They were cut off because they weren't bearing any fruit. Remember the fruits of the spirit? yeah, the Jews were cut off because they weren't showing those fruits.
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They were cut off because they weren't bearing any fruit. Remember the fruits of the spirit? yeah, the Jews were cut off because they weren't showing those fruits.
popsthebuilder
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"No, God is a God who risks."
Scripture please.
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lifeisgood
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Why is it that something so easy is transformed in something so discombobulated?
God created everything for His pleasure, included in His pleasure He included His Love for everything He created for His pleasure. It is ALL about His pleasure. Everything all for His pleasure. It is for His pleasure to have created us. It is for His pleasure to love us. It is for His pleasure that He sent His Son.
God's Truth
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The Jews who did not have faith before Jesus started his earthly ministry, they were cut off and hardened so that they could not hear what Jesus was saying and so be saved. Jesus came first for those who already belonged to God by faith. Faith was going to be the bases for the new covenant; not dead faith, living faith.
lifeisgood
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Thank you for letting me know I am not real.
They did not BELIEVE Jesus in absolute.
John is talking to Believers.
John is saying that if you truly believe God, and are striving to do His Will, you will instantly recognize what I (John) am saying is truth, thereby knowing that what I am saying to be from God.
God's Truth
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Jesus' words are for the whole world.
When Jesus walked the earth, only those who ALREADY belonged to God before Jesus came were saved.
The rest were cut off and hardened.
Luke 19:42 and said, "If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace--but now it is hidden from your eyes.
Luke 8:10
He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.'
John 12:40
"He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn--and I would heal them."
Romans 11:8
as it is written: "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, to this very day."
Matthew 13:14
In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: "'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
Mark 4:12 so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'"
Mark 8:17And Jesus, aware of this, said to them, "Why do you discuss the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet see or understand? Do you have a hardened heart? 18"HAVING EYES, DO YOU NOT SEE? AND HAVING EARS, DO YOU NOT HEAR? And do you not remember,
lifeisgood
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You are so full of yourself.
You have been parroting the truth according to your, gt, truth.
Jesus says it to HIS Believers.
Jesus says it to HIS Believers.
All directed at HIS Believers.
It is directed EXCLUSIVELY at THOSE WHO LOVE HIM.
God's Truth
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Jesus says you don't love him unless you obey him.
As for you keep saying that Jesus said that to those who believe him...lol...doesn't change a thing.
lifeisgood
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Who is saying otherwise.
So you are now of the camp of the predestined ones. Got it.
Not God’s fault.
They did NOT believe Jesus.
lifeisgood
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God cut them off and hardened them so that they could not believe Jesus.
Jesus came first for the lost sheep of Israel, those are the people who already belonged to God by faith.
They were already God's, but now they had to go through Jesus to remain God's. Jesus said he wouldn't lose one that God gave him.
When Jesus was crucified, then all who are not saved could come to him to be saved, but he came first for those who already belonged to God by faith.
The old law was not based on faith. A person could obey the ceremonial works but not have faith. God did not like that but that was the law until the new covenant.
God's Truth
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People already saved don't search for God to be saved!
The Bible was written so that those who want to be saved can find salvation.
God's Truth
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No, not predestined. Listen more carefully.
When Jesus started his earthly ministry, there were Jews who were already saved, they already belonged to God.
Those Jews who were already saved, they now had to go through Jesus to remain saved.
Jesus said he would not lose one that God has given him.
The other Jews were cut off and bound over with the Gentiles.
All could be saved when Jesus was crucified, but he came first for the lost sheep, the people who already belonged to God.
God's Truth
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John 17:6 "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.
lifeisgood
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Got cut them off because no matter what He did or said, they rejected Him.
Remember Balaam?
Nah, Jesus came EXCLUSIVELY to the lost sheep of Israel, those of the lost sheep of Israel who BELIEVED Him and what He did, would go and preach to the rest of the world His gospel.
Salvation is a ONE time deal. You do not have to go through Jesus again and again TO REMAIN God's.
Jesus would not lose any of the ones who BELIEVED Him because He was going to send them to the rest of the world.
You contradict yourself. Yeah, I know you cannot see.
Wrong!
When a person went to the Temple was NOT because they OBEYED first, but because they BELIEVED first.
They BELIEVED that the shed blood of the animal was saving them (covering their sins); therefore, they went and did the ceremonies.
The DOING of the ceremonies NEVER saved anyone. The BELIEF of what the ceremonies represented DID.
Yeah, I know you will not understand it.
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lifeisgood
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Yes, because they BELIEVED Jesus.
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God's Truth
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No. You are going against what is written. What is written is God’s WORD. God cut them off BEFORE Jesus started his earthly ministry.
lifeisgood
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Correct. People who are ALREADY saved search for Him so that they can obey Him.
Do you hear yourself, gt? You're saying that God wrote to UNbelievers. Really, gt? Really?????
lifeisgood
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Remember Balaam?