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Catholics, "We pray to Mary and venerate her, but we do not worship her, in fact, we teach we are only to worship God".
Same thing that you trinitarians do.
Same thing that you trinitarians do.
Regardless of what you or others may claim, the core of Trinitarian belief is this statement from the Athanasian Creed, ".... we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity, neither confounding the persons, nor dividing the substance".
One GOD triune in person, undivided in substance/being/essence/nature.
'Not dividing the substance' means 'not separate'.
You can certainly believe whatever you choose to believe about the nature of GOD, right or wrong.
But don't lie about what Trinitarian teaching actually says, thereby setting up a straw man argument.
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct, and I never said otherwise.
*For to which of the angels did He ever say:“You are My Son,Today I have begotten You”?And again:“I will be to Him a Father,And He shall be to Me a Son”?*But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”*And of the angels He says:“Who makes His angels spiritsAnd His ministers a flame of fire.”*But to the Son He says:“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. - Hebrews 1:5-8 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews1:5-8&version=NKJVThe Father IS SPIRIT. The Son IS SPIRIT.
What don't you see about that?
THREE replies to the SAME POST.
You need help.
You do need help. You are a raving fanatic that cannot handle being wrong about many things.How would that ever make someone mentally crazy because they reply with more than one point to the same question?
You need to look deep into your heart to figure out why you want to put a mentally ill jacket on someone for responding with three main points to one question.
Not only that, look at your own life and tell me that no one can put you down for anything.
How would you like to be ostracized as having something wrong with you? Do you really think you are so cool that no one can say that to you about anything?
*For to which of the angels did He ever say:“You are My Son,Today I have begotten You”?And again:“I will be to Him a Father,And He shall be to Me a Son”?*But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”*And of the angels He says:“Who makes His angels spiritsAnd His ministers a flame of fire.”*But to the Son He says:“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. - Hebrews 1:5-8 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews1:5-8&version=NKJV
*Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.*You love righteousness and hate wickedness;Therefore God, Your God, has anointed YouWith the oil of gladness more than Your companions. - Psalm 45:6-7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm45:6-7&version=NKJV
Both passages are talking about Jesus.
You do need help. You are a raving fanatic that cannot handle being wrong about many things.
You could have EASILY addressed all three "points" in a SINGLE post. But you did not.
No, I do not think that I am perfect. I have a wife that makes sure that I know that I am not.
Don't lie about what I believe.
The Father IS SPIRIT. The Son IS SPIRIT.
What don't you see about that?
I know you say that. HOWEVER, they are NOT DISTINCT/DIFFERENT.
The trinity doctrine says that the Holy Spirit is God's and Jesus' Spirit, as if they God HIMSELF is NOT a Spirit---as if Jesus himself is NOT a Spirit.
My point, GT, is that God the Father calls the Son "God" in both passages. Two people. Yet both are God. (The Holy Ghost is also God, but we'll leave that alone for a moment.)No kidding JudgeWrongly. What is your point?
Christians know Who Jesus is, and so we know what 1st Corinthians 15:3 (KJV) means in a way that without which GT entirely misses the radiant beam of pure light emanating continually from that verse, in every language in which it is translated (including in "the Greek:" Παρέδωκα γὰρ ὑμῖν ἐν πρώτοις, ὃ καὶ παρέλαβον, ὅτι χριστὸς ἀπέθανεν ὑπὲρ τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν ἡμῶν κατὰ τὰς γραφάς·). But seeing its radiance requires knowing Who God is, the Most Holy and Most Blessed and Undivided Trinity. GT rejects the Trinity and in so doing cannot comprehend 1st Corinthians 15:3 (KJV). Where the Church sees brilliant radiance shining forth, GT sees an inconsequential factoid.. . . I do not think that I am perfect.
*For to which of the angels did He ever say:“You are My Son,Today I have begotten You”?And again:“I will be to Him a Father,And He shall be to Me a Son”?*But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”*And of the angels He says:“Who makes His angels spiritsAnd His ministers a flame of fire.”*But to the Son He says:“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. - Hebrews 1:5-8 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews1:5-8&version=NKJV
*Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.*You love righteousness and hate wickedness;Therefore God, Your God, has anointed YouWith the oil of gladness more than Your companions. - Psalm 45:6-7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm45:6-7&version=NKJV
Both passages are talking about Jesus.
No these verses are not speaking of Jesus. They speak of the logos. The logos is not Jesus, the logos was IN Jesus. The logos is a spirit.
Keypurr, is anyone other than God worthy of worship?
God, the Father is the only true God should we worshipped. God said also to honor snd worship his son, Christ as Lord of all creation. But not as God himself. In the OT Kings were worshipped.
Jesus Christ is never considered as the most high. The logos is firstborn of all creation/creatures. The logos spoke and obeyed his creator. The logos is the spirit son of the most high who took the form of man to make God known to us. He is the mediator between God and mankind. He is our high priest and he bends his knee to his Father. And he taught us to do the same.
No these verses are not speaking of Jesus. They speak of the logos. The logos is not Jesus, the logos was IN Jesus. The logos is a spirit.