The Trinity

[popsthebuilder]

Again, if you have been so blessed that Jesus spoke to you before you had faith in him, then know that whatever you tell another what he said, it cannot go against the written Word.

Faith comes from hearing the message.

Our faith comes from HEARING the word, see Romans 10:17. From hearing the word and being TAUGHT, Colossians 1:5, 7. From continuing in what we have been CONVINCED of, see 2 Timothy 3:14, and being PERSUADED, 2 Corinthians 5:11. In Acts 26:17 Jesus tells Paul he is sending him to the Jews and Gentiles to OPEN THEIR EYES and turn them from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God. How do you think Paul is going to open the eyes of the Jews and the Gentiles? Remember, faith comes from hearing the word, and Jesus sent Paul to preach the gospel. 1 Corinthians 1:18 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel–not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

Paul is going to open their eyes by preaching to them.


Read what Paul says in Romans 16:25-27. Now to him who is able to ESTABLISH YOU BY MY GOSPEL AND THE PROCLAMATION OF JESUS CHRIST, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, but now revealed and MADE KNOWN THROUGH THE PROPHETIC WRITINGS by the command of the eternal God, SO THAT ALL NATIONS MIGHT BELIEVE AND OBEY HIM–to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.

Paul says that God made the prophetic writings known so that all nations might believe and obey. So again, the word of God tells us that faith comes from hearing. Here are more scriptures that explain how we have to HEAR the message that saves: Acts 8:31: 10:14; 11:14; 16:31; John 9:36; Ephesians 1:13; 4:21; Titus 1:3; Colossians 1:5; 1:23.

Saxon put down the Holy Bible. You did not go against Saxon for putting down the Holy Bible, you spoke nothing of what he did; you gave him good replies and thanks, and then went against me.

I am not saying Jesus cannot speak to someone. I know Jesus can and does. I am speaking about defending the Holy Bible with the written words of God.

And with that the issue is resolved as far as I am concerned.

peace

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[God's Truth]

"Jesus does not speak against His written Word."

Agreed

"What don't you get about you went against me for defending the written Word to Saxon?"

I didn't go against you, especially not for defending the validity of the Bible.

It seems to be a misunderstanding as usual, because now you seem to be saying that one can be given faith through hearing the Word of GOD, not only through other men.(either their inspired hands, or tongues)

"What don't you get about anything we are told about Jesus must coincide with the written Word?"

I agree. I also agree that there are no new prophecies.

peace

On a side note; you said to just stop. Do you mean this nonsense, or do you mean to insinuate some insincerity on my part in any word at all?

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You told me I do not have to apologize to you. Why would I have to do that? What have I done?

If there are misunderstandings, then it is not because I have done something wrong.

Again, you are speaking kindly to Saxon and giving him thanks, while you have been reading that he puts down the Holy Bible. I have had no support from you while I went against what he was saying, even while he insulted me. That is okay, except don't go against me while I defend the Holy Bible or it IS strange. I am trying to show the importance of the written Word of God and you went against me.

Let's stop talking about it now, it has gone on too long now.

 

[popsthebuilder]

To be clear; I agree that we are to test things against the written Word of GOD.

I have confidence in your abilities, and didn't see a need in defending the Bible while you were actively doing so. If he indeed does say the Bible does not hold Truth, then I would most likely begin to attempt to discuss it with him.

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[popsthebuilder]

"You told me I do not have to apologize to you. Why would I have to do that? What have I done?"

Nothing.

You had said that you wouldn't be apologizing is all. The remark was in reference to that friend.

peace


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[glorydaz]

Good grief.....this thread has become a soap opera starring GuT and Pops......a Comedy Soap if ever there was one. :nono:

 

[Rosenritter]

Why do you persist in acting argumentative with someone who is trying very hard to be peaceable and not to argue with you?

Faith comes from HEARING.

That can be from you hearing in your own mind while you read that Bible, or hearing someone else verbally speak about the Bible.

Why are you going against the Bible?

Why are you going against me for defending what the Bible says?

 

[God's Truth]

Why do you persist in acting argumentative with someone who is trying very hard to be peaceable and not to argue with you?

Stop coming on to speak about what you think of me. What don't you get about that?

 

[Rosenritter]

Because the fruits of the spirit include love, patience, long suffering, so on and so forth, and that regardless of any technicality that you are arguing about, you have missed these weightier matters. It would be far better for you to be wrong in a point of doctrine than to be technically right and always stuck in a raging anger.

Stop coming on to speak about what you think of me. What don't you get about that?

 

[God's Truth]

Saxon spoke against the Holy Bible, and I was defending the written Word of God.

Those are your words.Jesus was a man with a 'holy spirit', he did what he could and was martyred by the Roman legal system and publicly crucified. His words where recorded in the 'minds' of the people and these where collected some 300 years later and compiled into the words you have no doubt read.

Your faith has been derived from these words and your requirement is I HAVE to be faithless because I object to your words.

My faith has arrived totally unexpectedly, as I would have said, no more than a year ago, that 'reality' denies the existence of 'God'.

This is the ministry of God, all around and within us.

To me this is ALL the faith I need and what is more it is ALL the faith my God wants/needs.

I do not have to hear any message to be saved -

God is not 'He' - God has no gender - Therefore cannot father a child - Therefore God is only 'figuratively' a father as in the birth of our 'spirit' holy or otherwise (your choice not mine).

Your 'books' words give you such great confidence that all you is define the world by that 'book' and sit at home comfortable - or at least more comfortable than 100,000's other people.

But the life of Jesus shows a PATH and the word are of a man who knows 'God' through his own spirit. He then went on to help a lot of people so that he made a very big story when the politicians of the time 'humiliated' him and 'crucified' him.

Your words are of a person who knows a 'book', and more importantly for you is that I 'bow' to the weight you and other have invested in the words writing in that book that have been altered since it was first created and it was not created until hundreds of years afters Jesus died. Jesus lived in the light of God and did his works like the 'good samaritan', he knew the destiny that awaited and with God's light upon him he could bear the trials that resulted in the bible being created.

Therefore this statement is true - This is the ministry of God, all around and within us. So it was for Jesus and so it is for us ALL.

I bet you believe everything on the news too. Everything your mother and father told you - Even 'christmas' which is a GROSS INDULGENCE in the western word.

Your 'evidence', the bible, carries only the 'spirit' of 'God' not the words. The words are how a person records the evidence of their mind as our language is not that of 'God'.

Therefore you conclusions are based on OTHER peoples words that have been deciphered into your language. Do you know how long ago you bible fir came into print? What revision number do you have? Have you read any other bible? Have you argued with another christian because of a different version of the bible?

Of course I am speaking my own words, I am not a slave to anyone else's word.

Again you judge!

PS> I do not need any book to prove God exists!!!!

No the written word of man - I said it time and time again - other mens words carrying the 'spirit' of 'God'.

You do not know the language of peace therefore you could not know that 'God' does not need you to fight with me about a book.

Once upon a time the 'Bible' did NOT EXIST - So how did the 'Bible' get written if it was REQUIRED before the knowledge of the 'One True God' could existed?

Your 'scripture' from your 'book' could not have been written without the 'book' in the fist place.
Where did your egg come from, you said that the 'book' was necessary for redemption.

PROVE IT without your book or quotes from your book. Prove it as a person, write it in your words NOT in the words of long dead people.

Because hollow faith is as bad as no faith.

Peace to you - I simply am unable to describe myself any further your lack of comprehension of my words and continued reliance on the very thing I am talking about means you and I can go no further together.

This is the ministry of God, all around and within us.
From God we come, to God we go, in this life we witness, this, God's creation.

To be 'saved' is to fully realise the words above - no more and no less.
Being 'saved' is no guarantee of any future promise.

God is God - nothing more and nothing less. No 'him' 'she' 'it' 'lord' 'king' or any other stupid word that is not the word God.

 

[God's Truth]

Because the fruits of the spirit include love, patience, long suffering, so on and so forth, and that regardless of any technicality that you are arguing about, you have missed these weightier matters. It would be far better for you to be wrong in a point of doctrine than to be technically right and always stuck in a raging anger.

What don't you get that your opinions about me are false and do not matter?

I am debating with others about the Holy Bible.

Now stop yourself.

 

[God's Truth]

May 29th, 2017 02:45 PM
Rosenritter
Thread: The Trinity
Argumentative merely for sake of disagreeing it seems. Fights with the most peaceable members on these board.


That is a neg rep I just got from Rosenritter.
He/she wants to keep judging me and falsely at that, and thinks it is wrong to debate on a debate site.

 

[God's Truth]

Good grief.....this thread has become a soap opera starring GuT and Pops......a Comedy Soap if ever there was one. :nono:

Look at that, something ugly to say from glorydaze.

Rosenritter, how about giving her a piece of your sweet rebuke.

 

[glorydaz]

Look at that, something ugly to say from glorydaze.

Rosenritter, how about giving her a piece of your sweet rebuke.

Such truths are never ugly, GuT. They are a mirror for you to look into.

 

[glorydaz]

May 29th, 2017 02:45 PM
Rosenritter
Thread: The Trinity
Argumentative merely for sake of disagreeing it seems. Fights with the most peaceable members on these board.


That is a neg rep I just got from Rosenritter.
He/she wants to keep judging me and falsely at that, and thinks it is wrong to debate on a debate site.

If there was a poll, you'd see Rosenritter is not alone in that assessment. You are THE queen of argumentative. If you have no opponent, you argue with what you claim someone says. You perceive insults where none exist. Paranoia will destroy ya.

 

[God's Truth]

If there was a poll, you'd see Rosenritter is not alone in that assessment. You are THE queen of argumentative. If you have no opponent, you argue with what you claim someone says. You perceive insults where none exist. Paranoia will destroy ya.

I couldn't care any less what you think of me.

 

[glorydaz]

I couldn't care any less what you think of me.

That right there is a LIE.


You obviously DO CARE....a great deal. Otherwise you would not keep whining all the time and expending so much energy defending YOURSELF. You are totally self-obsessed....ego centric....self-promoting....it's always all about YOU. You're a braggart and a bore.

I'm sure you have no idea of the number of people who actually have pity on you. I do. I wish you could let go of that pride. I wish you could humble yourself, and understand that people are not out to get you. They really do want to help you....but you WILL NOT have it. That's sad.

Let it go. Smile. Accept that God loves you in spite of all your faults. Trust that those of us who have seen your stuggle will support you if you simply humble yourself. You are not always right, in fact, you have a lot to learn. Listen....smile. Life is short.

 

[God's Truth]

That right there is a LIE.


You obviously DO CARE....a great deal. Otherwise you would not keep whining all the time and expending so much energy defending YOURSELF. You are totally self-obsessed....ego centric....self-promoting....it's always all about YOU. You're a braggart and a bore.

I'm sure you have no idea of the number of people who actually have pity on you. I do. I wish you could let go of that pride. I wish you could humble yourself, and understand that people are not out to get you. They really do want to help you....but you WILL NOT have it. That's sad.

Let it go. Smile. Accept that God loves you in spite of all your faults. Trust that those of us who have seen your stuggle will support you if you simply humble yourself. You are not always right, in fact, you have a lot to learn. Listen....smile. Life is short.

There is no way you could ever talk me out of obeying Jesus.

There is no way you can take me from my secure place.

 

[glorydaz]

There is no way you could ever talk me out of obeying Jesus.

I have never once tried to talk you out of obeying Jesus.

I have tried to talk you out of preaching that your obedience earns God's gift of salvation.

Your error is HUGE, because the Lord Jesus Christ is to receive ALL THE GLORY....ALL THE CREDIT....for man's salvation. So that in the ages to come, all may see the wonderful Mercy of God on His creation.

Ephesians 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.​

You are forever and constantly preaching YOUR obedience. That is your grave error, and it's dead wrong. God saves us through His kindness, and the richness of His Grace alone.

 

[glorydaz]

There is no way you can take me from my secure place.

Your place is NOT secure, and won't be, until you start giving the Lord Jesus Christ ALL THE GLORY.

 

[JudgeRightly]

There is no way you could ever talk me out of obeying Jesus.

There is no way you can take me from my secure place.

Let's say there's a war, and the command is to dig a trench around the enemy, to prepare and build up your side's forces before attacking. So, the trench is built, and the forces are ready to move in, and the command comes in to push forward and attack, but there's this one soldier who refuses to do so, so the general asks him why he isn't moving forward, and the soldier says he has his order to stay where he is. The general tells him that the orders have been updated and he needs to push forward, but the soldier refuses, saying he's going to stay where he is.

You are like that soldier, GT, the orders have been updated, and you're refusing to move forward.

Jesus came to earth only for Israel, not the world (though through His death, all were reconciled). He did not come to teach grace. He came to teach LAW. In fact, NOT ONCE in the four gospels did Jesus utter the word grace, but he did say "law" many many times. However, between the point in time where the world crucified Him on the cross and today, there was a change in the orders. The command is no longer to obey. The command is to believe only.

Something you don't seem to have come to understand is that Jesus, in His sermon on the mount, was talking about what it would be like during the Millennial Kingdom, where Christ would rule with a rod of iron. It's not talking about how we Christians should function today.

"Obedience" means you're under a law. And Paul says that we Christians are NOT under law, but under grace. And because we're under grace, nothing is unlawful. Do we sin? Yes, but we are not "sinners" as we were under the law.

“But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not!For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God.I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.” - Galatians 2:17-21 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians2:17-21&version=NKJV