The Trinity

[popsthebuilder]

I have enough faith to cope with your anxiety.

Jesus was a great MAN and the rest is rhetoric produced by men long dead.

The parables and saying of Jesus have been EDITED and TRANSLATED and AMENDED by men long dead.

'God' is and always will be.

From God we come, to God we go, we witness this the creation of God.

This is the ministry of God, all around and within us.


All the best, Sax

Your words bring to remembrance my own account. Have you studied the written word or sacred texts of any religion?

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[God's Truth]

Hi pops,

Our Lord Jesus returned to the father when he died, as he said, into your hands I commend my Spirit. So at the point of death he went straight to God, and he took the thief with him.

John 20:17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

Yes God is our judge, but Jesus says that his judgement is just, and why is that? Because he only spoke what the Father gave him to speak so he judged by the word of God. His words are Spirit and they are life and they come from the father of lights, the Almighty God.

And Christ has the same heart, mind and nature as the father, but he is still under subjection to the father and it is the father who has exalted Christ Jesus and set him at his right hand, and the head of Christ is God. So the father is the head of all including Christ.

Peace to you too my friend

Jesus is God the Father come in the flesh as a Son of Man.

They are one and they are the same.

 

[God's Truth]

Those are your words.

hahahaha

No, those are the words of the Bible just used by me without the references.

This is what I said that you said no to:

There is only one Spirit.

Here are the scriptures:

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;

The Lord is the Spirit.

That is what I said, and it is what the Bible says:

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Jesus was a man with a 'holy spirit', he did what he could and was martyred by the Roman legal system and publicly crucified.

Jesus' Spirit was the Holy Spirit.
That makes Jesus God in the flesh.

His words where recorded in the 'minds' of the people and these where collected some 300 years later and compiled into the words you have no doubt read. Your faith has been derived from these words and your requirement is I HAVE to be faithless because I object to your words.

What?

My faith has arrived totally unexpectedly, as I would have said, no more than a year ago, that 'reality' denies the existence of 'God'.

Faith is from God, from reading His powerful message, the Bible, the New Testament. It has the powerful message that saves. We do not get faith supernaturally, as many teach, but we get faith in a very human way, from reading the supernatural message.

Our faith comes from HEARING the word, see Romans 10:17. From hearing the word and being TAUGHT, Colossians 1:5, 7. From continuing in what we have been CONVINCED of, see 2 Timothy 3:14, and being PERSUADED, 2 Corinthians 5:11

That is God's Truth.

This is the ministry of God, all around and within us.

To me this is ALL the faith I need and what is more it is ALL the faith my God wants/needs.

From God we come, to God we go, we witness, this the creation of God.

All the best, Sax

You have to hear the message that saves to be saved.

 

[JudgeRightly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-eafbMbjp8

 

[KingdomRose]

Jesus came from heaven.

Jesus is God the Father with a body.

Jesus is the I Am in the Old Testament, and in the New Testament.

That is a bold-faced lie. Jesus did come from heaven, but it is ludicrous to say that he is the Father with a body! He said he was FROM the Father, and after he was resurrected he RETURNED to the Father in heaven. He prayed TO the Father. He wasn't the "I Am" of the O.T. either, and never had that even as a thought in his mind.

 

[KingdomRose]

The OT calls Him Father, so yes, absolutely. However, you never find God being called "Son" before Bethlehem. The reason is because He wasn't a Son until he was born to Mary. Jesus was the Father of the OT becoming a man.


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Ridiculous. I thought I'd heard it all! If Jesus was the Father, who did he pray to? Who resurrected him from the dead? Why did he say that he was FROM the Father, and the Father SENT him?

 

[KingdomRose]

Many people here say that Jesus is God.
Many people here say that Jesus is not the Father.
Many people here say it was Jesus speaking in the Old Testament.

I have proven with scripture that God in the Old Testament is called "the Father".
That then proves, since Jesus is God, and since it is Jesus speaking in the Old Testament, it is right to say Jesus is God the Father.

But you have NOT proven that Jesus is God! Therefore, it is NOT right to say that Jesus is God the Father.

 

[KingdomRose]

I don't doubt your experience with the JW's since in all circles in life there is always bad, even among Christians and followers of Christ. We must remember however, that just because there are always rotten apples in a bunch of apples it doesn't mean that all the apples are bad. Among Jesus closest companions he had Judas Iscariot, a thief and a betrayer, does such a wicked man also discredit his companions?

We cannot earn salvation. As I mentioned earlier worldly organisation offer many free prize draws, it costs absolutely nothing to enter these prize draws and when/if you receive the gift, no amount of work provided that gift for you, since to enter the prize draw was free. However, prize draws always have T&C, this doesn't negate the fact that the prize draw along with the gift is free does it now.

I showed you the scriptures, you made no mention of them, they clearly show that obedience to Gods T&C's are needed in order to receive the free gift, JUST like a modern day free prize draw.

Since you clearly deny scripture can you answer simple some simple questions.

According to Hebrews 5:9 is Jesus responsible for the handing out the free gift of eternal life only to people who obey him?

(Hebrews 5:9) "..And after he had been made perfect, he became responsible for everlasting salvation to all those obeying him.."

Regarding the commission to preach(Matt 28:19 and obedience coming into play) we have Romans 10:10 which reads "For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation". Do we need to publicly declare Jesus for salvation according to Romans 10:10?

According to Matt 7:21 will those who DO NOT do the will of God enter in the Kingdom? “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. (Matthew 7:21)

Another scripture to study Lon.

(Hebrews 10:36) "...For you need endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the fulfillment of the promise..."

I don't believe Lon's stories about JWs for a minute. You say they are "bad." Nothing could be further from the truth. Jesus said that all manner of lies would be told about his true followers, and we should be happy because "in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to you." (Matt.5:11,12)

 

[KingdomRose]

The three are One.

One means 'the same'.

No it doesn't. It means "unified." And anyway, IJohn 5:7 is spurious, not found in earlier manuscripts.

 

[KingdomRose]

Hi pops,

Our Lord Jesus returned to the father when he died, as he said, into your hands I commend my Spirit. So at the point of death he went straight to God, and he took the thief with him.

Yes God is our judge, but Jesus says that his judgement is just, and why is that? Because he only spoke what the Father gave him to speak so he judged by the word of God. His words are Spirit and they are life and they come from the father of lights, the Almighty God.

And Christ has the same heart, mind and nature as the father, but he is still under subjection to the father and it is the father who has exalted Christ Jesus and set him at his right hand, and the head of Christ is God. So the father is the head of all including Christ.

Peace to you too my friend

At the point of death Jesus did NOT "go straight to God." He was DEAD and stayed that way for three days. Then he was resurrected by God and stayed on the earth for another 40 days. Check the scriptures. He did say that he commended his spirit to the Father, and he "gave up the spirit," but that simply meant that the spirit that he had was the life-force given by the Father to keep him alive, not something that separated from him at death and was conscious somewhere else. There is nothing in the account about his death and resurrection that indicates that he went "straight to God" and took the thief with him! Luke 23:43 is sadly misconstrued because of a lousy comma! Take the comma out (there are no punctuation marks in Greek) and you have Jesus simply telling the thief that he would be in Paradise....not "today," but eventually---when he got into his kingdom.

 

[keypurr]

That's really dumb.

I understand why you would think that way.



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[keypurr]

The NAME refers to their AUTHORITY. It's very easy to see to anyone that isn't looking to twist the plain meaning.

Since the three (Father AND son AND Holy Ghost) all have the SAME AUTHORITY it is easy to understand that they are all the ONE GOD.

Assumption will get you no where.

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[God's Truth]

That is a bold-faced lie. Jesus did come from heaven, but it is ludicrous to say that he is the Father with a body! He said he was FROM the Father, and after he was resurrected he RETURNED to the Father in heaven. He prayed TO the Father. He wasn't the "I Am" of the O.T. either, and never had that even as a thought in his mind.

There are three, and the three are one, and one means the same.

You need to go think about it some more.

 

[God's Truth]

Ridiculous. I thought I'd heard it all! If Jesus was the Father, who did he pray to? Who resurrected him from the dead? Why did he say that he was FROM the Father, and the Father SENT him?

God the Father came AS A MAN. Who but God the Father in heaven should a man pray to?

Answer that question.

 

[God's Truth]

But you have NOT proven that Jesus is God! Therefore, it is NOT right to say that Jesus is God the Father.

I have come to know the truth.

If you would engage in a deep discussion, a discussion based more than on you saying no way, then maybe I can get you to understand why I say what I do.

Answer this question:

Do you have the Holy Spirit living inside you?

 

[God's Truth]

I don't believe Lon's stories about JWs for a minute. You say they are "bad." Nothing could be further from the truth. Jesus said that all manner of lies would be told about his true followers, and we should be happy because "in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to you." (Matt.5:11,12)

You said that I was a liar.

Maybe you should be more careful how you judge.

 

[God's Truth]

No it doesn't. It means "unified." And anyway, IJohn 5:7 is spurious, not found in earlier manuscripts.

Are you denying that there are three?

 

[Bright Raven]

Are you denying that there are three?

You do.

 

[God's Truth]

At the point of death Jesus did NOT "go straight to God." He was DEAD and stayed that way for three days. Then he was resurrected by God and stayed on the earth for another 40 days. Check the scriptures. He did say that he commended his spirit to the Father, and he "gave up the spirit," but that simply meant that the spirit that he had was the life-force given by the Father to keep him alive, not something that separated from him at death and was conscious somewhere else. There is nothing in the account about his death and resurrection that indicates that he went "straight to God" and took the thief with him! Luke 23:43 is sadly misconstrued because of a lousy comma! Take the comma out (there are no punctuation marks in Greek) and you have Jesus simply telling the thief that he would be in Paradise....not "today," but eventually---when he got into his kingdom.

You speak as one who does not know the scriptures and does not know God.

Spirits do not die.

Jesus' Spirit is the Spirit of God.

When Jesus died on the cross, he was alive in the Spirit and went to Hell/prison, and there he preached the gospel there, then he raised himself.

 

[God's Truth]

You do.

There are three, and the three are one, and one means the same.