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lifeisgood

lifeisgood

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Rosenritter said:
I think there are distinctions in unbelievers. There is passive or default unbelief, then there is active and intentional unbelief.

Heb 6:4-6
(4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
(5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
(6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

All things may be possible with God, but the task above is impossible because it has already forsaken God by an active, conscious, informed decision.

Luk 18:26-27
(26) And they that heard it said, Who then can be saved?
(27) And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.
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Unbelievers, nevertheless.
 
lifeisgood

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Rosenritter said:
Joh 20:30-31
(30) And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
(31) But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

While the Bible is certainly written for believers (2 Timothy 3:15) perhaps it is written at multiple levels. The gospel of John seems specifically written with the unbeliever in mind, for the purpose that the reader might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, that through this belief they might have life.

Rom 3:1-3
(1) What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
(2) Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
(3) For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Along similar lines, the scripture was given to the Jews, but not all Jews believed. And why does the Bible contain prophecy? Isn't (one of) the purpose of prophecy to prove the validity of a message to someone who does not yet believe?
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Only to Believers. Unbelievers will not believe. The Bible was written for the ones who believe, be it at the time it was written or for the future, those who without seeing believe.
 
Rosenritter

Rosenritter

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lifeisgood said:
Only to Believers. Unbelievers will not believe. The Bible was written for the ones who believe, be it at the time it was written or for the future, those who without seeing believe.
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I would say that the Bible is written for those that shall believe, with the understanding that God intends to reach out to all men, and as such the Bible is written to each and every one of us. which would become more understandable and relevant as we enter further into belief.

Did you mean to say that you believe that the bible is written to a fixed array of individuals, and that their final state of belief is already predetermined, set, and immutable, and therefore regardless of whether they believe currently, it is written to that fixed set and that fixed set only?
 
lifeisgood

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Rosenritter said:
In contrast, the style of your response makes it sound to me as if you believe that the bible is written to a fixed array of individuals, and that their final state of belief is already predetermined, set, and immutable.
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That is your inference of what I said.

The Bible was written to Believers, be it at the time it was written, after the time it was written, between then and now, now, and in the future.

A Unbeliever can read the Bible a million time, recite it verbatim back, and still be a Unbeliever for he/she will not believe what is written.

The Bible and what it contains was written for Believers. Those who believe what is written in it. Dividing it rightly for each group, time, etc.

The Bible is not written to predestined anybody because only the plan of God is predestined and not any individual.
 
lifeisgood

lifeisgood

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Rosenritter said:
I would say that the Bible is written for those that shall believe, with the understanding that God intends to reach out to all men, and as such the Bible is written to each and every one of us. which would become more understandable and relevant as we enter further into belief.
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For those who believe to understand better what they have believed.
 
God's Truth

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lifeisgood said:
Oh, woman of little faith in what the written word says.

John 14:21 The person who has my commandments [the person that has already believed and is already saved] and obeys them [the commandments they already have because they have believed and are already saved] is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father [because they already believed and have been saved by me (Jesus)], and I [Jesus] will love him and will reveal myself to him [because already believed and I now can show them through my Holy Spirit what I (Jesus) want him/her to obey].
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Don't add to the written word.
 
God's Truth

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lifeisgood said:
No, that is what you, gt, say you, gt, believe.

Remember what gt says vociferously, almost furiously: A UNbeliever has to OBEY and then God will save them.
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Who would ever think a person sounded like a wolf for telling others to obey God?

I want others to know the glory in obeying.
 
lifeisgood

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God's Truth said:
Who would ever think a person sounded like a wolf for telling others to obey God?
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Go tell a UNbeliever he/she must OBEY before God will save them and then come back and tell me about it.

God's Truth said:
I want others to know the glory in obeying.
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You who say that you OBEY ALL of Jesus' commandments and then when someone tells you if you OBEY a particular commandment of Jesus your response is ALWAYS "huh, nah, that command of Jesus is not for me.'

C'mon, gt, set the example and show us ALL of Jesus' commandments you OBEY.
 
lifeisgood

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God's Truth said:
HaaaaHaaaaaaaaaaa!

When you read something, you hear it.

Can you imagine reading and not hearing it while you read? Try it.
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You have no idea of what the Bible means by HEARING do you? Nah, you too busy boastfully proclaiming vociferously, almost furiously that you OBEY ALL of Jesus' commandments, "nah, but not that one. No, no, that one either."
 
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lifeisgood said:
You have no idea of what the Bible means by HEARING do you? Nah, you too busy boastfully proclaiming vociferously, almost furiously that you OBEY ALL of Jesus' commandments, "nah, but not that one. No, no, that one either."
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I have come to learn that it scares people to tell them they have to obey Jesus.

You slander me for saying so.

You cannot even admit that you made a mistake when you said we do not hear while we read.

You do not admit anything so you do not have to do anything.
 
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