racism

[musterion]

That a white man born in Texas in 1908 would refer to black people as "ni66ers" is not so surprising to me. :noid:

Nor to me. Not in the slightest.

The real issue is, had LBJ become a genuine civil rights champ by making the ideological 180° the left claims he made? Or was it a calculated political move by one of the shrewdest politicians of the 20th century? I guess we'll never know for sure but if I had to bet, my money would be on option (b).

http://theblacksphere.net/2013/07/civil-wrongs-lyndon-b-johnson/

 

[PureX]

Because most of the South is still comprised of smaller communities with long traditions of the same families going to the same churches. So there are blacks who attend the churches their families have, generationally, and whites likewise. It's more about that these days than anything else.

I disagree. I think the division is economic, as it has always been. The 'haves' don't like to covert with the 'have nots' just as much as the 'have nots' don't like to covert with the 'haves'. Both are made to feel very uncomfortable by the presence of other.

That isn't racism in itself, but it is the legacy of race-based enslavement that makes skin color so synonymous with the economic divide even to this day.

The truth is that even slavery itself was not primarily about racial bigotry and hatred. It was about the economic exploitation. The difference in skin color just made it very much easier to manage.

 

[The Berean]

I disagree. I think the division is economic, as it has always been. The 'haves' don't like to covert with the 'have nots' just as much as the 'have nots' don't like to covert with the 'haves'. Both are made to feel very uncomfortable by the presence of other.

That isn't racism in itself, but it is the legacy of race-based enslavement that makes skin color so synonymous with the economic divide even to this day.

The truth is that even slavery itself was not primarily about racial bigotry and hatred. It was about the economic exploitation. The difference in skin color just made it very much easier to manage.

I've often wondered if the Confederate States had won the Civil War of they were allowed to keep slavery how much longer would slavery have lasted? I would think that once modern industrialization grew in the South that owning black slaves would not have been economically viable anymore, that it would be far cheaper to hire freed slaves of poor Irish to work in the factories. I wonder if anyone has ever even studied the economics of black slavery? Slave labor is not free labor. Slave owners must pay for food, clothing, shelter, and medical needs. Plus slave owners had to hire overseers to keep a close watch of the slaves as well.

 

[resodko]

The crime, demeanor, hatred and bitterness of the subculture keeps them in the cycle.

i'm not from texas and i'm not from the south - i'm from upstate new york, one of the centers of abolitionist activity in the early 1800's

when town's ancestors were profiting from the exploitation of their fellow man or from the association with those who did, mine were welcoming frederick douglas to rochester and helping him publish the north star

when great britain abolished slavery in 1833, we new yorkers yawned and wondered what took them so long

when town's ancestors fought to retain their unjust way of life, my ancestors spent considerable of their time and fortunes to go down there and beat them into submission

and yet, upstate new york urban centers have the same troubles with black urban "culture" and failure, violence, drugs, prostitution, teen pregnancies, absentee fathers, etc, etc, etc


from my perspective, based on my experiences, i think aimiel hit the nail on the head :thumb:

 

[glorydaz]

California like every state in the country has places where it is very liberal (cities) and most of the rural areas are very conservative, The problem is that the population of urban areas is so much higher, their liberalism (cancer) controls the state. It is quite broad brush to paint all that live in this screwed up state (California) and say they have any part in, or agree with it's politics. The cancer (liberalism) is everywhere in varying degrees, heck Barbie lives in Texas and he is infected with liberalism...it metastasized on his brain, that's why he says the stupid things he does... :chuckle:

Very true. It's like Oregon. Most of Oregon is red, but the I 5 corridor makes us blue. Dang cities and college towns will do it every time. :down:

 

[glorydaz]

My own racism comes out of fear, as much as I can be aware of it.

And I expect all racism comes from fear of "the other," "the stranger" or "the different." The sign above Main Street shows this on a basic level in my view.

This would explain the racism against Obama and the hatred toward Islam.

Ah, it has nothing to do with what Obama and the Islamists have done. :chuckle:

 

[glorydaz]

Tam, the sign isn't there any longer. Why get all bent out of shape over a sign that was hanging 55 years ago?

Why think someone is getting all bent out of shape because they ask a question? Try to stop reading into posts and you'll be ahead of the game.

 

[Desert Reign]

My own racism comes out of fear, as much as I can be aware of it.

And I expect all racism comes from fear of "the other," "the stranger" or "the different." The sign above Main Street shows this on a basic level in my view.

This would explain the racism against Obama and the hatred toward Islam.

Ah, it has nothing to do with what Obama and the Islamists have done. :chuckle:

Fear of the different: the reason why people see differences or otherness is because they have not been brought up to be familiar with them. This may cause fear but fear is not a big problem. Most people overcome their fears with a little help and determination. Racism comes from being brought up to believe you are superior to other races. The feeling of superiority defines you and that is why it is dangerous. Fear doesn't define you, it merely restricts you. Hatred comes from knowledge and experience, not mere blind prejudice, and isn't necessarily wrong or unjustifiable.
I have to admit that the colour of President Obama's skin has never once been a consideration in my feelings towards him. His apparent lack of intelligence (though I could think of less intelligent American presidents easily enough...) and his possible Muslim tendencies and his desire to encourage good relations with Islamic countries I find much more significant. It is not really my call because I am not American. But this is just my observation from a distance.

I was brought up to be proud to be English. My parents said that by the looks of how the country was going, I would be the last true Englishman. I always thought they were exaggerating. But I never once thought that being English made me superior to anyone else. And neither did my parents give that impression. And when you told racial jokes, they were exactly that: racial. Not racist. And when you go to other countries and they tell jokes about your own country you laugh with them because you know too that it is not racism. There is a big difference between feeling superior and feeling proud to be what you are. As it happens I am no longer proud to be English and I suggest that my parents were a generation too late. They were the last tue Englishmen. We are not allowed to tell racial jokes any more. There is no fun in that. There is nothing to be proud of in that. We used to have free speech but now we don't. Nowadays if you have an advert with a group of random people in it you have to include at least two or three of non-white races or else you are accused of racism. If you write a novel about modern life you have to include characters that are Muslim or Hindu or else you are accused of religious or racial prejudice. And if you include characters who are devout Christians you are accused of shoving your religion down people's throats. These are just examples of a PC mad society in which we are no longer free.

In my own view, this is nothing to lament. I haven't actually lost anything. I am proud of who I am as a person, not as an Englishman. I am too widely educated with two fluent modern languages and a couple of others and three ancient languages along with all the cultural variations and insights to be in any way parochial about the matter. I would feel quite comfortable in probably quite a number of different countries. What we need is good sense, not patriotism. Patriotism helps but good sense is more useful and enduring.

 

[glorydaz]

The fact that you're asking is what makes it racist, not the content on the can. As you would not be asking the question in the first place if you were not already aware that such imagery carries a negative racial connotation.

It's like asking if the word "n-i-g-g-e-r" is racist. No, the word is not anything but a word. So of course the word in not racist. What's racist is the negative connotation that's been connected to the word.

But of course you already know all this. You're just playing games so you can spew this racist nonsense while pretending you're not. This is exactly how racism continues in this country even though it's no longer as overt as it once was. The racism and the racists have not disappeared, they've just learned to hide their bile behind closed doors, and behind silly semantics.

Silly....your post is racist nonsense. :chuckle:

 

[glorydaz]

I have to admit that the colour of President Obama's skin has never once been a consideration in my feelings towards him. His apparent lack of intelligence and his possible Muslim tendencies and his desire to encourage good relations with Islamic countries I find much more significant. It is not really my call because I am not American. But this is just my observation from a distance.

And my observation from up close as well. :thumb:

 

[The Barbarian]

"Obama always goes reckless in words and deeds like a monkey in a tropical forest," an unidentified spokesman at the commission's Policy Department said in a statement carried by the official Korean Central News Agency

Interesting how easily the Tea Party slides right into right-wing tyrannical and immature racism.

North Korean, not South Korean. But yes, birds of a feather. We see some of that here.

And yeah, a generation or two ago, democrats were like that, too.

 

[resodko]

"Obama always goes reckless in words and deeds like a monkey in a tropical forest," an unidentified spokesman at the commission's Policy Department said in a statement carried by the official Korean Central News Agency

Interesting how easily the Tea Party slides right into right-wing tyrannical and immature racism.

wait - you think the north korean governmental news agency is the tea party? :freak:



would anybody have cared if they had said "like a bull in a china shop"?

 

[The Berean]

i'm not from texas and i'm not from the south - i'm from upstate new york, one of the centers of abolitionist activity in the early 1800's

when town's ancestors were profiting from the exploitation of their fellow man or from the association with those who did, mine were welcoming frederick douglas to rochester and helping him publish the north star

when great britain abolished slavery in 1833, we new yorkers yawned and wondered what took them so long

when town's ancestors fought to retain their unjust way of life, my ancestors spent considerable of their time and fortunes to go down there and beat them into submission

and yet, upstate new york urban centers have the same troubles with black urban "culture" and failure, violence, drugs, prostitution, teen pregnancies, absentee fathers, etc, etc, etc


from my perspective, based on my experiences, i think aimiel hit the nail on the head :thumb:

Mr. Frederick Douglas was an amazing man. His use of Christian themes in his first autobiography, Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave, was brilliant. :up:

 

[Aimiel]

from my perspective, based on my experiences, i think aimiel hit the nail on the head :thumb:

Only because I've seen so many poor from depressed neighborhoods and generations of crime and drugs pull themselves out of it by becoming Christian and keeping their own integrity. I'm so fortunate to have so many close friends who have extremely poor families and yet keep themselves unspotted from the world.

 

[shagster01]

My question is, why is the town with the blackest land and whitest people named Greenville?

Also, isn't this where Stanley Hauerwas is from?

 

[Town Heretic]

My question is, why is the town with the blackest land and whitest people named Greenville?

Why is Iceland green and Greenland mostly icy?

Darn people... :mmph:

 

[steko]

Why is Iceland green and Greenland mostly icy?

Darn people... :mmph:

Yeah, people, they're th' worst!

 

[Town Heretic]

i'm not from texas and i'm not from the south - i'm from upstate new york, one of the centers of abolitionist activity in the early 1800's

You could live next door to a college. Doesn't mean you know anything.

...when town's ancestors were...when town's ancestors fought...

So that's what you got refilled for Christmas.

Spoiler

 

[IMJerusha]

Right. It was taken down.
Take a guess why?

Well, frankly my dear...

I'm not bent out of shape over it.

Offended by it, turned off, yah dee yah. It's over, old hat, done, toast...you know what I mean.

 

[patrick jane]

North Korean, not South Korean. But yes, birds of a feather. We see some of that here.

And yeah, a generation or two ago, democrats were like that, too.

the problem is, you people think there's a real difference between the parties. maybe in the distant past, but really not since the federal reserve act, maybe longer. you think you are actually choosing the president ? lmao. hard:shut: