glorydaz
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The Trinity
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God's Truth
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Post the scriptures you want to discuss. Let's settle this now. Why are you putting it off?
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John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Jesus says that to his disciples.
Jesus says the Spirit of truth. See John 14:17.
The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. JESUS IS THE TRUTH. John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Jesus is the One who was living with them.
Jesus is the One who will be in them.
Jesus tells them, “I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.”
Jesus comes to us and lives with those he saves.
Jesus said that he would send another comforter, the Holy Spirit. He also said that he would not leave them as orphans that HE WILL COME TO THEM.
John 14:18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
This is at the time Jesus told them that he would send them another comforter. Jesus explains to them that it is HE.
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1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
opcorn:
I have explained this to you many times before. I will explain it to you again. Stay around and deal with the answer I give you.
Our mind, our feelings, our conscious, that is our spirit. If anyone gets a modern English version Bible, you can easily see that whenever the bible talks about our soul, it is at that time concerned with our living body (our physical living body with its spirit).
Whenever the bible talks about our spirit, it is concentrating on our spirit, our spirit whether in our body or out of our body.
Whenever the bible talks about our body, it is speaking of a living physical body or a dead physical body.
A soul is a physical body alive with a spirit. The body is dead without the spirit (James 2:26), and the spirit lives on after death of the body.
Refer to 1 Thessalonians. We can see that God will sanctify us through and through, our whole spirit (spirit without a body), soul (spirit and body together), and our body (with or without our spirit/dead or alive). God truly sanctifies us through and through.
1 Thessalonians 5:23 May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
glorydaz
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Where do you dig up these ungodly translations? He made Himself NOTHING? Really? That's how you read that verse? :doh:
He made Himself of "NO REPUTATION" by taking on the nature of a servant (man).
Nothing about God divesting Himself of even an ounce of His DEITY when He became flesh.
In the same way, the sun's glory is not diminished one iota on a cloudy day.
Do you seriously think that Jesus divested Himself of His Divinity (His glory) and picked it up again for special occasions.....like this one?
Luke 9:32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.
glorydaz
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You have totally adulterated the Holy Scripture....no wonder you cannot understand our Triune God. :nono:
God's Truth
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I'll use any scripture you want.
Your argument about words amount to nothing.
No translation changes the meaning of how God the Father came as a pathetic human.
See how the trinity doctrine doesn't work?
You contradict yourself. What don't you get that God came as a Man and coming as a Man is lowering oneself?
Jesus is God, the one and only God the Father come in the flesh as a Man. Try to prove I say what you say. It just doesn't work.
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See you are the one who is guilty of not addressing the scriptures and the things that I say.
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Jesus ONLY SAYS what the Father says and does.
When you see Jesus, you can say, "I see the Father".
Jesus isn't 'like' the Father, because there is no one like God the Father.
That is what the scriptures say.
Think about is some more.
Good night.
Isaiah 46:9
Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me.
When you see Jesus, you can say, "I see the Father".
Jesus isn't 'like' the Father, because there is no one like God the Father.
That is what the scriptures say.
Think about is some more.
Good night.
Isaiah 46:9
Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me.
glorydaz
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And how is that accomplished....for both statements to be true?
Rather than pick one choice over the other, which you always seem to do, consider all the scripture to be true.
The Holy Spirit comes out from the Father (proceedeth from), and is sent by the Son to testify of the the LORD JESUS CHRIST (HE shall testify of me).
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
The Holy Spirit dwells in the believer on behalf of the Father and Son. Always together - never separated - ONE triune God.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
glorydaz
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glorydaz
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This is what you need to do, Pops. Click on the little blue arrows and track back to what you said and what I said. You seem to want me to do all the work for you, and then you refuse to admit you said what is plainly documented right here in this thread.
Little blue arrows....follow the little blue arrow road until you find what you're looking for.
popsthebuilder
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I do not believe Jesus as man was the Father of all existence, per scripture.
Same spirit, but begotten flesh is not eternal spirit.
Same spirit, but all knowing isnt not knowing.
All encompassing isn't in need of growth.
Man isn't GOD though the spirit of GOD can dwell within them.
Jesus as man was not the literal complete fullness of the eternal creator GOD though the spirit of GOD did fill Him completely.
popsthebuilder
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I don't need to do anything your lying falsly accusing lips have to say.
You are proud and beyond even standard conversation.
.....what I need to do......
......you...... work.......
I wouldn't expect anything from one who doesn't even understand work and what is or is not work. I wouldn't want you to breakaway from your do nothing but sin gospel.
The words "above human understanding" are in quotes because it is the phrase she used.
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?115654-The-Trinity&p=5101678&viewfull=1#post5101678
I suppose you could say that having certain details left unexplained and being fine with that is a form of "taking it on faith" but I avoid using the term "faith" in that way. Biblical faith is about a willingness to accept and adjust yourself according to the substantive evidence that is presented to us. There is plenty of biblical evidence to support the Trinity doctrine and so it isn't a matter of simply believing it in some sort of blind manner, which is what most folks mean when they use the word "faith".
Otherwise, I agree with your comment entirely.
Clete
Who said this: "And I will pray the Father and He will give you another Helper that He may abide with you forever" (John 14:16)
So, does it refer to God or does it refer to Jesus?
I just love how you guys have to squirm when asked such a simple question! I have yet to ever get a straight answer the first time around. I always have to pin your feet to the floor to get passed having asked the question. It's the most powerful argument against your doctrine that could possibly exist and you make it yourselves!
How about the title, "The Almighty", who does that refer too?
Also, two other questions for you...
It is right or wrong to worship anyone other than God Himself?
Did God die?
popsthebuilder
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Alpha and Omega..... Both....same spirit ......
GOD almighty refers to the invisible GOD of all existence and creator of all creation, and Christ now at this time, not the temple or vessel of Jesus, the Christ as man.
GOD cannot and did not die.
If you think you made me even flinch then you are mistaken.
Why would you want to make one squirm anyway? Why not wish to communicate peacably for the sake of one another, or the understanding of the masses at least? What benefit is it to attempt to humiliate another? Who does it help? Whose pride is it to bolster?