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intojoy

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Nah......Easily done. My pride detector is in good working order. It goes to clanging whenever I hear something like this, "I know Jesus' wisdom thoroughly." Even if it was Meshak's mirror image that wrote it.

Whoops, I thought you were GD - god's truth. My bad.


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God's Truth

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Let me be clear. I DO NOT think that Jesus threw out any teaching.

I DO think that Jesus' plan for Israel was put on hold, and that He changed his timing on his plan for the Gentiles (hence Paul's conversion).

The plan for salvation and Jesus coming to earth was planned before the creation of anything, and you think Jesus put the plan on hold and changed it?
 

God's Truth

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Actually, I not only think that, I know it, because that's what the Bible says.

He threw nothing out, just changed things around. See the parable of the barren fig tree.

Also:

*I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. *God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, *“Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? *But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” *Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. *And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.*What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. - Romans 11:1-7http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...7&version=Nkjv

Why did God put a hold on His plan for Israel, and cut them off (if only temporarily), and graft in the Gentiles?

Because:

Because He didn’t.

Paul is explaining how the Jews are not all cut off forever.

Paul explains that if Jews were all cut off then he would not have been saved.

It must have seemed as if God cut off the Jews forever, but Paul assures us that He did not.

As for the temporarily part, that is about God cutting off unbelieving Jews.

God cut off unbelieving Jews WHILE Jesus was on earth. They all have a chance to be saved since Jesus was crucified.
Jesus came first for all those who already belonged to God by faith.
 

God's Truth

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Post the verse and we'll look at context so that we can understand what is being said.

John 13:17 Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.

Luke 11:28 Jesus says, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."

Luke 8:21 But he replied to them, "My mother and my brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it."

John 15:14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

1 John 3:24 Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.


Do you think Jesus’ words are changed and put off?
 

God's Truth

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Nah......Easily done. My pride detector is in good working order. It goes to clanging whenever I hear something like this, "I know Jesus' wisdom thoroughly." Even if it was Meshak's mirror image that wrote it.

So tell me, do you think you know Jesus' wisdom thoroughly? What are you doing trying to teach others if you do not think you know Jesus' teachings thoroughly?

You want to put down people when you do the same thing.
 
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God's Truth

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We hear it all the time how the worker bees rely on their own righteousness and obedience

If that were even remotely true you would not reject GOD's appointed ministry He gave to us through the apostle Paul.

What if you are wrong about something, what is going to happen to you?
 

God's Truth

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We hear it all the time how the worker bees rely on their own righteousness and obedience

Those who obey Jesus' words are following what the Way says to do. Jesus' words are powerful, his words are life.

Why do you keep calling it our righteousness? It is God's words we are doing and not our own words.
 

Tambora

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Those who obey Jesus' words are following what the Way says to do. Jesus' words are powerful, his words are life.

Why do you keep calling it our righteousness? It is God's words we are doing and not our own words.
What do you not understand about the rod of Aaron?
 

meshak

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Because I cannot know your life outside of this forum I would like to ask what kind of fruit have you produced today?

As usual, you go down to worldly judgement.

You seem to be blind about what is going on in your Christian community.

It is clear to the world.

Closing your eyes to evil deeds is not loving, friend. It is called cowardly.

Your blindness to your hypocritical churches are sure sign of lukewarmness.

You know what Jesus says about lukewarmenss?

You finished Bible college, you ought to know how to use Jesus' wisdom dear.
 

meshak

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John 13:17 Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.

Luke 11:28 Jesus says, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."

Luke 8:21 But he replied to them, "My mother and my brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it."

John 15:14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

1 John 3:24 Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.


Do you think Jesus’ words are changed and put off?

way to go sister:)
 

God's Truth

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What do you not understand about the rod of Aaron?

What would you like to discuss concerning the rod of Aaron?

Notice that you want to talk a lot about Old Testament things, like the locusts, and Aaron's rod---but you go against me for preaching repent and obedience. What do you think was the constant command and pleas from God?
 

Tambora

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What would you like to discuss concerning the rod of Aaron?

Notice that you want to talk a lot about Old Testament things, like the locusts, and Aaron's rod---but you go against me for preaching repent and obedience. What do you think was the constant command and pleas from God?
What is it you do not get about Aaron's parents?
 

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So tell me, do you think you know Jesus' wisdom thoroughly? What are you do doing trying to teach others if you do not think you know Jesus' teachings thoroughly?

You want to put down people when you do the same thing.

Boasting is excluded by the law of faith.

Romans 3:26-28KJV
To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.​
 

God's Truth

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Boasting is excluded by the law of faith.

Romans 3:26-28KJV
To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.​

You misunderstand what I said. You put someone down for their believing they had the truth. What is it you think you have?
 

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The plan for salvation and Jesus coming to earth was planned before the creation of anything, and you think Jesus put the plan on hold and changed it?

Just because he planned to do something doesn't mean that he has to follow through with it if the circumstances change, or do you believe that God is locked in to what he plans? That seems like a very incapable God, one that cannot adapt to events. We know that God is capable.

Remember what He said back in Jeremiah?

*The word which came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying: *“Arise and go down to the potter’s house, and there I will cause you to hear My words.” *Then I went down to the potter’s house, and there he was, making something at the wheel. *And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter; so he made it again into another vessel, as it seemed good to the potter to make.*Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying: *“O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter?” says the Lord. “Look, as the clay is in the potter’s hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel! *The instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, to pull down, and to destroy it, *if that nation against whom I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I thought to bring upon it. *And the instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it, *if it does evil in My sight so that it does not obey My voice, then I will relent concerning the good with which I said I would benefit it. - Jeremiah 18:1-10 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah18:1-10&version=NKJV
 
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