The Trinity

[God's Truth]

Knowing EE, I know he has hidden agenda.

I am thinking that too now.

 

[God's Truth]

No, it doesn't, which is evidence that you continually argue against things you don't understand.

The trinity doctrine says the three ARE DISTINCT. Distinct means different. The trinity doctrine says they are not the same.

Give a link for the definition and a few sentences that say they are not distinct/different.

 

[God's Truth]

EE's agenda is to persuade others of the truth....for their good.

EE says he does not go by the trinity doctrine.

 

[God's Truth]

This was the first major hurtle and you aced it! If you would be so willing... could you compliment this with scripture that supports it? I only ask this because you are excellent at doing so.

All Respect and Grace in Him,

- EE

What exactly do you want a scripture saying? I have an idea but I want to make sure we are still in mutual understanding.

 

[God's Truth]

Like the huge number of straw-man beaters around here.

Why are you denying that the trinity doctrine says they are different? You go against me for saying they are not different.

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

What exactly do you want a scripture saying? I have an idea but I want to make sure we are still in mutual understanding.

It would be verses that show the relationship between the Father and the Son in the gospels... as in verses where the Son addresses the Father and the Father addresses the Son.

I hope this clearifies... if it doesn't, I'll gladly expound.

 

[steko]

The trinitarian doctrine says that the three are distinct. Distinct means different. The trinitarian doctrine also says they are separate.

The trinity doctrine says the three ARE DISTINCT. Distinct means different. The trinity doctrine says they are not the same.

Give a link for the definition and a few sentences that say they are not distinct/different.

You said separate which is what we disagreed with.
We agreed that Trinitarian teaching says they are distinct ....which they are.

Distinct/different in person, same in being/essence/nature.
Same GOD with three persons within the one GOD.

 

[steko]

The trinitarian doctrine says that the three are distinct. Distinct means different. The trinitarian doctrine also says they are separate.

EE says he does not go by the trinity doctrine.

It's likely that there is no one with which I agree on everything.

EE says a whole lot that I believe is correct.

 

[Right Divider]

Why are you denying that the trinity doctrine says they are different? You go against me for saying they are not different.

They are ONE, they are NOT the "same".

It is YOU that denies what the Bible teaches.

 

[God's Truth]

It would be verses that show the relationship between the Father and the Son in the gospels... as in verses where the Son addresses the Father and the Father addresses the Son.

I hope this clearifies... if it doesn't, I'll gladly expound.

I believe that they are the same, so I couldn't give you a scripture showing they are not the same.

 

[God's Truth]

You said separate which is what we disagreed with.
We agreed that Trinitarian teaching says they are distinct ....which they are.

Distinct/different in person, same in being/essence/nature.
Same GOD with three persons within the one GOD.

Separate meaning they are not the same. As a side note, some people have explained this difference as also being separate and whether you want to admit it or not, the trinity doctrine implies that they are separate while denying it. Just because you feel that they always work together that does not mean they are not separate according to what the doctrine implies. It is like trying to explain to a Catholic that they bow to statues and it is a wrong thing to do, they will argue they are not bowing to the statues but only to God whom the statue represents. Again, denial shows blindness it does not prove truth.

 

[God's Truth]

They are ONE, they are NOT the "same".

It is YOU that denies what the Bible teaches.

Just like you fail to see that the trinity doctrine makes three separate Gods, I will prove with scripture that there is only God revealing Himself to us in three different modes.

 

[God's Truth]

They are ONE, they are NOT the "same".

It is YOU that denies what the Bible teaches.

The trinity doctrine says there are three, mind you that there are three, but the trinity doctrine says the Holy Spirit is their Spirit of both of them. Jesus IS SPIRIT, God the Father IS Spirit. The trinity doctrine makes THREE DIFFERENT/DISTINCT Spirits, or they straight out deny that God is Spirit and Jesus is Spirit! Which is it? What do you want to claim? I can prove you wrong about both those things your trinity doctrine implies.

 

[Right Divider]

Just like you fail to see that the trinity doctrine makes three separate Gods, I will prove with scripture that there is only God revealing Himself to us in three different modes.

You are a modalist heretic.

 

[Right Divider]

The trinity doctrine says there are three, mind you that there are three, but the trinity doctrine says the Holy Spirit is their Spirit of both of them. Jesus IS SPIRIT, God the Father IS Spirit. The trinity doctrine makes THREE DIFFERENT/DISTINCT Spirits, or they straight out deny that God is Spirit and Jesus is Spirit! Which is it? What do you want to claim? I can prove you wrong about both those things your trinity doctrine implies.

ONCE AGAIN, you attack a STRAW-MAN. That is NOT what the trinity doctrine teaches!

 

[steko]

Separate meaning they are not the same. As a side note, some people have explained this difference as also being separate and whether you want to admit it or not, the trinity doctrine implies that they are separate while denying it. Just because you feel that they always work together that does not mean they are not separate according to what the doctrine implies. It is like trying to explain to a Catholic that they bow to statues and it is a wrong thing to do, they will argue they are not bowing to the statues but only to God whom the statue represents. Again, denial shows blindness it does not prove truth.

Regardless of what you or others may claim, the core of Trinitarian belief is this statement from the Athanasian Creed, ".... we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity, neither confounding the persons, nor dividing the substance".

One GOD triune in person, undivided in substance/being/essence/nature.

'Not dividing the substance' means 'not separate'.

You can certainly believe whatever you choose to believe about the nature of GOD, right or wrong.
But don't lie about what Trinitarian teaching actually says, thereby setting up a straw man argument.

 

[Nihilo]

I am glad that you do not believe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are separate and distinct/different. However, trinitarians say that they are. I will look for a link for you later.

The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct, and I never said otherwise.

 

[Right Divider]

The trinity doctrine says that the Holy Spirit is God's and Jesus' Spirit, as if they God HIMSELF is NOT a Spirit---as if Jesus himself is NOT a Spirit.

THREE replies to the SAME POST.

You need help.

 

[God's Truth]

You are a modalist heretic.

A modalist says the Father and the Son do NOT exist at the same time---they say they exist CONSECUTIVELY.

I do NOT believe that.

I believe they exist at the same time.

So you want to keep calling me a modalist, even though I show you how I differ from them, it merely shows that you want to act ignorant and name call.

 

[God's Truth]

ONCE AGAIN, you attack a STRAW-MAN. That is NOT what the trinity doctrine teaches!

The straw man is you saying 'straw man'.

It might NOT be what the trinitarian doctrine SAYS they teach, but it is definitely what they teach.

Just like the Catholics who say they do not worship Mary. They do not see that what they do IS worship and denying it MEANS NOTHING.