The Trinity

The Trinity


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clefty

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Why do you think it's a metaphor?

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified itby His angel to His servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near."




What does it stand for if it is a metaphor? What does it represent, given the context of what's going on?
end times that are to happen shortly...

Quite a broad question...

Do you think John was lying when he said that God will "wipe away all our tears"?
no of course not...but I don't expect Him to use Kleenex on every tear...



Context?

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Not sure what you are leading here...
 

clefty

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We die a physical death but spirits do not die.


"and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it."

It returns to the One Who gave it...not in a float around consciously aware to look down and see you post silliness on TOL all the time...
 

Bright Raven

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He is the perfect, stainless Lamb of God, the human sacrifice for mankind. By man sin came into the world and by man sin will be overcome.

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You say He is perfect. No mere man is perfect and sinless.

Romans 3:23 King James Version (KJV)

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
 

clefty

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As I told you before, start a thread on it and then give me the link.

Really doesn't need a link...this is on the trinity and it is good to keep all these spirits separated and catagorized appropriately...

So where does my spirit go if not to Him when I die? He gives the spirit and takes them back...something to remember when thinking about the Holy Spirit...but not the ones that go into Ham
 

clefty

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The blood of a stainless Lamb was required to atone for the sins of the people in the OT.

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But surely you don't think it was the actual blood itself that had the power...these sacrifices were sign and symbols and not to be ascribed true power...that is idolatry...

That idea makes them lock up the bread of the host so others don't steal it for "nefarious" reasons...lol

As symbolic it was however very real by its testimony of one's faith and obedience to do that which was expected in by the symbolic act...

We can't wash away sin...or place it on a goat...some uncleanliness was made clean by the sun going down...

Circumcision NEVER saved...nor did baptism but as symbols they were provided for believers to show and testify and do...to worship as they were created to do...obedience brings its own comfort...and joy...He completes it

By obeying these rituals outlined by Him as HIS we are given assurance...such grace...

But again it is not the actual literal blood...just like it is not the literal temple...or literal ground that is holy...flesh profits NOTHING...but the words He speaks are Spirit...LIFE

Can't wait to hear Him say them Himself instead of just reading them...
 

keypurr

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But surely you don't think it was the actual blood itself that had the power...these sacrifices were sign and symbols and not to be ascribed true power...that is idolatry...

That idea makes them lock up the bread of the host so others don't steal it for "nefarious" reasons...lol

As symbolic it was however very real by its testimony of one's faith and obedience to do that which was expected in by the symbolic act...

We can't wash away sin...or place it on a goat...some uncleanliness was made clean by the sun going down...

Circumcision NEVER saved...nor did baptism but as symbols they were provided for believers to show and testify and do...to worship as they were created to do...obedience brings its own comfort...and joy...He completes it

By obeying these rituals outlined by Him as HIS we are given assurance...such grace...

But again it is not the actual literal blood...just like it is not the literal temple...or literal ground that is holy...flesh profits NOTHING...but the words He speaks are Spirit...LIFE

Can't wait to hear Him say them Himself instead of just reading them...
It's all symbolic my friend. That is what religion is.

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clefty

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It's all symbolic my friend. That is what religion is.

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Ok good...but not to some of these people up in here...

To some of them they ascribe power to things no longer spirit filled...by magic or mystery...and then deny it to that which remains to sanctify us...

Nothing new I guess...but you had me worried there at the blood thingy...lots of people get literal over flesh and blood...lineage temple and land
 

keypurr

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Ok good...but not to some of these people up in here...

To some of them they ascribe power to things no longer spirit filled...by magic or mystery...and then deny it to that which remains to sanctify us...

Nothing new I guess...but you had me worried there at the blood thingy...lots of people get literal over flesh and blood...lineage temple and land
Not to worry, I got good backup. CHRIST.

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drbrumley

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If Jesus is the first born of God, which He is, but we have obviously different definitions of firstborn, why did God the Father say this,

And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Any takers?
 

keypurr

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If Jesus is the first born of God, which He is, but we have obviously different definitions of firstborn, why did God the Father say this,



Any takers?
Consider that Jesus was not the first born. The scriptures speak of a son before the world was made. That would put into question what is really implied by firstborn.

God's first creation was his spirit son, the express image. Should we consider that as firstborn?

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clefty

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If Jesus is the first born of God, which He is, but we have obviously different definitions of firstborn, why did God the Father say this,



Any takers?

First borns were very important to Egypt's Pharaohs the message had to be made clear Israel was important to Yah and it was made quite clear when He took the Pharaoh's first born for not allowing Israel to leave...

This Pharoah had forgotten all about who Jacob and Joseph were...

Jacob if you recall was reborn Israel after a spiritual event and thus was re born first...as no other man had been...that was indeed a blessing no?
 
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