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[Town Heretic]

Anyway, I'm going to repost today's Wrap and shut the thread so the people who come for it can have a chance to read it. They I'll open it again tomorrow so glory and whoever can do whatever they think makes them happy.

See you guys in a day then.

Here's the Wrap:

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on Saturday[/FONT]

A skirmish between morons not involving a confederate statue led fool to attempt a silver lining...

One side is dressed like burglars and throwing explosives and the other side is waving Old Glory and not hiding their faces. I know which side I'm on. Do you?

Sure. The police. lain:

CS was up to the usual...

Here in America, a good number of media personalities in TV, movies, Broadway, comedy, articles are promoting violence.

Name and quote people from each of those categories. I'll wait while once again you don't manage it. [He never did]

And...

Trump advocated his supporters defending themselves and throwing the disrupters out of the gathering. He did it once and never did it again. In fact he started his rallies after that with a statement that violence would not be tolerated.

Or:

Spoiler

Nov. 21, 2015, Birmingham, Ala. "Maybe he should have been roughed up." Speaking about a protester who was assaulted at one of his rallies.

Feb. 1, 2016, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, "So if you see someone getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Just knock the hell...I promise you, I'll pay for the legal fees."

Feb. 22, 2016, Las Vegas, Nevada, reacting to in-crowd protesters, "You know what they'd do to guys like that in the old days? They'd be carried out on a stretcher, folks...I'd like to punch him in the face, I tell you."

March 4, 2016, Warren, Michigan, "Get him out. Try not to hurt him. If you do I'll defend you in court. Don't worry about it."

March 9, 2016, Fayetteville, N.C. Responding to protesters. "In the good old days this never happened, because they used to treat them very, very rough. And when they protested once they would not do it again so easily."

But then...

?????

Easily your best work. lain: And finally a claim you can back factually.

PJ opened a window on the growing problem of majority victimization...

You don't think SJWs and BLM demonizes white men?

I don't know anyone who identifies as a SJW, but I do know people involved in the BLM movement and I wouldn't describe their approach or concerns that way. I'm sure there are people in the minority community who see whites the way some whites see blacks. I'm aware of the Nation of Islam and the variations on the Klan and what they advance.

But those are voices that don't represent most people and I've never felt anything but privileged as an American and in my own skin.

Continuing with...

But if a white commentator said it was a Black Lash, we would never hear the end of it. It was a clear degradation of white people

Well, you'll have to settle for black conservative commentator Deneen Borelli writing a book about: Blacklash: How Obama and the Left Are Driving Americans to the Government Plantation.

My subtitle would be: how to use the tragedy of slavery to make political hay while decrying PC (which doesn't appear to ever remotely govern the mouth of anyone who complains about it).

Must illustrated a common complaint from one side...

In my experience, no one suddenly hangs a left out of nowhere.

In my experience zealots will never understand, let alone advance the notion of an honorable and honest opposition, or see that men can hold contrary positions on any number of things with the same degree of integrity and consideration.

Sometimes they were badly instructed in, or unconvinced of, what they claimed to believe and ended up swayed to the left.

Or they came to their position the same way that people of character and acumen came to a different one.

Other times, they were lying the whole time.

Everyone is secretly after your Lucky Charms...just so. lain:

Talked portents with Lon...

It never does though.

Only 28.5% of voters showed up to the polls this year (20 year low). 14% for each candidate, then a third more of the country are on board with approval where none of them were happy with either candidate. Statistics are hard to read but I don't see this as good or bad for either democrats or republicans per say, or bad for both, for that matter.

Any time you're in power at every stage of the game and most of America doesn't think you're steering the ship in the right direction, it's a problem.

The Dems have another problem, presenting an affirmative alternative. Given the clown-car approach they usually take to legislation, that's unlikely and the only reason the Republicans have to rejoice of late.

Before trying to head PJ off at the "liberal, liberal, liberal" pass...

Typical uneducated leftist statement

Your difficulty being that I'm neither uneducated nor leftist.

Here you asserted a conspiratorial, persecuted tone when the facts run contrary. Your guy won. Your party controls everything but the S. Ct. and has its hand in there strongly enough at this point.

So who is persecuting your guys? Your guys? The media the right routinely dismisses? It's a hollow complaint. I understand you've had almost a decade honing that act, but once you actually get power you can't maintain the approach. You're no longer the underdog. You're Goliath.

Ultimately, the problem with becoming or aligning yourself with zealots, PJ, is what it does to your ability to stand apart and think for yourself. It makes smart people stupid, or negates the point of their intelligence when it has them say things like "Property is theft!" or "Hillary is a felon!"

When an ideology demands that of you the price is too steep.

Back to the NK sponsored death of an American citizen...

The article had one good point, he was stupid for going to NK in the first place. But it was because he was a liberal not because he was white. Liberals never see the world as it really is.

BINGO! :BRAVO: That was my take as well, and I
will add that American liberals admire & laud despotic socialist countries like NK

No they don't. Who is praising North Korea outside of Dennis Rodman? You shouldn't use "like NK" so you can tag liberals with the association.

& Cuba without understanding the implications of living under such tyranny...they just don't get it.

Another problem with you guys, left and right toward the wings, this peculiar notion that the other guy is too naive, stupid, or corrupt to understand your position or he'd agree with it.

Anyway, back to the kid. You could just go dig him up and kick the corpse around a bit. Maybe invite the family.

I thought conservatives would treat the dead with more respect. Okay, some conservatives around here...you, for instance.

Tomorrow? Chit-chat. lain: Well, it could happen.

 

[Town Heretic]

Okay, so despite all the rampant posting the overall views were barely moving yesterday. I close it to let the usual crowd catch up on the Wrap and between then and now and it hits two hundred views overnight. lain:

So far this month? 4,285 views on 6 Wraps. I'll discount the thr 24 or so posts by glory and the half dozen by sod. Makes it 4,255 on 6 wraps.

Going to be another really good month. I'd been waiting for a serious decline given the decline in active members posting and visiting, but our guests/visitors appear to be accounting for enough traffic.

So far this year: January was a really slow affair, but I wasn't particularly active with posting either, so I can't complain with the ppv. Picked up the pace in February and things turned back around. Slowed posting again in March, but it didn't seem to matter. Maybe some carryover and catching up. A little bit of a lull in April despite a heavier posting total. May looked pretty good and this month might end up the best this year. Likely will, the way things are going.

Month, views, posts, posts per view

2017
Jan. 2,457 – 6: 409
Feb. 2,950 –19: 155
Mar. 4,536 – 8: 567
Apr. 3,527 – 24: 147
May 4,059 – 19: 214

So with five days to go we're already having our second best month--most of which occurred before and after the post flurry of a few discontented souls, ironically enough. 4,255 on 6 Wraps, roughly 700 views per. Now I did write a stand alone, so it might only be in the 600 range per, but that's better than rep as encouragement.

 

[Town Heretic]

The Wrap
on Spats




Elsewhere, in a rare moment of actual topical outbreak not requiring an ointment...

Clearly this was a self-radicalized lone wolf....But I’m very concerned about the backlash against the white community.

What the heck does white have to do with it? Was he some sort of white separatist? There are white Muslims. And there are pale, blue-eyed Spaniards. Much of the world understands that, because they live in areas where much more diverse populations tend to break down that sort of assumption.

And, thankfully...

Everybody is...... We'll stand together and we'll stand by the innocent Muslim folks of London and the UK.
It'll take time but I expect we'll hear more about the terrorist soon enough.

God bless the effort. It's hard to keep your sanity with so much insanity all about you.

Speaking of the today's theme...

Unfortunately, the facts bear out that islam is a dangerous fake religion

There's someone across the pond thinking the same thing about your faith and you. And he's just as wrong.

CS began to open one door...

If God did ask you why he should let you into heaven, what would you tell him?

To ask you, since you appear to feel qualified as a judge of the answer.

It's not a serious question to ask a Christian and if you don't credit my faith it's worse.

Had the beginning of an interesting conversation with Nik that I'll leave a truncated bit below for the full link. I don't think I can do justice to either of us with just a snippet...

...Just some thoughts that may or may not advance the discussion.

I thought that was very interesting and had a great deal of truth to it, if not necessarily on the point I'm addressing, which is how the term is used here, largely, and why.

And another with rm that I think covered good ground...

So is it your intention to make a case for socialism counselor?

No, whatever it is you do for a living (engineer?), I've been on the record for a long time saying that I believe socialism can be outperformed by a market economy. I think history bears it out. I also think that without some restraint it's about as immoral an institution as you could have. We're failing to restrain the worst lessons and impulses these days, there's too little noblesse oblige on hand despite the efforts of a handful of captains, and we cover corporate greed with the invented virtue of the stock holder obligation, putting a little guy layer of paint over a pitted husk. I think that's why we have a real rise in socialism among the young.

Name one socialist nation that has not ended badly, or is currently a human rights nightmare for it's citizens?

France appears to be doing well enough. Maybe not. As it's not really my argument I don't invest in it. But then, how well is our country doing for the average Joe these days? The middle class is being squeezed into nonexistence by the upper class, who more and more consider themselves internationalists. Leaving the country over taxes would have been a source of shame a few generations ago, when the rich were paying more taxes. Today it's a headline.

And...

I can agree with most of this, especially agree that civility has left the building in politics anyway. I disagree with your bit on the NRA, and believe that that they represented me quite well as it refers to my 2nd amendment rights. When you speak of the NRA you are touching on yet another polarizing issue which I am sure we disagree.

I think that if you find yourself agreeing with every position taken by any organization you're probably not paying close attention to every position taken by the organization. I'm for 2nd Amendment. I'm also for gun registration and I'd like a mandatory course in safety attached to the exercise. Because every right is subject to reasonable expectations, which is why you can't say anything you want anywhere you want to.

I will pull it every time regardless, I will always vote against socialism & big government

There's no lever that leads to that, rm. Not a one.

You may hate the current occupant, and I am no big fan of Trump personally

Why do I have to hate someone that you're not a big fan of? Can't I simply find him without character and an embarrassment to the nation he largely doesn't represent, either as an individual or in terms of the actual popular vote? I don't hate Trump, but I'd rather he not be president.

Then Horton said (give it time)...

Teaching 'safety' with guns is nonsense. I've had plenty of guns in my hand, and I can tell you one thing familiar with every time I've held one- 'safety' is counter intuitive. Guns are instruments of death, you see. They are engineered to ✞kill✞

That's probably why all the armed forces just go, "Here, this is a gun. There's some ammo. Try not to kill anyone...I mean try not to kill anyone with the same uniform on. You're good to go." lain:

Come on HC, that's counter-intuitive.

And PJ mused...

You'll vote Trump in 20

Twenty what? lain:

Okay, so here's why (also, this may be Cruc again I hear)...

Keeping terrorists out of your country isn't hard to do,

It depends on whether or not you want a free and open society.

you just have to be willing to offend a bunch of people who think you're the Devil anyway from having full carte blanche with your immigration system.

If there's one thing America has proven of late, there's no shortage of people willing to offend one another and demonize the other.

When Obama was in office...such things were ignored.

No. . . there was more, but that seems enough.

Also, that's why innocent people died why liberals were more concerned about the right of sodomy.

And why ice cream started tasting funny, why it got warmer, and boom garden salad shoots the cymbal bucket, 12.

Just thought I'd take your sentence to its logical conclusion.

Sorry, but there's a bigger enemy than Islam, and it's right here_

I agree, if not on what that enemy is...you appear to think it's a who. I may start calling you Horton.

The enemy is irrationality and fear, and too many people, otherwise decent and thoughtful people have been swallowed by that beast.

Tomorrow? Fun with state mottos, the shame of band camp, and CS wastes a chance. :e4e:

 

[Town Heretic]

Taking a vacation for the rest of a rapidly compressing summer semester. But I'll be back on the other side of it. Anna is going to be gone too which cuts the pool of pleasant conversation nearly in half (you other three can hash out who you are ) and I've been tending too many fires that need tending away from here. Time to take a breath and concentrate on mid terms on.

See you soon as I can. Be good in the meantime. :cheers:

 

[Town Heretic]

The Wrap

So HC said...

Teaching 'safety' with guns is nonsense. I've had plenty of guns in my hand, and I can tell you one thing familiar with every time I've held one- 'safety' is counter intuitive. Guns are instruments of death, you see. They are engineered to ✞kill✞

That's probably why all the armed forces just go, "Here, this is a gun. There's some ammo. Try not to kill anyone...I mean try not to kill anyone with the same uniform on. You're good to go." lain:

Come on HC, that's counter-intuitive.

And PJ added...

You'll vote Trump in 20

Twenty what? lain:

Then, after getting history wrong...

It's 'racist' to say that people took the West, rule in every war, and, ironically, even ended slavery.

No, but it's accurate to say the West built a lot of its empire by fashioning a particularly brutal form of slavery that it ended largely when the industrial revolution was making the practice unnecessary for most of the last great empire, the British.

History is tricky. Dividing it by race is mostly a mistaken notion.

Before taking the error into the current era with...

Keeping terrorists out of your country isn't hard to do,

It depends on whether or not you want a free and open society.

you just have to be willing to offend a bunch of people who think you're the Devil anyway from having full carte blanche with your immigration system.

If there's one thing America has proven of late, there's no shortage of people willing to offend one another and demonize the other.

When Obama was in office- AKA the President of Everywhere Else Except Here lain:

lain: Okay. I think we're zeroing in here.

- such things were ignored.

No. . . there was more, but that seems enough.

Also, that's why innocent people died why liberals were more concerned about the right of sodomy.

And why ice cream started tasting funny...

Just thought I'd take your sentence to its logical conclusion.

Sorry, but there's a bigger enemy than Islam, and it's right here_

I agree, if not on what that enemy is...you appear to think it's a who. I may start calling you Horton.

The enemy is irrationality and fear, and too many people, otherwise decent and thoughtful people have been swallowed by that beast.

Came up with a few potential state models over in my A Momentary Life thread, among them:

Rhode Island: All the accent of Boston without the clutter of culture.

South Dakota: where North Dakotans go in the winter. lain:

Michigan: we used to sell cars.

Georgia: (looks at shoes)

Florida: Americas graveyard with a view.

Pennsylvania: you like chocolate? Football? Chocolate footballs? You're welcome.

Idaho: yes, we've heard the joke. Tell Montana it's still not funny.

Missouri: show me (where we are on a map).

Kentucky: where the horses are fast and genealogy is rocket science.

Nevada: craps isn't just a game, it's a lifestyle.

Wyoming: why not?

Montana: have you heard the one about Idaho?

Wisconsin: like Minnesota, but with cheese.

Speaking of goofery...

The Elton John comparison is legitimate because I see the resemblance too. With that little snippet of Town's face it's a dead ringer, I saw it a long time ago. I also see a little Ben Franklin, and Liberace.

lain: Those two get confused for each other all the time, like Andrew Jackson and Crispus Attucks.

It's all in the angles.

Tam and I couldn't agree on health care, but we paralleled...

That would be up to the hospital, not the government.
If the hospital wants to eat the expense, they can.
But no one should be forced to pay that bill for them.

Let's just agree that no Christian should have to be forced to help those without healthcare afford it.

Then had a curious conversation on America with a new guy...

America is a Christian nation.

Rather, it is a nation founded largely by and largely comprised of Christians. It is a nation that protects religious liberty. Even the liberty of faiths you find undesirable.

Read the Declaration of Independence and the Mayflower Compact.

Rather, read the actual operating manual of our nation, the Constitution.

Separations between church and state occur to protect the church.

Separation of church and state is meant to protect us from a state sanctioned church and the evils that historically attended. We never erased a third of our population over whose exegesis was superior. Catholic and Protestant lived and live in peace here. As does the Jew, the Muslim, the Hindu, the Buddhist, and even those who determine to live their life without a particular faith.

The freedom to hold our own beliefs so long as the exercise thereof fails to encroach upon the free exercise of the rights of others is fundamental to our social compact. What you propose is a violation of the core of that republic and should be opposed by anyone who values it.

That led to...

1) The Constitution is a system of laws.

Well, it sets out the parameters, limitations and underpinnings of codified law found elsewhere.

It does not state the Christian ideals that we were indeed built on because it is giving laws, not ideals.

Not really. Check out the preamble. "We the people, in order to..." no "establish or protect a Christian state" in sight, though it's a clear statement of founding principle and the inclusion would have been easy enough, as it would have been in the Declaration.

2) America put the Japanese in camps. In times of war, you do what is necessary to protect the nation and we are indeed in a time of war.

A decision widely recognized as both unjust and questionable as a matter of law in relation to Constitutional protections. See: Ex Parte Endo.

3) The cemetery stones of the people who gave us our freedoms have crosses.

Do you even know anyone who has been to Arlington? lain:

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Historically, crosses marked graves because most of the people lying there were Christian.

4) We are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, that all men are created equal.

You want a list of religions that would be comfortable with the word Creator?

5) I pledge allegiance to the flag...one nation, UNDER GOD, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Again, you want the list?

Tomorrow? The nature of charity, moaning and gnashing, and people repeating themselves about history. lain:

 

[Town Heretic]

The Wrap
on Saturday


On the efficacy of generalizations and outcomes...

...Muslims are attacking us. It's just war. Common sense!

Common sense is often uncommonly wrong. Reason is a better course, along with fidelity to our principles instead of fearful capitulation. Some Muslims have attacked us. And some Christians too. And a few atheists, some anarchists, ect. When someone breaks the law they're accountable. When we fail our principles we are.

And...

My Grandfather had a picture of FDR on his wall.

Lots of people did. It took death to get him out of office.

We elected him for four terms.

You mean they did, unless you're a lot older than I expected. I know, I know, the country. He was immensely popular and did a lot of good for a lot of people. No disputing it. And he was an able leader in a time of war. Also undisputed.

You know what else was largely undisputed back then? Racism. It was almost as much fun for the average Joe as night baseball. :Clete:

When I visit state parks, I see that men of the time built things for Americans to enjoy while we struggled for jobs. He said, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself". He defeated the Nazis.

He certainly galvanized the nation, but I think people like your grandfather defeated the Nazis.

PJ felt obliged...

Let's all submerge ourselves in white guilt. It was racist back then

That's a one legged horse you're riding, PJ. I don't feel the least bit guilty for what FDR did and failed to do. But it's the truth and yeah, it was powerfully racist back then, unfortunately. And as unfortunately, FDR wasn't exceptional in that particular.

That's one area where we've made real progress, though a lot of people had to suffer and more than a few die to manage the shift. Their sacrifice demands an unflinching and frank look at the preceding history and the people who moved much of it forward or failed to.

On the form (not function) of charity there was this concentration...

My Christianity is for charity.

Nothing wrong with charity.

Charity is not forced.

No one is saying charity is forced. Some of us are saying you can't be forced to [give] what you'd be willing to give in the first place.

My Christianity is against stealing.

No one is arguing for theft either.

Charity is not stealing from one to pay for another

Christ never preached against the state's authority to tax. And taxes aren't theft.

PJ offered...

There's no such thing as "affordable healthcare" anymore, genius.

Maybe there is and you just don't understand it.

Said of tenacious, multiple if hidden posts by an old friend...

I'd say I'm going to give [her] the last word, but that's like saying you'd give Marlon Brando the last piece of chicken in the bucket.

If no one visible has anything to add, I'm going to go do something fun, like watch a zombie move...which when you think about it isn't really that different.

CS said...

A coward speaks in code like you do.

An idiot thinks most people are speaking gibberish.

Then shopkin was back to use the right wing weapons in defense of the most left wing president in the history of our nation...

You can take modern day snowflake pc culture and point fingers to what was the norm at the time.

Or I can point out objective truths observable by anyone in any time. Because there were abolitionists in the colonies and people who weren't actually racist around WWII. So, while most people were racist once upon a time, it doesn't really excuse, say, slavery, or the practices that sponsored laws to combat later, relating to blacks and to Jews and breaking the social ban, the quietly enforced "not in my neighborhood" code of more than the South on where they could live and what jobs they could hold. :nono: Slathering words like pc and snowflake won't alter it either.

Walked into a conversation between rex and angel to note...

They don't entirely...yet, and it's not a binary phenomenon. But there's little doubt in my mind that Trump would never have been elected if he hadn't been born rich. He actually made his wealth a major selling point, despite the fact that he's really done little in his life to deserve it.

yeah, you and many other liberals still cant get that he got elected because he was different than establishment candidates and Americans are desperate for real change back to core values for the better, not changes into socialism/marxism. Get your noses out of the air, and see what most people are saying.

She's right Rex. A lot of otherwise reasonable people voted for Trump because he (a rich, old, white guy) ran as an alternative to the usual (rich, old white guys) and their power structure, that he immediately seeded with people from the economic power structure. lain:

P.T. Barnum's grave must have sounded like a Cuisinart on high setting.

Noted of closed door health care "reform" efforts...

Ding-dong, the pitch is dead. Which ol pitch? The wicked pitch. Ding-dong, the wicked pitch is dead.

Tomorrow? Attack dogs, free OJ, and that's what the Germans said... :shocked:

 

[Town Heretic]

The Wrap
on Monday


Went all expose-ish on AB...

Oh wow, Youtube videos. Well, that proves everything.

lain:

But, surely you've seen the video of the rabid, Muslim attack dog and the desperate efforts of the constabulary to coral it.

Sensitive viewers warning: it turns ugly at around 4:02.

Spoiler

Youtube videos cannot be denied

And there's your proof in black and white. :shocked:

The end is nigh. Hide your women and children. lain:

Considered rm's perspective on a couple of points relating to Muslims...

Now to me this is all common sense, and necessary to protect our society but, to the American liberal it is bigotry.

No, giving preference for one group of individuals over another group of individuals because the first group goes to your kind of church, well, that is.

It takes courage to name your enemy, even more to take the steps to separate yourself from them, and to rid yourself of their presence.

That's what the Germans said. Not recently, of course.

PJ made this observation...

You look at life through rose colored glasses

You guys may just need the regular sort at prescription strength.

Before the day took a darker turn...

Someone said OJ was free yesterday and I got all excited.
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. . . lain: Dang it.

Speaking of pop culture...

I still can't get enough of Barney Miller.

Like trying to get enough sunshine...though I suppose you can get enough of that...at least enough to cause cancer...I don't think you can get cancer from Barney Miller though...unless you sit too close to the tv...wait...okay, unless you hold your cell phone too close to your eyes...

That might do it.

Which led to all sorts of nonsense...

I think Bernice gave Fish cancer.

I have it on good authority that Fish prevents cancer. lain:

Barney Miller show was so intelligent and witty. I hated it when I was a kid, but now I get it.

So what changed? (see what I did there?)

I never watched it as a kid.

:chuckle: You were an adult in the 70s right?

He watched it waiting for his Medicaid check to clear. oly:

Tomorrow? Mormons, a box full of crackers, and a bridge too soon... :idunno:

 

[Town Heretic]

The Wrap
on Tuesday



Chatted up Nihilo in a Trump thread...

Right. So as I said, President Donald John Trump has never used illicit drugs, nor does he drink any liquor.

True of every practicing Mormon, too.

Unlike so many other of our "stars."

But not the Mormons. lain: Or, presumably, the Mormon stars.

So, way to go, Wilford Brimley. Shame about the diabetes though.

PJ came by with a fresh batch of curry...

Artie & Town - :straight: :BRAVO:

If you die while you're posting and it turns out there actually is reincarnation, what are the odds you come back as a windsock? :think:

While in the atheism thread, I was losing faith in my own coherence...

There are more people who do not believe in any afterlife, than there are atheists today.

Which is sadder than a box full of crackers for Christmas...unless you're starving, of course...or really like crackers. :think: So, mostly parrots and famine victims then.

And on a political note...

Remember that time Trump won the election?

That's not how you spell gerrymandering. lain:

But it's a pretty good way to describe the effect.

And...man, I talked to PJ a lot...

You will never accept the fact that Trump is doing a great job

Or that light bulbs darken a room, human flesh tastes just like chicken, Tom Brady is the greatest qb in NFL history, etc.

and America is better than ever.

At what? lain:

Tickled Tam with my whimsical interpretation of her breakfast offering...

Good morning.

Ah, tomatoes, fruit, sausage and mashed potatoes. :think: Well, why not.

Is that cobbler in the background?

I don't know.

The juice isn't going to go with that.

So then...seriously, I don't think I talked to my mother this much in a week...

Have you seen the new demonrat slogan? A better deal? :rotfl:

It is funny. I mean, what isn't a better deal? Silly Repugnican'ts.

better skills? better wages? Sounds like a Papa John's commercial

Have you seen the Replican't plan for the future? It's called 1955. :shocked:

Democramps and Repugnican'ts...those are our choices? :sigh:

Tomorrow? More whimsy and the Death of a Manatee...and an honorary mayor who was also a cat... lain:

 

[Sherman]

The Wrap
on Tuesday






PJ came by with a fresh batch of curry...

If you die while you're posting and it turns out there actually is reincarnation, what are the odds you come back as a windsock?

lain:

:rotfl:​Good one!

 

[Town Heretic]

The Wrap
on Saturday


First the sad news...

Kushner is off the hook

Really? He doesn't really feel that fresh. :think:

Anyway, we've got more important problems. Snooty the manatee is dead.

And there's an online petition urging Manatee County (yes, there is too) to replace a Confederate memorial with a statue of Snooty's likeness.

Seriously, that just happened. oly: It could start a chain (or hook) reaction.

And the sadder, unless you don't like cats, in which case it could be a pick you up, maybe...

Wait, when did this happen?

Earlier today and now it's worse. These things come in threes.

After 20 years of able service, Stubbs the cat, mayor of Talkeetna, Alaska, passed today. He was 20 years and three months of age. Or about fifteen to twenty minutes in Trump Tweet time.

Speaking of PJ's America...

Let's stick to the real story, not the 10 month old farce.

That's what Nixon said. ...sort of.

This traitor tried to escape the country,

I'm pretty sure he hasn't been charged as a traitor. lain: Let's try to stick to the actual story here while we're, you know, sticking with it.

he's a felon

There's been a trial? Or is it only my patience?

Much of his family has already left

Which means what? Is the literal word "left" now suspicious to you guys?

Then, following the rule of three's, Stuu was busy beating a horse...

Nope, I've got absolutely no idea how that works logically.

Either there's an objective, empirical (or other equally objective) litmus to meet or there isn't. The isn't underscores the insufficiency of empiricism (or other objective approaches) and the inherently subjective nature of our approach to the question of God.

If you want proof you should understand what would suffice. And for the what would suffice to be meaningful beyond your subjectivity it would have to be empirically (or otherwise objectively) verifiable and the means methodologically reproduceable. If you can't name it you can't be satisfied and the question/challenge isn't meaningful.

Rex had a good one...

This story is to the DNC what the stupid little exhaust port was to the Death Star.

A conveniently invented plot device?

:chuckle: That's making the next Wrap.

That led to my wondering...

Trump is one-dimensional.

Width or height? I know it's not depth. :think:

While hackels (I know) were rising...

Trump is providing all of that for us now

He should start with the haircut. I think he could pull it off...I think most people could pull off his current one...

The Sessions problem surfaced...which is where most things Trump tend to stay...

It would be nearly impossible to replace Sessions. I hope they work it out. Word - word is, Jeff ain't budgin'

He gave up too much. Trump will have to fire him.

And if he did, who the heck else worth confirming is going to leave a secure position anywhere to drive the clown car in that circus?

A nod to McCain led to a typical right wing feast on their own to make a Golden Corral manager blush...

McCain is an idiot

How you aren't already the head of your local Mensa chapter with analysis like that is anyone's guess.

And he was off...

You lefties all think the same :chuckle:

Actually, I'm ambidextrous. lain: So I understand how everyone writes.

CS was busy revisiting the S. Ct....

Trying to see how that is relevant to the point I'm making. There is good justification for not allowing a vote on Garland. There is no good justification for filibustering Gorsuch.

No, there wasn't/yes there was, in order.

Garland would have radically changed the balance of the court.

That's not a good reason. Like saying your team didn't show up because you'd lose.

Every president has the right to appoint and to have their nominees voted on. True regardless of which party occupies the White House.

When I say a president has the right or not the right to a particular nomination, I don't mean legal , constitutional right.

Then you're just finding a way to justify what shouldn't be. It's all the rage among the right these days.

Then PJ was traveling the alt right high road, which isn't paved in good intentions and rarely glitters :nono:...

You are low intellect

Well, I tried to have it refilled using your post, but....you know.

Settles one question at least. The wind is still coming out of the north, north east. :chuckle:

And...

That was very thoughtful, low intellect Elton :chuckle:

Getting gale-farce winds out of the NE now. Everyone hold onto your socks.

Well, guess...

I sock supposed to bother me? :rotfl:

The I-sock. Like most of PJ's latter work they just don't hold up. :drum:

Or...

At least

New motto? Or just the level of expectation in-party?

And we'll wrap with ff nailing the Trump summary...

Elect a clown, you get a circus. :think:

That's it.

Tomorrow? The return of chrys, PJ is briefed, and congressional mottos. :cheers:

 

[Stuu]

Then, following the rule of three's, Stuu was busy beating a horse...

Er, wasn't it a unicorn?

Stuart

 

[Town Heretic]

The Wrap
on Monday


Pj said the darndest thing again...

Another genius statement from a "man" that sits in his undies

Whose undies do you sit in? lain: And you might want to stop doing that.

Spent a little time with chrys...

so what is new? you can be fired really? really why? don't need a reason

No reason? Sounds like the new Congressional motto.

Then anna said...

Actually, it is. :chuckle:

I'll be driving past [Walmart] on my way to Costco.

They know how to treat their workers. :thumb:

driving past walmart to costco proves you are not a conservative

I'll add that to my list of "reasons to never identify as a conservative"...after "education" and before "health care" which honestly feels a little redundant.

Before...

If TOL installed software that blocked non sequiturs, the forum would implode.

Then he said...

I have gotten over you

But still not one. . .

But he didn't mean it...

I watch cspan, never the stooges, hate cake because of the frosting

All frosting is not created equally. Maybe you just need one where it hasn't been applied liberally...see what I did there?

I do watch msnbc to see where you might be getting the news

I don't watch MSNBC...I rarely watch any news channel these days. Most of it appears to be centered on Washington and I'd rather watch Chaplin. The physical comedy is better.

I do get out to other forums and blog posts

Good.

I did run into amr but don't think he recognized me

Were you slouching? Posture is everything in a chat room.

While on another note Must affirmed...

Well that settles it. Socks are evil.

Only the kind you can't wear out (either). lain:

Had a momentary regret at the end of yet another Trump truncated career move...

I feel badly about it now, but I've been calling him Prince Riebus for weeks. lain:

anna offered...(look out, PJ, she's giving you a run for Wrap money)...

Trump goes off message a lot, and whenever he does he ends up in the weeds.

So it's like his golf game, and the press corps is standing in for the guy who makes him count the strokes? Or at least wondering if it might account for his play.

FF's response to PJ (clawing back in there PJ) led to...

Post count isn't of any concern to me. I've deleted several thousands of posts.

That's like, what, a day, day and a half's worth of Trump tweets?

And feeling the strain of a come from behind rally, PJ threw a shoe...

You can deny it all you want but you're a blatant leftist with a SJW mentality

You are to personal insight what Trump is to press relations.

Or career stability. :rip:


Tomorrow? The problem with the obvious, insulation, insullention (of course), and legal eaglets... :thumb:

 

[Sherman]

Doser is flying along .

He is firing off seeker missiles hoping one of them finds Town Heretic or Arthur Brain. One of them circles around and detonates in his exhaust pipe and sends his craft down in flames. ​You get a vacation while his plane undergoes repairs.

A certain Tomcat rolls away leaving you to ponder why that missile did what it did.

Word to the wise, if you tend to bump heads a lot with the same person, it may be time to place them on ignore, not fire off a bunch of the reports in the woodshed.

 

[Town Heretic]

The Wrap
on 8/7


So after I noted a testy assessment of Foxfire by PJ...

Paranoid...lurker...you get any "friendlier" and there's bound to be bloodshed.

Pipe down Mr. Witty. Anyone reading the posts from start to finish would see his paranoia and he is in fact a Lurker. Just the facts

When people feel the need to tell others what's obvious only one thing mostly tends to be.

And it isn't that.

And, considering...

Listening to right wingers describe liberals is like taking golfing lessons from Helen Keller. Entertaining as heck to watch, but you don't really learn anything about the game.

Tam suggested...

"Harm" does not have to be involved for something to be wrong to do.

For instance?

Leading to...

Bestiality.

Cain brought an offering without faith.
That was wrong for him to do, but he caused no harm to anyone by bringing that offering.

Didn't he harm himself?

On the latest Trump firing...

11 days? :rotfl: Spicer is laughing at this one too. The only thing Scaramucci managed to communicate was the ineptness of this administration.

Leading to...

Now you know. :chuckle:

Funny thing, the more you know the less they appear to. :think:

PJ asked...

What can he do about N. Korea that would meet with your approval

Take up residence?

Before taking exception to a golden Flake's right wing objection to Trump...

You admire Flake?

I admire the nerve. And I agree with a few of his criticisms. I haven't read his book yet.

For that?

For standing up to his party on principle? Sure.

Do you see a lot of protectionism and isolationism?

I don't see a lot of anything from this administration beyond rhetoric. But that rhetoric is in line with the criticism.

I like Representatives that DON'T write books

But then, you like presidents who can't write a sentence without a personal pronoun.

So...

I wish I had the time to be a Senator AND write a book

I wish you were too busy to write a sentence.

Leading to bridge too far to live under...

I wish you actually used your higher education to be something other than Mr. Mom :chuckle:

When you were a kid your coloring book just looked like one page of whatever shade caught your eye, didn't it.

In any event, I have been using that expanding education, but that would be under "none of your" in the business column.

CS was opining on race...

I've talked to over 500 white people who used the nword over my lifetime and yet he tries to invalidate that based on the idea of anecdote he does even abide by

...One-third of whites admitted to using it at least once or twice in a five year period, according to the 2012 Cooperative Congressional Election Study. So forget 500, a third of whites is a pretty large number.

According to a wide sampling survey conducted by Unney and Feldman of Stony Brook University, in New York, about 40% of whites in their study admitted to believing "a little or more" that blacks are poor because of racial differences in intelligence. Or, around 40% of whites admitted to being a little or more racist.

Tomorrow? Comic books, comic takes, and politics goes to the movies. opcorn:

 

[Town Heretic]

The Wrap
on Saturday


So CS had a thread about the Death Wish remake...

Please go see this movie to enrage leftists.

Mostly (these days) Bruce Willis just enrages people who pay to see his movies. lain:

And...

So you are not enraged by the ideas and themes of the movie?

No, I'm mostly enraged by the quality of the acting I keep running into at the movies. And by the lack of imagination in Hollywood for the past 20 years.

Then Rusha said...

I will agree on the Nicholas Cage ... but how dare you insult De Niro!

Two words that put Robert on the latter day Bob Hope egg timer: Bad Grandpa...The whole Death Wish fantasy is so far removed from reality for most people I think you have to consider it the way you do a musical. Sure, groups of people will occasionally behave that way, but mosty not. So watch it for what it is and forget what it pretends to be.

Then Berean...well...I'm not really sure...

So I guess you're not a Batman fan?

As a comic book or a working social model? No, I'm not in favor of grown men dressing up like bats to fight crime on their own.

dr had a notion...

Putin has hypnotized the entire state of West Virginia!

Only the ones sans shoes and most of their teeth...point taken. lain:

chrys was up to his old...

what kind of protection do two guys living together need? -

The same protections everyone living legally together need. You know, their rights.

who is trying to kill them?

Is that the threshold for right? How many people have to want to kill you before you get rights?

That had pj wondering...

What rights?

What rights do you have? Those.

What rights of theirs are being violated?

That's a situational question dressed up as a principle. Supra, as a principle. Can't be answered situationally without more particularity.

It used to be, 2 guys living together were just roommates

It used to be a white and a black living together meant the white owned a slave.

, WITH RIGHTS. What's wrong with being roommates?

What's wrong with being married?

While over in the Mt. Rushmore of whatever you feel like thread, I considered baseball...

MLB Mt. Rushmore:

Babe Ruth: the original still chased decades after his bat went silent.
Cy Young: 100 wins out in front of the runner up for best pitcher of all time.
Ted Williams: the last man to hit .400 and one of the canniest hitters of any era. Won his last batting title at 39 years of age.
Willie Mays: in my opinion, the greatest baseball player of all time. Amazing fielder with a live arm and a deadly bat.

Hon. Men. : Hank Aaron, Jackie Robinson, DiMaggio, Robinson..

PJ was mining irony for the right...

Send me your lazy, illiterate, free loading criminal masses, with no skills. So we can feed, house and care for them, for free

Oh you right wing elitists.

Penned a bit in the Statue of Liberty controversy thread...

The Alt-New Colossus (second draft)

"Give me your rested, your chic,
Your tanned masses yearning to shop duty free,
Those venture capitalists of your teeming shore.
Send these, the privileged whites few to me,
I hold the pass key to our golden door!"

(servants entry around the blacks back)

Wrapping up with chrys trying to kick a fg through freshly set posts...

I am not comfortable with lawyers redefining things

Like Jefferson, Adams, and around half the founders when they redefined the nature of government among men?

- I just don't trust them - do you?

I trust the rule of law they gifted us with over the whims and dispositions of men like you, who confuse their bias with the rule of thumb.

Tomorrow? :think: Muslim trees in religious forests, more Rushmores, and optimism unbridled.

 

[Town Heretic]

Someone wrote on FB: "A beautiful baby gecko got stuck to a sticky trap and I'm devastated."

Worse, think of all the money she could have saved on her insurance...it's too soon, isn't it. lain:

 

[Town Heretic]

The Wrap
on Monday

Discovered that when you look at the qb play during their playoff runs, the cream that rises might surprise...

Chance of having a bad playoff game (75 qb rating or below):

Brees: 1%, Rodgers: 12.5%, Montana: 21.5 %, Brady: 26.5%, Favre/Young, Peyton: 33%, Elway: 36%, Marino: 44%

Chance of having a statistically great playoff game (90+ rating):

Rodgers: 75%, Brees: 73%, Montana: 60%, Favre: 50%, Brady: 47%, Young: 43%, Peyton/Elway 41%, Marino: 33%

While elsewhere Rusha made me feel like a cynic with regard to Congress...

Perhaps they will finally put country above party.

Okay, I'm a fan of optimism, but don't overdo it.

Recalled a recent travail of marriage...

Jack is hungry the other evening coming back from swimming lessons and we stop on the way home to get him a happy meal. He says he wants a milkshake with it, so I ask my wife, who is riding in the backseat with him, "Get that as a drink with it?"

And she says? "What did you just call our son?" lain:

Our next car is going to have to be a quieter ride.

And in my Mt. Rushmores thread...

Old school sitcoms: Hal Linden, Bob Newhart, and Ed Asner

You've never even seen a photo of Mt. Rushmore, have you... lain:

Rejected CS taking a thing literally instead of literarily...

This poem by Emma Lazarus does not mean our immigration policy is to let any and all comers come in unvetted simply because they are poor, tired and huddled. It was never meant to advocate an open borders policy...

Why attacking poets and trying to make a point no one is arguing is dumb: because you'll look goofy and no one is arguing it, respectively.

Now a great deal of what our founders put together was fairly poetic in the course of things. The Declaration of Independence is a rhetorically wonderful bit of writing, with or without legal force. Many of the documents we honor as a nation, a great deal of the national sentiment and expectation, aren't reduced to something as dry as the law must be, but those thoughts guide that law, support it like bone.

And the law, often as not, reflects our aspirations and our highest ideas. When it fails to do that, outside of the pragmatic and mundane (like traffic court) it tends to find itself challenged and undone in time, by process (see: Suffrage/Civil Rights Movement) or by some other means (see: the Civil War).

The poem noted in its relation to the Statue of Liberty is one of the aspiration variety. It was nobler than popular sentiment when written. Apparently it's nobler today as well. Then again, we've always had a problem with the new guy and the Irish found that out the hard way, as did the Italians, as have most minorities. But despite our worst impulses and resistance we've kept moving toward and fighting for better ideas. That's one thing that distinguishes our social experiment from most. We aren't a noble people, never have been. But we've always dreamed of being and at our best our laws and our poems reflect that impulse, that hope.

That, as I'm prone to say, ain't hay.

Answered a good question from PJ...

What insane notion do people have that healthcare costs and premiums will ever go down? Is anything else getting cheaper in the world today? Soak up some more Obamacare for next year.

Why would it be reasonable? Well, if health care costs are arbitrary, inflated, etc. then it's reasonable. If laws exist that thwart competition and those restrictions are removed it would be reasonable. In short, when we find ourselves paying significantly more (2.5 times more on average) as a percent of our GDP than countries with universal coverage, something is wrong and the fix is in. People know that or sense it.

Had a long, interesting exchange with exmin on Islam...

...I have seen enough to know that while Muslims can act like they are all right, far too many are supportive of suicide bombers, explicitly and implicitly. They wouldn't do it themselves, but they wouldn't call it out.

Or maybe it's a lot like Germany in the old days for many. First you develop an us/them feeling, fueled and supported by the palpable suspicion, contempt, and even mistreatment by the other (see: what the West did to the Arab world after WWII) until it's ingrained in the culture. That limits the voices being listened to. Then you add the most restrictive and limiting elements of a theocracy the way the brown shirts limited philosophical opposition. And then you process the whole thing with fear and fanaticism. Easy way to keep a population in check and thinking the way you want them to think.

There are anecdotal cases where a few have called out family members but certainly not enough.

...I know a lot of Muslims have been very vocal in opposing terrorism in the name of their God. And I know that most of the people fighting and dying in the war against ISIS were and are Muslim.

That is the maturity process I expect. The more they publicly call out violence the more Americans can get comfortable with them and come to trust them. The more they stay to themselves and not criticize violence the less they will be trusted. The onus really is on them. Humans give trust to others as the others earn it. Don't you think that is natural and not wrong?

Probably, but I also recognize that I kept hearing, "Where is Muslim outrage???" after 9/11 while all sorts of Muslims, from scholars to laymen, were decrying murder in the name of God and simply not getting a lot of coverage or attention.

And a more predictable one with chrys...

men do have free will

That should be the cutoff.

-and-

You mean "but". You were really showing your "but" there, not your "and."

they are accommodating - they will leave when asked to - most of the time

So, for those playing at home, Republicans didn't give us Roe except by accommodating the Democrats with nominees who would fail conservative principle and men are mostly accommodating women.

Liberals and women, the bane of chry's existence and the Vandals of modern history.

Tomorrow: secret sources sauce that rings a Taco Bell, the basic facts, and PJ's legal problems...sort of...

 

[Town Heretic]

The Wrap
on Tuesday


Must proffered a bit of repackaged...hooboy...

Also interesting. Speculative but interesting. A poster at a blog said he found this on FB.

Okay, I agree it's interesting that anyone would try to use an anonymous poster at an unnamed blog purporting to have found an unsupported bit of declaration to create a degree of disassociation for conservatives. And by interesting I mean neither surprising nor credible.

But let's look at the crazy thing anyway.

Unite the Right is a Soros-funded honeypot psy-op that employs the Pied Piper strategy to damage the Republican brand by insinuating that Antifa goons disguised as Nazis represent the views of the entire Right wing in America (This is what Creamer and Democracy Partners have been up to lately.) Some points that give the scam away:

It looks like the origin of this new narrative/alt take, is none other than Alex Jones. For those unfamiliar, Mr. Jones previous work includes 9/11 as a false flag, and Sandy Hook as a prepared hoax. lain: On Saturday, Jones trotted out the Soros/conspiracy theory to predictable applause from the loons who follow his music while those only strongly needing distance used the trots distantly, as you'd expect. (Newsweek, today).

4. Reports of violence against "Counter-protesters" at an "impromptu" rally. o one spontaneously organizes to counter-protest an impromptu rally unless they are associated with the organizers of the rally themselves.

Even money which is worse, the logic or grammar. But why choose?

5. The name. "Unite the Right". This is so obviously a "Pied Piper" op that I can't even. It is supposed to make the organization appear to represent the views of the entire Right Wing, so of course they go around giving Roman Salutes and waving Confederate flags and shouting "White Power!" while wearing Trump hats. And hen of course these same leftists load up their other twitter accounts and attack Trump for not denouncing them hard enough. Standard divide and conquer nonsense. They are going after what they perceive to be his base of Nazis while tarnishing the Republican brand.

And then Momma Bear said, "Someone's been snorting my enormous pile of cocaine."

I'm going to cut through the additional declarative beans to a point anyone reading through it could get behind:

6. ...Don't fall for this scam.

:thumb:

So PJ was mulling about the joint...

I wouldn't belong to any group that would have me as a member

He's currently in the process of being rejected by the League of Ironic Plagiarists...which has to sting...someone.

Had a difference in focus with Kat about the Charlottesville killer...

I am being psycholical here, believing the killer may have had desires to be included, but may, for many reasons, not have been known to its members.This often happens, a lone outsider who lives inside his head, rather than outside, takes it upon himself to do what the worst of the group members do in speech and writing...We will see, I bet none of the alt-right groups know this guy.

And I'm suggesting that those people gave him something to hate, people to reduce to objects and targets for his anger and illness to seek out. Whether or not they claim him is far less important than the claim they had on him.

Speaking of, rex nailed this response to CS...

He should also condemn the racism and bigotry on the other side, not just the extreme right. The so called "Black Lives Matter" is filled with black racists. Black people can be just as racist as anybody else.

In other words, "all lives matter".

In other words, why focus on the problem at hand, when you can go find something else to focus on that's a lot less uncomfortable?

And the apologetics continued...

We should not refrain ourselves from criticising more than just the white nationalists.

I think it's important to distinguish between tactics and aim. The aim of the Nazi lovers is vile. Opposing that in principle is virtuous. Choosing the wrong means to oppose it may invite reasoned censure, but it doesn't invite the suggestion of moral equivalence.

To the point where a guy photographed literally wearing a Nazi armband and a Trump hat brought out...

wow. one guy in a group of people. wearing a hat ive seen some steal. I dont know what that guy believes and i do not wish to guess at it.

You don't have to guess. He's wearing his heart on his sleeve.

its a picture which can tell a thousand lies with the truth.

You know what should distinguish truth from a lie? Reason. Not desire. So the apparent truth is before you. The question is what reason do you have to doubt it?

And...

...reason is necessary and so reason tells me that unles I am present at location the picture is taken then there is probability that presentation of said picture could be incorrect.

Almost anything is possible, but much less is reasonable. So when I see a Nazi salute it is possible that the fellow has a nervous tic, but more likely that he means something by it.

When we drape ourselves in meaningful symbols we invite the association. It is reasonable to make it and unreasonable to see ambiguity within the expression, even if there's a mathematical possibility of it.

PJ was back with his latest editorial...

Lil Town likes to ridicule and belittle the current administration. But he's not a leftist

If only you believed the truth you don't mean to tell as readily as you accept the lie you mean to believe.

And...

Criticizing a republican president does not make one a liberal or a democrat by default.

Not if you're rational. So you can sort of see his point. And how it could help to keep his cap on in a strong wind. lain:

Before RJ got at least one thing spot on before cranking out post after pro Russian/anti American posts almost more aggravating as the font he used to do it...

Trump isn't the anti-establishment rebel, many portray him to be.

Anyone who bought into the idea of a rich old white guy being a rebel deserves their disappointment.

Before another random post had me wondering...

what dictates the rally to demonstrate against removal of a statue a rally to "unite the right?

The people who organized it called the association and support. It is reasonable to assert that people who show up for a Scout jamboree understand what they're attending for the most part.

what qualifies nazis as right wing?

They do by association and alignment. I'm not suggesting that to be a conservative, even a hard right winger, is to be a racist or Nazi sympathizer, or White Nationalist, only that it doesn't exclude the possibility and that these racists find supporting a right wing agenda in their best interests. That invites a reasonable consideration of why.

Then PJ had another spell check malfunction...

demonrats have always taken advantage of the poor and minorities

Usually in the same way a preacher takes advantage of a sinner, though over time they've become virtually indistinguishable from the next group, at least in the corridors of power. That group, caretakers of the hijacked conservative cause, continue in the service of corporate masters who sell you the lottery dream of someday while they systematically reduce the promise of your present and point to the poor, the immigrant, unions, and minorities as the impediment to your opportunity.

"Same as it ever was..."

Tomorrow? The importance of beating earnest, blueberries, and Chrys cozying up to the Russians... :AMR:

 

[Town Heretic]

The Wrap
on Hump Day

(Mostly funnies bonus edition)


GM said a curious thing...

Personally, I've always voted Republican, however, I consider myself to be an "Independent Conservative."

Where does the independent part come in? :think: You choose one conservative over another?

I think they call that a primary.

Chrys began another leg in his oddly revisionist rite of passage from adamantly opposed to Trump to the point of withholding his vote (which he once would have sworn made him a baby killer by default) to, well, this...

I still can't believe trump is president and if it was because of the russians, which I will never believe, I would thank the russians

You'd thank a foreign government for violating the law and influencing an election. Well, it's a good thing you aren't in uniform...or is it?

lain: Cornwallis, eat your heart out.


Differed with dr on the Russian question...

But it's ok if we do it.....cause, well, we are into regime change and all...

I'd say that you're making a mistake relating to the old moral equivalence argument. All killings aren't equal, by way of. If we try to get Hitler ousted it's a good thing. When a thug like Putin tries to influence our Republic it isn't. Not all governments and actions taken in relation to them are inherently equal.

Continued it with random...

...who is being killed doesnt change morality of the act.

It completely can. Example: Hitler, Gandhi.

the act itself is morally wrong and denounced.

Murder is wrong, for the most part...though if I could murder Hitler before his rise to power I suppose I'd just have to live with it.

And a little more GM...

Personally, I see Trump that was placed in office by the "Will of God" and is doing a good job of trying to straighten out this Nation.

What if God put him in power to punish us for voting for him?

On a more serious note, I answered a thing I get from both sides depending on the issue...

You consistently ignore the left's rhetoric

Rather, I consistently advocate for a rational and fact centered approach to issues. On a site where almost all of the threads are created and populated by the right, most of what I have to say will address that perspective. Not that long ago I was accused of being an apologist for the religious right by a poster here who was a solid liberal and saw me and my response to his proffer the way people too far to the right to be reasonable, you for one, do from the other side.

While RJ continued his...

Yes, the irony. Killing 45 million unborn babies is OK, but Russia releasing dirt on a corrupt American politician is the end of the world as we know it.

It's not really an either/or. :nono: A lot of people opposed to abortion were green lighting Russian sanctions. And no one, not even Congress, is saying it's the end of the world. It's just criminal, willful, wrong and censurable. And there you go.

And let's end with a last helping of GM...

Obviously, you see things differently. You and I disagree, totally. That's not a big deal, our Nation is divided, as well.

And that's encouraging too. Most people hate dividing fractions.

Tomorrow? lost in translating PJ, Trump continues to unite the nation, and what history won't teach some of us...

 

[Town Heretic]

The Wrap
on Thursday


Spoke to the notion that inequality in approach is always the way to go...

who is being killed doesnt change morality of the act.

It completely can. Example: Hitler, Gandhi.

the act itself is morally wrong and denounced.

Murder is wrong, for the most part...though if I could murder Hitler before his rise to power I suppose I'd just have to live with it.

Wrapped up with our Putin apologist...

The CIA report was wrong, and that's the point. The CIA can get it wrong, and based on the latest research, it appears that perhaps their position on Russia hacking the DNC computers are likewise wrong.

It's not just the CIA and it's not a best guestimate situation. I've noted sources who obtained Putin's agenda. I've noted the involvement of other agencies, their agreement, the agreement of the Senate oversight. I'm fine with that being my part. Let the readers look at my link from the Washington post, consider the Senate report I noted, and understand that a party with little to gain from it has been arm in arm with its opponent across the aisle in consideration and response.

PJ decided to contemplate his public navel...

Many of you may have noticed, my rhetoric has picked up in the last 6 months. I use harsh language and ridiculous statements. I do it on purpose to mirror the left. That's why I call them radical left wing extremist terrorists, just to sound as ridiculous as the democrats. Trump is doing a fine job and the dems hate it

Well, he's doing a fine job of pulling the Democrats together...but I don't think that's really in his job description.

Then gave it up for lint... lain: So I tried to help him communicate more effectively with another poster...

Wrong, you brainwashed jackass. "The folks" who did? Plural? How stupid can you be? Show me where he supports them liar.

I think what PJ's autocorrect is malfunctioning again. Here's what he appeared to say and what I think he meant to say:

Wrong, you brainwashed jackass.

No, that's unfounded, you stubborn guy you.

How stupid can you be?

I believe you've been misinformed.

Show me where he supports them

Could you quote the president condoning racial violence in the past or present?

liar

(.) Or maybe he was starting another bit on ancient musical instruments. It's a tough one to read.

Autocorrect is wrong so often they should make it an app at Fox News.

Before...

Donald Trump is human,

It's a hard point to argue against.

he isn't a polished wordsmith.

Even harder.

He genuinely loves and cares about this country and wants every American to succeed,

I'd agree he wants every American he approves of to succeed. I don't think he cares about all sorts of people though. CNN employees, for one.

There are two evil, violent sides to this, Town.

Yeah, I don't agree there at all. I think there are two sides willing to employ the wrong methods, but I don't equate the moral position of those opposing White Supremacy with the White Supremacist. I can see where someone whose grandparents were in a Nazi prison camp might think meeting this new batch of Brown Shirts before they're stronger is the necessary thing to do. I also think they're wrong, that this is a different nation than that Germany...but then, maybe those Germans thought they were better too.

Had a word about bird perches with dr...

All this because of statues...

In a sense. We built memorials commemorating those who fought to preserve a slave state. It was one way to sooth feathers of the loser way back when, or a way to romanticize and feel better about something that didn't merit it, or the ultimate passive/aggressive response to losing a war. It's not such a good idea these days. Or if it is my South really has a lesson to learn about graciousness in defeat...and slavery, of course.

Answered on a talking point related to Charlottesville...

Disagreed that the president is responsible for violence.

A person is responsible for their actions. A guy who uses your shotgun to kill his wife is guilty of murder. But if you know they're having marital problems and he has a temper, setting your shotgun against a tree in your back yard might lend you a bit of responsibility of the moral variety.

Or maybe all you did is say, "Women" and give him that exasperated look of understanding. That appears to be what the lunatic fringe sees in Trump. And he knows it because it's been there for a while. A thing that should make a man of parts set a different rhetorical course.

Like I said, their increasing presence is a good thing, in order for us to clean up the mess.

How is that being done and by whom? It's a bit like suggesting that it's a good idea to get people to leave their doors unlocked at night so we can get a real clear shot at rounding up thieves.

I reject that he is responsible in any way for violence somebody else perpetrated,especially since he wasn't there and had nothing to do with the thing.

Proximity and causality aren't always related, though again, I'm speaking to a broader moral responsibility and not a criminal liability.

Continued to call chrys out on his Russian loving Trump switch flip...

I voted republican

Not if you didn't vote for Trump, which you declared you weren't, excoriating those who planned to take your old advice in the process.

So are you being dishonest now or were you being dishonest then?

Went to the movies with GM, sort of...

It's time to check out the 1970s movie, "The Omega Man" with Charlton Heston. I believe you'll find a parallel between this film and what's going on today. Charlton Heston represents the Conservatives (Which he was in real life) and the people infected by a virus represent "The Far Left-wing" Antifaswho fill the streets, bringing violence, perpetrating anarchy, and starting fires.

I liked him in Planet of the Apes. But there he was the liberal and the conservatives were mostly angry monkeys, which is more resonant today, given the power structure. And how much additional makeup would it take for Trump to star as an orangutan?

It certainly has a peel. . .

Then GM said...

The "Fake News" is allergic to the word, "BOTH." That's the word President Trump uses when blaming the "Alt-Left and the Alt-Right for the riot in Virginia. The left-wing libs don't like the idea that, Antifa shares the blame along with the KKK, etc. After all, it takes two to tangle, right?

In attempting to establish moral equivalency between the the two groups all Trump managed was to underscore his own lack of moral compass and distinction.

Tomorrow? Phrases that don't pay, once more into the broached, dear friends, and word disassociation with chrys. :think: