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Thank you Marhig.
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Thank you Marhig.
Oh Boo Hoo another negative rep.
popsthebuilder
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What it stemmed from was me responding to you seeming to say that faith came from reading of the Holy Bible alone.
If this is your singular stance on the subject then we do disagree, but we can surely do so, and discuss, and listen, and keep an opened mind, and eyes that see, within the bounds of civil, profitable conversation.
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I haven't given you another neg rep. Are you trying to get people riled up?
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We cannot go by teachings of men. We have to go by teachings from God, as given to us in the Holy Bible.
Apologies if not.
popsthebuilder
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And those before them such as Abraham, Elias, Noah, Enoch?
There are more.... Must I really list them to my feeble capacity in order for you to see my point?
Are you drawing a line between those faithful unto GOD and those Christians faithful unto GOD?
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As does mine sister. They are two sides of the same thing that by definition has no limit of sides.
"I agree, do you also believe that they can receive revelation for themselves, so long as it coincides with the scriptures?"
That right there is what Mrs. Mary asked. I am asking the same thing. Being a question, which it is, necessitates it not being a statement or position against you but a question. I already tried to explain that my comment had nothing to do with your defence against hammers words, nor were they to be taken as defence for his words.
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God spoke to people personally, those who He found favor in.
What is your point?
We have the written Word of God and why should we pretend we do not have it?
We have to hear about the message that saves.
That is the way it is.
If someone never heard about Jesus, and that person cannot find God's written Word, then that is a different story. Saxon is putting down the written word. He has the Bible and should be grateful for it but he is not. Why are you going against me for defending what we know about?
I have no idea what you are talking about. Stop beating around the bush and speak plainly what you want to say.
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You went against me for defending the Bible to Saxon.
I will not ever apology for that.
popsthebuilder
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Just to be clear;
You believe that one can only come to faith through the hearing/ reading of scripture?
Is that correct?
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The Bible says faith comes from hearing of the message, which is the scriptures.
We can hear the scriptures by reading the Bible ourselves, or by hearing someone speak what they have read from the Holy Bible.
If Jesus speaks to someone personally, then what Jesus says, it will be found in the scriptures.
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Pops, you went against me for defending the Holy Bible to Saxon.
I did not read where you spoke up and defended the Bible to him.
I only see where you went against me in a way you should not have.
I did not read where you spoke up and defended the Bible to him.
I only see where you went against me in a way you should not have.
popsthebuilder
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What I want to say is this.
Do you deny that this still happens today?
God spoke to people personally, those who He found favor in.
That is both my point and question alone friend.
I am not attacking, but inquiring of you.
I am not defending anyone. I am asking you things. When, and if you do answer, then I will either hold my peace, or I will speak of what I know to be true, regardless of if you believe it to be contrary to scripture or not. Then, hopefully, we can discuss our different perspectives in peaceable, receptive conversation.
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popsthebuilder
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I do not ask for or expect an apology friend.
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Oh stop it, okay?
I haven't done anything wrong to you. Why should I apologize to you?
popsthebuilder
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I did not go against you.
I said one receives faith from hearing the Word of GOD, but you seem to think that the Word of GOD means scripture alone as opposed to the message that saves and the Spirit of GOD. I know you don't limit GOD, and that is why isay I am not going against you.
Again; this had nothing to do with Saxon hammer for me whatsoever.
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Jesus spoke to me.
Jesus does not speak against His written Word.
What don't you get about you went against me for defending the written Word to Saxon?
What don't you get about anything we are told about Jesus must coincide with the written Word?
There are no new prophecies.
popsthebuilder
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"Jesus does not speak against His written Word."
Agreed
"What don't you get about you went against me for defending the written Word to Saxon?"
I didn't go against you, especially not for defending the validity of the Bible.
It seems to be a misunderstanding as usual, because now you seem to be saying that one can be given faith through hearing the Word of GOD, not only through other men.(either their inspired hands, or tongues)
"What don't you get about anything we are told about Jesus must coincide with the written Word?"
I agree. I also agree that there are no new prophecies.
peace
On a side note; you said to just stop. Do you mean this nonsense, or do you mean to insinuate some insincerity on my part in any word at all?
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Again, if you have been so blessed that Jesus spoke to you before you had faith in him, then know that whatever you tell another what he said, it cannot go against the written Word.
Faith comes from hearing the message.
Our faith comes from HEARING the word, see Romans 10:17. From hearing the word and being TAUGHT, Colossians 1:5, 7. From continuing in what we have been CONVINCED of, see 2 Timothy 3:14, and being PERSUADED, 2 Corinthians 5:11. In Acts 26:17 Jesus tells Paul he is sending him to the Jews and Gentiles to OPEN THEIR EYES and turn them from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God. How do you think Paul is going to open the eyes of the Jews and the Gentiles? Remember, faith comes from hearing the word, and Jesus sent Paul to preach the gospel. 1 Corinthians 1:18 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel–not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
Paul is going to open their eyes by preaching to them.
Read what Paul says in Romans 16:25-27. Now to him who is able to ESTABLISH YOU BY MY GOSPEL AND THE PROCLAMATION OF JESUS CHRIST, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, but now revealed and MADE KNOWN THROUGH THE PROPHETIC WRITINGS by the command of the eternal God, SO THAT ALL NATIONS MIGHT BELIEVE AND OBEY HIM–to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.
Paul says that God made the prophetic writings known so that all nations might believe and obey. So again, the word of God tells us that faith comes from hearing. Here are more scriptures that explain how we have to HEAR the message that saves: Acts 8:31: 10:14; 11:14; 16:31; John 9:36; Ephesians 1:13; 4:21; Titus 1:3; Colossians 1:5; 1:23.
Saxon put down the Holy Bible. You did not go against Saxon for putting down the Holy Bible, you spoke nothing of what he did; you gave him good replies and thanks, and then went against me.
I am not saying Jesus cannot speak to someone. I know Jesus can and does. I am speaking about defending the Holy Bible with the written words of God.