God is Spirit.
That means God the FATHER is Spirit.
I don't think anyone here has denied that the Father is Spirit, or that the Holy Spirit is spirit, or that Jesus was spirit, but is now flesh.
What?! Inside Jesus’ body was his Spirit and His Spirit is God the Father’s.
Jesus' body was His and part of Him, was it not? Be careful, you're starting to sound like Keypurr.
Colossians says that "
in Him was the fullness of the Godhead bodily (corporeally or physically)",
NOT "in His body was the fullness..."
That makes three different Gods,
No, GT, it does not, no matter how many times you repeat that mantra.
and it makes it no matter if you deny it or not. It is the same kind of denial a Catholic gives when they call their brothers ‘father’ and when they bow to statues.
Now, I don't know too much of Catholicism (I'm not a Catholic), but that sounds like a non sequitur argument to me, or at the very least, a red herring.
Your doctrine does make four Gods.
It does not. It describes ONE God, who exists as THREE Persons. We keep telling you that there is ONE GOD, why do you keep saying we say there are three?
Tell me where Jesus’ Man spirit is then.
Wut?
Jesus (who is God) became a man, but kept his divine nature. When He was crucified, He kept His human nature. He didn't gain a spirit when he became a man, nor did he lose one when he was killed.
(Let's not be petty, now.)
keeps telling me I deny God coming as a Man when I say he has the same Spirit as God the Father living in him.
God did come as a man. God the Son came as a man, the Man, Christ Jesus.
God the Father did not come as a man, God the Son did. The Son is not the Father.
If Jesus had another spirit living in him, then where is that spirit now?
That assumes that there was, in fact, another spirit living in Him. As far as I'm aware, and I could be wrong, no one here has said Jesus had another spirit living in Him.
God comes to us three ways, as Himself invisible, Himself with a body, and as Himself surrounding us everywhere and in His saved.
Three ways? That's modalism, or something akin to it.
God is not two different Persons with another entity acting as a Spirit for both other Persons.
God is not two Persons, He is three Persons. The Father is a Person, the Son is a person, and the Holy Spirit is a Person.
I know what you two were trying to say, and it was not scripture.
No, you clearly don't know what I was trying to say, because you didn't respond as such.
God is "one" like a husband and wife are "one." Focus on the "oneness" bit, not the "husband and wife" bit.
A husband and wife are two in one. Two distinct persons, one flesh.
God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are three in one. Three distinct Persons, one Spirit.
When do you think Abraham become righteous? The Bible says WHEN HE OBEYED.
Where in Genesis does it say Abraham became righteous because he obeyed?
We are talking about the English word ‘one’. Do you really think you can escape the truth by claiming a different meaning for the CHOSEN ENGLISH WORD?
The Bible wasn't written in English, doofus.
It was translated into English many years after it was written. Therefore it is important to understand the meaning of the original word used. Yes, 'ehad' means one, but it does not mean one of singularity, like you claim. 'Ehad' means one of plurality. If the word we translate as "one" meant "one of singularity," then the authors of the books of the Old Testament would have used 'yachad' or 'bad.' But they didn't, because they meant "one of plurality."
Wait a minute, are you saying that you're part of an "English Bible only" group, like the "King James only" group? If so, it would be a significant reason why you're having issues understanding what is extremely clear.
God SAYS there is NO ONE LIKE HIM AND NO ONE besides Him.
And Trinitarians agree with that statement. It's not a problem for our beliefs.
YOU say there is another Person besides Him!!!
No, we don't. We say, "There is one God, and there is no one beside Him. He exists as a plurality in three distinct Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."
Are you kidding? God KNOWS when a single bird dies.
"Knowing" something is happening and "allowing" or "permitting" something to happen are two TOTALLY different things.
God allows them to do evil.
So people do evil with God's permission? Is that what you're saying? Does that not make God accountable for evildoing?
You have just exposed yourself to be a bully childish person.
GT, this is you: "I know you are, but what am I?"
Stop it. It's annoying and does not further the discussion.
Maybe you should explain it to your sister glorydazed
Glorydaz
Fixed that for you.
because she thinks I am doing wrong by quoting God in the old testament to teach the Catholics not to bow to statues. She said Paul gave us the instructions that we can bow to anything and it now be okay understand his special gospel.
Bowing to any other god other than the one true God of the Bible is idol worship and a sin.
I want you to answer this so much:
Tell me when in the Bible that Abraham is chosen by God and what he did to show that he was righteous.
What Abraham (or rather, Abram) did to show that he was righteous?
Or what God did to show that Abraham/Abram was righteous?
God also tested Abraham’s faith more by having him sacrifice his son.
And?
What? Are you really that lost?
It is a theoretical question, GT. Please, just answer it and I will explain my point.
Tell me what part of there is no one beside Me or like Me that you don't get?
We totally get it. In fact, we trinitarians believe it too.
Of course not by Paul.
I can hardly believe that you think Paul would give another gospel after he warns everyone that even if he or an angel gave another gospel may they be accursed. Are you kidding me? According to you he gave another gospel!
He gave a different gospel than the one given by Christ while He was on the earth. Paul had a different gospel revealed to him by Christ on the road to Damascus.
Correct (half-sister). But she was also his wife, which part he left out (twice, as a matter of fact).
His name was Abram at the time.
Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going.
So he was justified by faith? Was his obedience a work of the flesh for justification?
That was BEFORE CIRCUMCISION.
You almost have it, GT. Abram (later Abraham) was justified by faith BEFORE any works of the law.
Those scriptures prove I am right, for I have been telling you for a long time now that the WORKS THAT DON'T save anymore are the ceremonial/purification works like CIRCUMCISION. Read the scriptures you gave, Paul even SAYS it is before CIRCUMCISION that Abraham was counted as righteous.
You're getting closer GT.
I agree with Paul. Abraham was justified before obeying any law.
How does that make sense to you to say Paul says believe me and my different gospel than the one the Lord gave, but don't ever believe me if I come up with yet another one.
That is outrageous.
The different Gospel than the one given to the 12 Apostles which Paul calls "my gospel" several times throughout the New Testament was given to Him by Jesus Christ. Paul says:
But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it! - 2 Corinthians 11:3-4
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Corinthians11:3-4&version=NKJV
I am telling you what the Bible says and you don't know the scriptures enough.
Genesis 20:11 Abraham said, "Because I thought, surely there is no fear of God in this place, and they will kill me because of my wife. 12 "Besides, she actually is my sister, the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother, and she became my wife; 13 and it came about, when God caused me to wander from my father's house, that I said to her, 'This is the kindness which you will show to me: everywhere we go, say of me, "He is my brother."'"…
Paul was explaining that if you try to JUSTIFY yourself before God by let's say getting circumcised---then you are cursed and have to obey the WHOLE LAW.
What about if you try to justify yourself by obeying the law, "do not murder?"
What don't you get that we have to obey but we do NOT JUSTIFY ourselves anymore with the ceremonial works.
Correction, "with any works."
You should be very careful about judging a chosen of God's.
Wut?
Look what happened when someone judged Moses and David.
What does that have to do with anything?
As for you keep ignoring the scriptures that show faith alone is dead and Abraham had faith with obedience...so sad that there is such a hold on you to not see it.
Abraham was justified before any law was required for justification. Faith alone is clearly not dead, or the Bible would not have called Abram righteous prior to his circumcision.
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The following quotes are for context to my reply below.
Jesus doesn't command everyone to give everything away.
You don't obey anything Jesus says because you didn't want to give everything away?
Is that why you preach we are not to obey what Jesus says when he walked the earth?
Most people are not rich young rulers standing before Jesus in the flesh.
Jesus doesn't tell everyone to give everything away. Who would they give to then? What would the person to whom one is giving it do? You can't see that you speak from ignorance.
In response to the above, I posted this:
Do you think that God has different standards for rich young rulers than He does for general believers?
If so, please show where these different standards are in the Bible and explain them.
To which GT replied:
I can hardly believe that you don't know.
And on it goes...:
GT, is your IQ so low that you can't even comprehend the concept of someone asking a question not to discover the answer but because they know the answer and want to hear what someone else's answer is?
I'm not asking because I don't know, I am asking because I want to know your answer.
So here is my question again, please answer it:
Do you think that God has different standards for rich young rulers than He does for general believers?
If so, please show where these different standards are in the Bible and explain them.
You are the one with the low IQ.
First of all, GT, I'm getting sick of your "I know you are but what am I routine. Please stop.
Second, I did not say you had a low IQ, I asked if you did because I had a hard time believing that you could say such a stupid thing.
So please, stop with the "I know you are but what am I" crap.
What I said proves that I do know there are differences
My question was "
Does God have different standards [of righteousness] for different people," GT. Can you not read?
My follow-up request, if you had answered "Yes, God has different standards for different people," was, "please show where these different standards are in the Bible and explain them."
and you need to show you know by posting them.
Stop deflecting the discussion away from yourself. I asked
you, GT, a simple and direct question. Why are you trying to avoid it?
If you don't think there are differences then just ask me to explain the truth to you and admit you don't know.
Is that not what I asked you to do above?
Does this ring a bell: "Does God have different standards? If so, what are they and explain them."
You are wrong. I just don't have to answer people according to their folly.
So you believe it's folly to ask you, GT, what you, GT, believe?
If you want something from me how about be respectful and not insulting?
How was I not respectful in my above questions?
