The Trinity

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

No it sure doesn't.

Gnosis does not mean "wisdom" either. Gnosis is "knowledge."

Two different words and definitions.

Knowledge = Greek, "gnosis"

Wisdom = Greek, "sophia"

Yup... busted, you are.

Implied... edit to come.

And now "Wisdom Saves"... according to you? And this matches up with your assertion that we have zero part in our acceptance of Jesus... how?

And... yes... you implied it with your response. You can deny it... but... it's all there.

:doh:

You'll come up with an excuse... but you added wisdom to the discussion... and might I add... for no other reason than to defend your "own"... "wisdom".

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Now... the Holy Spirit is God's Soul... The Son is God's Body... The Father is the PURE... undying... infinite BEING of God.

God's Body, Soul and Spirit can CLEARLY function independent of One Another. God is Awesome that way. This is how Jesus Died... but Creation went on!

:kookoo:

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus is God!

That is what I told you.

Jesus is the Father
Jesus is the Son
Jesus is the Holy Spirit

I have also told you that.

Now... the Holy Spirit is God's Soul...

No scripture says that.

A soul is a BODY made alive by the spirit.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God without the body.

The Son is God's Body...

I have told you that many times.

The Father is the PURE... undying... infinite BEING of God.

The Father IS GOD.

God's Body, Soul and Spirit can CLEARLY function independent of One Another. God is Awesome that way. This is how Jesus Died... but Creation went on!

I know that, it is what I explain here for years.

Except your false understanding of what a soul is.

How is this possible? God is Awesome and infinite.

You can't deny that the Bible teaches this!

What is wrong with you? Prove I have not been teaching that Jesus is God the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Thus... God is TriUne!

You do not need to make up words, use what the Bible says.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

You can say that (Isaiah 9:6) Jesus is also the Father. But... the Son and Father are legitimately unique to one another.

They are EXACTLY the SAME. They do the SAME WORK. They say the SAME THING. They even look the same.

You can see "The Son"... and when you do... "You've seen the Father"... but you can't see "the Father". The only one Who has seen the Father... is the very One that REVEALS the Father!

God the Father is Spirit and is invisible but He has been seen.

Father, Son, Holy Spirit... All Scriptural... All Deuteronomy 6:4...

To call them identical is to deny that the Body is distinct from the Spirit and so forth.

You are now contradicting yourself, for you said they are the same and now you say they are different. Jesus' body and blood IS GOD the Father's body and blood.

You are "in the Son"... and "The Son is in the Father"... but you ain't "In the Father".

I am in the Father.

Jesus is in the Father, the Father is in Jesus---and I am in Jesus.

 

[God's Truth]

Too many people attempt to explain the Trinity without wisdom. (Including EE.)

These would do better to not post on the subject at all, for it should be a most holy contemplation, privately done in a prayer closet, with much fear and trembling, and never casually speculated upon.

You chose the false teaching of mere men who sat around and discussed it, so don't be a hypocrite when we discuss it.

 

[Nang]

but you added wisdom to the discussion...

I said too many post about The Trinity of God without wisdom . . .

You have invented all the rest, I suppose, to deflect from your speculative, unscriptural, and unwise post on the holy subject.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

You are "in the Son"... and "The Son is in the Father"... but you ain't "In the Father".

Now this taken out of the koo-koo part of yer post is interestin'. :think:

 

[God's Truth]

To all who preach the trinity doctrine, is that Jesus speaking in the Old Testament or not?

 

[Nang]

To all who preach the trinity doctrine, is that Jesus speaking in the Old Testament or not?

Jesus, the Son of Man was not born yet.

Moses, the psalmists, and the prophets of the OT all spoke of Him . . .

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

Now this taken out of the koo-koo part of yer post is interestin'. :think:

You are only mocking me because you Misunderstand the "Angel of YHWH" phrasing.

Colossians 2:18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,​

The former verse is incompatible with this...

Philippians 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.​

I mock, rib and employ sarcasm... but the Three are One... Uni... Model... Une... yet the Model, Uni, Une... IS THREE as scripture states emphatically in many passages and reference.

Father
Son
Holy Spirit

You're the Kook... trying to pound square uni pegs into Tri Holes.

:doh:

- EE

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus, the Son of Man was not born yet.

Moses, the psalmists, and the prophets of the OT all spoke of Him . . .

No, God I Am spoke in the Old Testament and that is Jesus.

Jesus says that he is the I Am.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

You are only mocking me because you Misunderstand the "Angel of YHWH" phrasing.

Colossians 2:18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,​

The former verse is incompatible with this...

Philippians 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.​

I mock, rib and employ sarcasm... but the Three are One... Uni... Model... Une... yet the Model, Uni, Une... IS THREE as scripture states emphatically in many passages and reference.

Father
Son
Holy Spirit

You're the Kook... trying to pound square uni pegs into Tri Holes.

:doh:

- EE

That's quite the imagination you got goin' on there.:chuckle:

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Now... the Holy Spirit is God's Soul...

God's son....

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceeds from the Father, he shall testify of me:


You would have me believe that the soul of God is in subjection to His son?

That don't jive, bro.

No matter what you imagine "now..." means.

1 Corinthians 15:27

“For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he "is" excepted, which did put all things under him.”

 

[Nang]

No, God I Am spoke in the Old Testament

True . .

and that is Jesus.

Jesus was not yet born of woman in the fullness of time.

Jesus says that he is the I Am.

As to His divinity, yes. Jesus the Christ was both fully God, as well as fully Human. But this does not mean the man, Jesus, incarnated before the fullness of time.

The problem is, you seem to fail to distinguish the eternally generated Son of God, who assumed flesh like His brethren, and incarnated as the Son of Man, born as a child, in time. Which leads to erroneous Christology (E.g. Docetism and/or Arianism). That is why careful teaching of the Trinity takes wisdom.

Get the Trinity wrong, then Jesus the Christ is not taught properly, and when the hypostatic Union of Jesus the Christ as being one in personhood, both human and divine, is not properly understood or misrepresented, the Gospel message is skewed, and all kinds of strange gospels emerge.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

True . .




Jesus was not yet born of woman in the fullness of time.



As to His divinity, yes. Jesus the Christ was both fully God, as well as fully Human. But this does not mean the man, Jesus, incarnated before the fullness of time.

The problem is, you seem to fail to distinguish the eternally generated Son of God, who assumed flesh like His brethren, and incarnated as the Son of Man, born as a child, in time. Which leads to erroneous Christology (E.g. Docetism and/or Arianism). That is why careful teaching of the Trinity takes wisdom.

Get the Trinity wrong, then Jesus the Christ is not taught properly, and when the hypostatic Union of Jesus the Christ as being one in personhood, both human and divine, is not properly understood or misrepresented, the Gospel message is skewed, and all kinds of strange gospels emerge.

Trinitarianism, a teaching of man, no matter what man teaches it, leads to confusion.

 

[God's Truth]

True . .




Jesus was not yet born of woman in the fullness of time.



As to His divinity, yes. Jesus the Christ was both fully God, as well as fully Human. But this does not mean the man, Jesus, incarnated before the fullness of time.

The problem is, you seem to fail to distinguish the eternally generated Son of God, who assumed flesh like His brethren, and incarnated as the Son of Man, born as a child, in time. Which leads to erroneous Christology (E.g. Docetism and/or Arianism). That is why careful teaching of the Trinity takes wisdom.

Get the Trinity wrong, then Jesus the Christ is not taught properly, and when the hypostatic Union of Jesus the Christ as being one in personhood, both human and divine, is not properly understood or misrepresented, the Gospel message is skewed, and all kinds of strange gospels emerge.

Jesus came from heaven.

Jesus is God the Father with a body.

Jesus is the I Am in the Old Testament, and in the New Testament.

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

That's quite the imagination you got goin' on there.:chuckle:

God's son....

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceeds from the Father, he shall testify of me:


You would have me believe that the soul of God is in subjection to His son?

That don't jive, bro.

No matter what you imagine "now..." means.

1 Corinthians 15:27

“For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he "is" excepted, which did put all things under him.”

I started to draw sword and crush your Unitarian rebellion... but I'm actually honored to get called Koo Koo by you and see you put up some scripture towards me.

:cheers: [MENTION=15579]1Mind1Spirit[/MENTION]

This raised glass of Chivas whiskey is raised to you.

Your scripturally sound friend (Jab... Jab...)

- Evil.Eye.<(I)>

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

I started to draw sword and crush your Unitarian rebellion... but I'm actually honored to get called Koo Koo by you and see you put up some scripture towards me.

:cheers: [MENTION=15579]1Mind1Spirit[/MENTION]

This raised glass of Chivas whiskey is raised to you.

Your scripturally sound friend (Jab... Jab...)

- Evil.Eye.<(I)>

Believe it or not, I see your point.

And... one jab deserves another...

 

[Rosenritter]

I get the impression that attempting to engage in reasonable conversation with you as an impossibility.

Look at you, trying to get everyone else on this forum to think I have said something against them and now you are defending them.

Prove it right now that I have suggested such a thing?

You are the one going against God even being called 'Father'.

Many people here say that Jesus is God but not the Father.

Jesus is the one speaking in the old testament.

Since God is called the Father in the old testament, then since that is Jesus speaking---it means Jesus is God the Father.

You yourself went against me for saying God in the Old Testament is called 'Father'.

Now you are playing it like you never said that.


Maybe that is what you do. Maybe you do not take the time to consider more carefully what you are saying and what I am saying.


No kidding. We are talking about the OLD TESTAMENT. YOU are going against the truth that you said in the old testament God is not called the Father.

You said Abraham is more of a father in the old testament. You are the one who has been going against me for saying God in the old testament is called 'Father'. You are the one who spoke of titles and adjectives and went against me for saying God is the Father in the old testament.



New and old alike.
We were talking about the old testament, and you are trying to make yourself sound right by trying to act like we were talking about the new testament.


There you go again saying things against God being called the Father in the old testament. I gave many scriptures showing God is the Father, and called the Father in the old testament. Why now do you say there is only one scripture, and that scripture you keep using is about Jesus?


Your confusion is not my confusion. How would you ever get that I was so confused?

Why do you keep going against the scripture that say GOD IS THE FATHER?



What in the world are you talking about? Where do you get that I thought that about you? Are you deliberately saying things that I did not say or even suggest, just so you can cause confusion and act as if I am the one confused?
You will fool some people by doing that. You are a dishonest person.

 

[Rosenritter]

Should he have called you a Sophist instead of a Gnostic?

No it sure doesn't.

Gnosis does not mean "wisdom" either. Gnosis is "knowledge."

Two different words and definitions.

Knowledge = Greek, "gnosis"

Wisdom = Greek, "sophia"

Yup... busted, you are.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I get the impression that attempting to engage in reasonable conversation with you as an impossibility.

Yeah, GT doesn't like reasonable conversation, as she's avoided answering my very simple and direct question about Christians being under law or grace. She also thinks (if I recall correctly) that the Bride of Christ (Israel) is the same entity as the Body of Christ (Christians).