eye.<(I)>

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A thinking person, how refreshing.

There had to be the Father before there was a Son.


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So God is "incapable" of being Father and Son ONE? Could you kindly rank the importance of your Body... Soul and Spirit?

I'll give it a shot.

1) Spirit - most importanto
2) Soul - Second most importanto
3) Body - third most importanto

Wait... if my "Spirit" returns to God... I'm dead. If my Soul "Dies"... I cease to exist. If my body is killed... my "witness" is no more... on this plane of existence.

Hmmmm... Let me do that again.

1) Spirit, Soul and Body are equally important. Yup :thumb:

Why can't God Have all 3 and be 1?
 

keypurr

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The Trinity

Why must he have come into existence?

The Bible clearly states that He is God, and it clearly states that God has always existed. Why must the Son have been created or come into existence? What verse says that?
The Holy Spirit comes from the Father.[/QUOTE]

And? That doesn't mean he was created either.



You cannot find a verse that says that.



God has no beginning, so for "the beginning" in Genesis 1:1, Moses starts with the first time God created something.



God (the Trinity) created all through God (the Son). Only God created.

Keypurr, I'd like an answer to my question, so that I don't make a straw man argument against you.

You believe that the Son only indwelt flesh, and that the body he indwelt belonged to someone else, correct?[/QUOTE]

If the Bible was clear why do we have so many different churches?

I am trying to prove your point that the Son is God, but I can't.

The only true God is he Father, that comes from John 17:3.

The Son had to came later, the Father was alone until the Son came to be.


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Where does it say that the Holy Spirit is a HE?
I see it more as a force than a he.

The Father had no beginning, he is the only one that had no beginning.

As long as you believe in the Trinity you will not understand what I getting at. Trust in Jesus Christ who told you that ONLY HIS FATHER IS THE TRUE GOD.

I have answered you question before. The spirit Son, logos, was sent to enter the body prepared of IT as told in Heb 10:5. Christ told you that if you believe in God believe ALSO in him.

The Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father.
The Son is the image of the Father, he is the firstborn of all creation/creatures. He had to be firstborn for God created all through him.
 

keypurr

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God is indeed outside of time and simultaneously inside of time as well. Nothing can bind God, but God can "choose" to bind to time.

Are you now arguing that God cannot "choose"?

No, what I am seeking is the true meaning of eternity, when did it begin?

I do not argue with God but I do with man's assumptions of God's words.


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No, what I am seeking is the true meaning of eternity, when did it begin?

I do not argue with God but I do with man's assumptions of God's words.


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Keypurr... I'm going to do something you probably don't expect. I'm going to admit that I like you. ToL would be a darker place without you. I have always enjoyed reading your posts and being a holy terror in return.

You used the word "seeking".

I also sense that you have a highly philosophical mind.

I would like to discuss this with you and see if we can hammer it out with our "finite" reasoning. I'll go metaphysical on the matter and bring the philosophical in too.

I'll start with the question I asked myself... when I was an atheist...

Can a train track that goes on infinitely in both directions... ever bring a "destination" forth... if the beginning of the train track would have to be the initial "starting point"?

And to add to the question... with a question to prime reasoning... does "negative infinity" have a "beginning"?
 
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Eternity is a measurement of time. (All time)
Like Infinity, they are measurements.

Most likely time only pertains to the Universe. We know that there is movement in the Universe. But....what about the Spirit world????


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Let's jump to the big question here... Did God have a beginning?

I'll give my answer first... "No"

Let's jump to the next question... would the "Spirit World" exist without the "Great Spirit"?

P.s. I just saw your "apple Ipad" mark and must confess that you being an Apple guy has brought out the kinder... me. Okay... and the I like you thing too.
 

keypurr

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So God is "incapable" of being Father and Son ONE? Could you kindly rank the importance of your Body... Soul and Spirit?

I'll give it a shot.

1) Spirit - most importanto
2) Soul - Second most importanto
3) Body - third most importanto

Wait... if my "Spirit" returns to God... I'm dead. If my Soul "Dies"... I cease to exist. If my body is killed... my "witness" is no more... on this plane of existence.

Hmmmm... Let me do that again.

1) Spirit, Soul and Body are equally important. Yup :thumb:

Why can't God Have all 3 and be 1?

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

1. Soul
2. Spirit
3. Body

Fear him who can destroy the Soul. All souls are mine say the LORD.


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Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

1. Soul
2. Spirit
3. Body

Fear him who can destroy the Soul. All souls are mine say the LORD.


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Does God have a Soul, Spirit and Body? Remember... we were made in "His IMAGE".
 

keypurr

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Keypurr... I'm going to do something you probably don't expect. I'm going to admit that I like you. ToL would be a darker place without you. I have always enjoyed reading your posts and being a holy terror in return.

You used the word "seeking".

I also sense that you have a highly philosophical mind.

I would like to discuss this with you and see if we can hammer it out with our "finite" reasoning. I'll go metaphysical on the matter and bring the philosophical in too.

I'll start with the question I asked myself... when I was an atheist...

Can a train track that goes infinite directions... both ways ever bring a "destination" forth... if the beginning of the train track would have to be the initial "starting point"?

And to add to the question... with a question to prime reasoning... does "negative infinity" have a "beginning"?

I do not consider myself an educated person just a guy who loves to ask questions and find the answers. EE your not the big bad wolf that some say you are.



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I do not consider myself an educated person just a guy who loves to ask questions and find the answers. EE your not the big bad wolf that some say you are.



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Would you stop saying that! You're going to ruin my rep! :D

But seriously... I had to grapple with these questions when I was an atheist. I will even say something that will seem a little out of place... I can argue the Bible... even from the "Big Bang" perspective. I've done it before and satisfactorily shown a few atheists that they were actually Agnostic.

I would sincerely like to bat the discussion of "eternity", infinity and God... back and forth with you. I don't ever judge intellect by "education".

Now... in comparison to God... yeah... we're all retards... but... for the sake of this discussion... I honestly know that you are an "over thinker". Guess how...! Because I am too. :D

Can a train track that goes on infinitely in both directions... ever bring a "destination" forth... if the beginning of the train track would have to be the initial "starting point"?

And to add to the question... with a question to prime reasoning... does "negative infinity" have a "beginning"?

Let's jump to the big question here... Did God have a beginning?

I'll give my answer first... "No"

Let's jump to the next question... would the "Spirit World" exist without the "Great Spirit"?

P.s. I just saw your "apple Ipad" mark and must confess that you being an Apple guy has brought out the kinder... me. Okay... and the I like you thing too.
 

keypurr

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Let's jump to the big question here... Did God have a beginning?

I'll give my answer first... "No"

Let's jump to the next question... would the "Spirit World" exist without the "Great Spirit"?

P.s. I just saw your "apple Ipad" mark and must confess that you being an Apple guy has brought out the kinder... me. Okay... and the I like you thing too.

What or Who do you consider as God?
I see only the Father as God and he is a spirit.

I have an old IPad, a Samsung tablet, an iPod, and a LG phone that I just got. I also have a cheap laptop with Win 10 and an old HP desk top. I love computers. When I retired from the newspaper it was my job to keep the work stations running and to set the code for the graphic program they were using. All with no formal education. That was 19 years ago.




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Does God have a Soul, Spirit and Body? Remember... we were made in "His IMAGE".

A soul IS a BODY made alive with a spirit.

You won't even consider what I say, so you should not call yourself a debater.

Refer to 1 Thessalonians. We can see that God will sanctify us through and through, our whole spirit (spirit without a body), soul (spirit and body together), and our body (with or without our spirit/dead or alive). God truly sanctifies us through and through.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Study something harder for awhile, then maybe you can debate with more intensity.
 

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The Holy Spirit comes from the Father.

The Holy Spirit was with the Father and the Son for all of eternity past.

God had a spirit son before creation.

God the Son existed with God the Father throughout eternity past.

God has a flesh son that he used to bring us light.

So you're introducing a fourth person? Keypurr Please answer my question below about said person (not Person).

The flesh son did not exist before the worlds were made. The spirit son was brought into existence by his creator.

There is no scripture that says that the Son was created. You can find many scriptures, however, that say the Son existed eternally with the Father.

When a single cell subdivides into two, the first cell created the second.

Not really, but I'll follow along for a moment.

Is God like that? The first cell is the original and the second a copy of?

Actually no, that's not how cell division works. Cell division works by one cell splitting into two. There is NO NEW genetic material, only copies of the old.

However, that's for created organisms.

To use your cell analogy, consider God being one organism, comprised of three cells. Each cell is one Person of the trinity, each one distinct, yet they are one organism, and act as one.

That organism has existed for eternity past, and so have the three Persons within that organism. The cells have never divided, nor will they (or what, do you think God will become schizophrenic?). All three of those Cells, the One God organism,

It would still be considered a creation.

Just thinking of what might be.

Instead of thinking what might be, let's consider what is.

Did the Son indwell someone else's body?
 
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