The Trinity

The Trinity


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Catholics, "We pray to Mary and venerate her, but we do not worship her, in fact, we teach we are only to worship God".

Same thing that you trinitarians do.
 

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Regardless of what you or others may claim, the core of Trinitarian belief is this statement from the Athanasian Creed, ".... we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity, neither confounding the persons, nor dividing the substance".

One GOD triune in person, undivided in substance/being/essence/nature.

'Not dividing the substance' means 'not separate'.

You can certainly believe whatever you choose to believe about the nature of GOD, right or wrong.
But don't lie about what Trinitarian teaching actually says, thereby setting up a straw man argument.

Don't lie about what I believe.

The Father IS SPIRIT. The Son IS SPIRIT.

What don't you see about that?
 

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The Father IS SPIRIT. The Son IS SPIRIT.

What don't you see about that?
*For to which of the angels did He ever say:“You are My Son,Today I have begotten You”?And again:“I will be to Him a Father,And He shall be to Me a Son”?*But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”*And of the angels He says:“Who makes His angels spiritsAnd His ministers a flame of fire.”*But to the Son He says:“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. - Hebrews 1:5-8 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews1:5-8&version=NKJV

*Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.*You love righteousness and hate wickedness;Therefore God, Your God, has anointed YouWith the oil of gladness more than Your companions. - Psalm 45:6-7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm45:6-7&version=NKJV

Both passages are talking about Jesus.
 

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How would that ever make someone mentally crazy because they reply with more than one point to the same question?

You need to look deep into your heart to figure out why you want to put a mentally ill jacket on someone for responding with three main points to one question.

Not only that, look at your own life and tell me that no one can put you down for anything.

How would you like to be ostracized as having something wrong with you? Do you really think you are so cool that no one can say that to you about anything?
 

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How would that ever make someone mentally crazy because they reply with more than one point to the same question?

You need to look deep into your heart to figure out why you want to put a mentally ill jacket on someone for responding with three main points to one question.

Not only that, look at your own life and tell me that no one can put you down for anything.

How would you like to be ostracized as having something wrong with you? Do you really think you are so cool that no one can say that to you about anything?
You do need help. You are a raving fanatic that cannot handle being wrong about many things.

You could have EASILY addressed all three "points" in a SINGLE post. But you did not.

No, I do not think that I am perfect. I have a wife that makes sure that I know that I am not.
 

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*For to which of the angels did He ever say:“You are My Son,Today I have begotten You”?And again:“I will be to Him a Father,And He shall be to Me a Son”?*But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”*And of the angels He says:“Who makes His angels spiritsAnd His ministers a flame of fire.”*But to the Son He says:“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. - Hebrews 1:5-8 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews1:5-8&version=NKJV

*Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.*You love righteousness and hate wickedness;Therefore God, Your God, has anointed YouWith the oil of gladness more than Your companions. - Psalm 45:6-7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm45:6-7&version=NKJV

Both passages are talking about Jesus.

No kidding JudgeWrongly. What is your point?
 

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You do need help. You are a raving fanatic that cannot handle being wrong about many things.

You could have EASILY addressed all three "points" in a SINGLE post. But you did not.

No, I do not think that I am perfect. I have a wife that makes sure that I know that I am not.

You need help.
 

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Don't lie about what I believe.

The Father IS SPIRIT. The Son IS SPIRIT.

What don't you see about that?

All of your recent posts are just subterfuge to avoid admitting that you were wrong in saying that Trinitarian Doctrine teaches that the three persons in one essence are separate.

And you in the past have asked why I don't continue to respond to your posts.

This is the reason.

It goes nowhere!

It goes 'round and 'round and 'round, and all it would have taken is for you to get honest and say, "Okay, I see that now. Let's move on".
 

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The trinity doctrine says that the Holy Spirit is God's and Jesus' Spirit, as if they God HIMSELF is NOT a Spirit---as if Jesus himself is NOT a Spirit.

2 points: 1) The Lord Jesus Christ talks about the Holy Spirit as "Him" in a conversation already about Himself and His Father. You don't get to correct Him on this. :nono: Thanks for applying, we don't want you correcting anything that The Lord Jesus says either for us, or in front of us. No and thank you.
2) "Tri-" then/and "-une" Of course Spirit is indivisible "-Une" That's 'why' we are "Tri-une." Modalists "-une" are half right, half wrong.
Tri or Di are wrong on the other half. ONLY Tri-une theology embraces all of scripture.

A third point would be 3) Listen to what triune/Trinitarians are trying to tell you. You can't teach us your half, we ALREADY agree with your half and reject the rest. It means, we know both your and the Unit-arian views, and arrogantly, better than either of you do, because you don't get it.
 

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No kidding JudgeWrongly. What is your point?
My point, GT, is that God the Father calls the Son "God" in both passages. Two people. Yet both are God. (The Holy Ghost is also God, but we'll leave that alone for a moment.)

Why, GT, would God the Father call His Son "God" if the Son is not a different Person than the Father?
 

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. . . I do not think that I am perfect.
Christians know Who Jesus is, and so we know what 1st Corinthians 15:3 (KJV) means in a way that without which GT entirely misses the radiant beam of pure light emanating continually from that verse, in every language in which it is translated (including in "the Greek:" Παρέδωκα γὰρ ὑμῖν ἐν πρώτοις, ὃ καὶ παρέλαβον, ὅτι χριστὸς ἀπέθανεν ὑπὲρ τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν ἡμῶν κατὰ τὰς γραφάς·). But seeing its radiance requires knowing Who God is, the Most Holy and Most Blessed and Undivided Trinity. GT rejects the Trinity and in so doing cannot comprehend 1st Corinthians 15:3 (KJV). Where the Church sees brilliant radiance shining forth, GT sees an inconsequential factoid.

Obey! Obey! Obey! Obey! Obey! Obey!
 

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*For to which of the angels did He ever say:“You are My Son,Today I have begotten You”?And again:“I will be to Him a Father,And He shall be to Me a Son”?*But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”*And of the angels He says:“Who makes His angels spiritsAnd His ministers a flame of fire.”*But to the Son He says:“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. - Hebrews 1:5-8 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews1:5-8&version=NKJV

*Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.*You love righteousness and hate wickedness;Therefore God, Your God, has anointed YouWith the oil of gladness more than Your companions. - Psalm 45:6-7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm45:6-7&version=NKJV

Both passages are talking about Jesus.

No these verses are not speaking of Jesus. They speak of the logos. The logos is not Jesus, the logos was IN Jesus. The logos is a spirit.
 

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No these verses are not speaking of Jesus. They speak of the logos. The logos is not Jesus, the logos was IN Jesus. The logos is a spirit.

Keypurr, is anyone other than God worthy of worship?
 
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keypurr

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Keypurr, is anyone other than God worthy of worship?

God, the Father is the only true God should we worshipped.
God said also to honor snd worship his son, Christ as Lord of all creation. But not as God himself. In the OT Kings were worshipped.

Jesus Christ is never considered as the most high. The logos is firstborn of all creation/creatures. The logos spoke and obeyed his creator. The logos is the spirit son of the most high who took the form of man to make God known to us. He is the mediator between God and mankind. He is our high priest and he bends his knee to his Father. And he taught us to do the same.


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God, the Father is the only true God should we worshipped. God said also to honor snd worship his son, Christ as Lord of all creation. But not as God himself. In the OT Kings were worshipped.

Keypurr, I asked if God alone is to be worshipped. Is God alone to be worshipped? or are there other beings/entities besides God that we should worship?

Jesus Christ is never considered as the most high. The logos is firstborn of all creation/creatures. The logos spoke and obeyed his creator. The logos is the spirit son of the most high who took the form of man to make God known to us. He is the mediator between God and mankind. He is our high priest and he bends his knee to his Father. And he taught us to do the same.

I will reply to this once you have answered my above question.
 
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