racism

Town Heretic

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...Now I'm not saying everyone who wears his hat backwards is a criminal, but many who do so are. The large number of blacks populating our prisons isn't simply because they are stopped and questioned by police more often than whites, it is a simple fact that more blacks commit crimes and that's because they aren't doing anything wrong (according to their culture) stealing from 'the man,' or committing other crimes. They're fighting the power.
Rather, poor people disproportionately commit most of the crime, especially violent crime and always have. Blacks have, generationally, been disproportionately poor in this country.

As for disparity in treatment and sentencing:

According to the Sentencing Project, African-Americans make up 12% of the nation’s drug users, but represent 34% of those arrested for drug offenses, and 45% of those in state prison for such offense as of 2005.​

That's not a culture problem, though there are problems within the subculture.
 

PureX

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BTW...a high-strung person on another thread is accusing me of being you. I don't know if you want to take that as a compliment or as a bad sign.
When you dance with turds, you soon begin to smell like ****. Perhaps you should reconsider who's crap you're co-signing these days.
 

musterion

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When you dance with turds, you soon begin to smell like ****. Perhaps you should reconsider who's crap you're co-signing these days.

You have said for months that Bible believers have no authority on which to judge because the Bible itself is of questionable authority.

On what authority did you just make that rather tastelessly phrased judgment, then?
 

PureX

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You have said for months that Bible believers have no authority on which to judge because the Bible itself is of questionable authority.
We all must make judgments for ourselves. We have neither the need nor the right to make them for others, unless we are invited (or we are their guardians).
On what authority did you just make that rather tastelessly phrased judgment, then?
I am not obsessed with following presumptive "authorities", so I don't presume them in the first place. Whatever statements I make, I usually make accompanied with the reasoning that led me to make them. From that, you can do whatever you want.

I saw the conversation on the other thread, and I felt it was an embarrassment to all the grown ups on the site. And that's why I made that caustic comment. You will, of course, dismiss and ignore it, so I needn't have bothered. But perhaps others were thinking the same thing and appreciated that I went ahead and stated it 'out loud'.
 

PureX

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Hiya Townsy. In America, we don't care what people group you came from. We care that you love our country and God (1 Pe 2:9).
I don't really see how we can do that while hating each other. Unless we have a very abstract and mostly meaningless idea of God and country.
 

musterion

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We all must make judgments for ourselves. We have neither the need nor the right to make them for others, unless we are invited (or we are their guardians).
I am not obsessed with following presumptive "authorities", so I don't presume them in the first place. Whatever statements I make, I usually make accompanied with the reasoning that led me to make them. From that, you can do whatever you want.

I saw the conversation on the other thread, and I felt it was an embarrassment to all the grown ups on the site. And that's why I made that caustic comment. You will, of course, dismiss and ignore it, so I needn't have bothered. But perhaps others were thinking the same thing and appreciated that I went ahead and stated it 'out loud'.

You have a gift for using so many words to say so little.
 

Aimiel

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Rather, poor people disproportionately commit most of the crime, especially violent crime and always have. Blacks have, generationally, been disproportionately poor in this country.
The crime, demeanor, hatred and bitterness of the subculture keeps them in the cycle.
As for disparity in treatment and sentencing:

According to the Sentencing Project, African-Americans make up 12% of the nation’s drug users, but represent 34% of those arrested for drug offenses, and 45% of those in state prison for such offense as of 2005.​

That's not a culture problem, though there are problems within the subculture.
The term, "African-Americans," is terribly offensive to many so I use, "black," when necessary, to describe one's race. They know they're black. Even though I'm proud of my tan skin, I don't mind being called, "white," although I do take offense at such things as, "Black this," "Black that," because if we had white-only websites or other organizations, we'd be deemed racist, whereas their racism is 'acceptable' (though not to me). I attended a predominately black church for years in the poorest section of town and saw more racism there than any white church I've ever been in.
 

intojoy

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I told that joke to some nfl players at the pro bowl hotel couple years ago. Their wives were saying "yep" haha
 

serpentdove

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[In America, we don't care what people group you came from. We care that you love our country and God (1 Pe 2:9).] I don't really see how we can do that while hating each other...
Obama, Holder, Sharpton et al promote hatred and lawlessness (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10, Ac 17:26). Those with American values do not.
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"America is the least racist nation on the planet." ~ Dennis Prager

See:

The American Trinity Prager University
 

Tambora

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Tambora - what are your thoughts on this sign? My apologies if I missed it
I thought it to be racist.

And after talking with old timers in this town, I'm pretty much left with no doubt that it was racist.

Greenville officials tried to spin the PR on it, when it caught public attention and ridicule in the 60's. But the folks that lived here knew all along what it meant, and were upset when it was taken down.
 

Town Heretic

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The crime, demeanor, hatred and bitterness of the subculture keeps them in the cycle.
That's too close to "black equals" for me. Closer and more accurate, to my mind, to say a generational, systematic discrimination led to generational and systematic problems for many. Some of the attempts at solutions ended up making new problems instead. Or, it's a complicated issue that has a number of influences, most importantly the empowered and willful segregation and attempt to dehumanize and prohibit advancement and the full exercise of right, along with the commiserate impact of that effort on human dignity.

The term, "African-Americans," is terribly offensive to many
To some, possibly. Many? I don't see how it could be, reasonably. Like Irish Americans suddenly attacking their own parades. Who finds it offensive and for what reason? There's no association between the term and any denigrating principle that I know of and I'm pretty well versed in the subject matter.

so I use, "black," when necessary, to describe one's race.
I think it's more often used these days. Seems like a reasonable choice.

They know they're black. Even though I'm proud of my tan skin, I don't mind being called, "white,"
Well, many of them aren't actually black. More would probably literally be classified as brown to one degree or another, so it's not really that different from your tan/white business.

As to not being offended by being called white, why would you? It's been a symbol of power, cultural/racial dominance and even purity at large, only being associated with a negative when paired, as in "white power".

although I do take offense at such things as, "Black this," "Black that," because if we had white-only websites or other organizations, we'd be deemed racist, whereas their racism is 'acceptable' (though not to me).
How is black this or that indicative of racism? I mean give me a couple of examples because I'm not seeing what you're after there. As for organizations, those aimed at supporting minorities are mostly, historically, attempts to build a means to influence the majority and protect the minority from exploitation, something that would be peculiar for the empowered majority to attempt. So when that majority does it the reason is more typically to exclude and to continue to protect their power base from erosion by those same minorities. A very different purpose and animal and so the very different objection to them and the reason why when and where they exist they tend to be odious (as in, Klan-ish).


I attended a predominately black church for years in the poorest section of town and saw more racism there than any white church I've ever been in.
Maybe it's different where you live, but my experience in the South is that most "white" churches have few black members.

Else how so? I'm interested in what you mean by the usage. I've tended to think of racism, meaningfully, as an expression of empowered bigotry. I'm certain you'll find bigotry in a lot of communities, aimed this way or that, even between differing minorities, but those minorities are rarely empowered enough for their bigotry, where it exists, to impact others and almost never the dominant culture and/or race, which is rather important.

Or, as a word to be concerned about, I find more troubling Webster's

"poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race"​

than I do

"a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"​

though the second tends to lead to the first, at least where it meets means and power.
 
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