The Trinity

[God's Truth]

See, Steko is trying to teach you something that is crucial to this error you keep preaching.

You don't even want to talk about it. That is a shame...a horrible shame.

Why won't steko read the scriptures I gave and discuss them?

 

[glorydaz]

I'm speaking about the Scriptural definition of the word 'Christ' which means 'anointed'.

The word is used of several different people in Scripture other than Jesus of Nazareth.

Yep, Messiah or Christ (in the Greek). Two off the top of my head.

2 Samuel 1:16
And David said unto him, Thy blood be upon thy head; for thy mouth hath testified against thee, saying, I have slain the Lord's anointed.

1 Samuel 24:6 And he said unto his men, The Lord forbid that I should do this thing unto my master, the Lord's anointed, to stretch forth mine hand against him, seeing he is the anointed of the Lord.​

 

[glorydaz]

Why won't steko read the scriptures I gave and discuss them?

Because we're sick of you not addressing what is given to you. You always want to point somewhere else, and it never makes the point you want to make. Rabbit trails is what I think they're called.

For once in your life....respond to what is given you, and do NOT go off on your tangents.

You don't address what's given because what's given proves you wrong. Address what is given...then respond to what is given again....address what's given, and respond to what's given.

 

[God's Truth]

Because we're sick of you not addressing what is given to you. You always want to point somewhere else, and it never makes the point you want to make. Rabbit trails is what I think they're called.

For once in your life....respond to what is given you, and do NOT go off on your tangents.

You don't address what's given because what's given proves you wrong. Address what is given...then respond to what is given again....address what's given, and respond to what's given.

I did address what he said. All the saved are anointed with the Holy Spirit, but I am speaking only of Christ right now.

Steko wants to use the fact that others are anointed. Others being anointed does not make Jesus not God/Lord/Spirit.

If steko would address the scriptures I gave he would see that.

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

AMR, I am not what you say I am and my life is nothing as you have dreamed up in your imagination.

Of course you are exactly as I describe.

See:
http://theologyonline.com/search.php?searchid=649302

From early morning, with a short break between 5ish PM and 8ish PM (for food I hope), then onward to the late evening now. Nearly 100 posts today. This trend repeats itself daily. TOL is consuming you. It is sad.

You really need to get a real life outside of the computer screen. I can see making an exception for the bedridden or similarly debilitated invalid. So if this describes your situation, then never mind. Does it?

AMR

 

[God's Truth]

Of course you are exactly as I describe.

See:
http://theologyonline.com/search.php?searchid=649302

From early morning, with a short break between 5ish PM and 8ish PM (for food I hope), then onward to the late evening now. This trend repeats itself daily.

You really need to get a real life outside of the computer screen. I can see making an exception for the bedridden or similarly debilitated invalid. So if this describes your situation, then never mind. Does it?

AMR

You are stalking me.

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

You are stalking me.

Says the lady who never misses a chance to weigh in where I have done so. :AMR:

No, I am trying to get you to face the harsh reality of your daily behaviors in the hope that you will make amends for your own good. I have pointed out to you how you flood the site with every thought that pops into your noggin. It is not stalking if a person is forced to bump into you at every turn.

A tip: do not respond to stalkers. Do not enable them. Take my advice and resist the temptation of having the last word. Let's see if you can do so...just once.

AMR

 

[God's Truth]

Says the lady who never misses a chance to weigh in were I have done so. :AMR:

No, I am trying to get you to face the harsh reality of your daily behaviors in the hope that you will make amends for your own good.

A tip: do not respond to stalkers. Do not enable them. Take my advice and resist the temptation of having the last word. Let's see if you can do so...just once.

AMR

Do you know what a delusional stalker sounds like?

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

Do you know what a delusional stalker sounds like?

See what I mean? You respond before the post in question has been completed. Ready. Fire. Aim. Do better.

AMR

 

[God's Truth]

See what I mean? You respond before the post in question has been completed. Ready. Fire. Aim. Do better.

AMR

You made a post and are harassing me for responding to it.

 

[glorydaz]

Why won't steko read the scriptures I gave and discuss them?

I just went back and read them. There is nothing there to discuss. No one is arguing that Jesus Christ is God...always has been....always will be. No one is arguing He was there in the wilderness. So all that expounding was worth nothing. It ignores the fact that Christ means Messiah - Anointed One.

Believers having the Holy Spirit dwell in them has nothing to do with the Messiah/Christ. We are merely earthen vessels, and the anointing of earthen vessels never made them a Messiah. Men were anointed as Kings, Priests, and Prophets, but they weren't the ANOINTED ONE, the Messiah sent by God.

So, what is your understanding of the word CHRIST? Why was Jesus called the Messiah?

 

[glorydaz]

I did address what he said. All the saved are anointed with the Holy Spirit, but I am speaking only of Christ right now.

Steko wants to use the fact that others are anointed. Others being anointed does not make Jesus not God/Lord/Spirit.

If steko would address the scriptures I gave he would see that.

Why would God need to be anointed? I'm pretty sure that is the point Steko is making.

 

[glorydaz]

Says the lady who never misses a chance to weigh in were I have done so. :AMR:

No, I am trying to get you to face the harsh reality of your daily behaviors in the hope that you will make amends for your own good. I have pointed out to you how you flood the site with every thought that pops into your noggin. It is not stalking if a person is forced to bump into you at every turn.

A tip: do not respond to stalkers. Do not enable them. Take my advice and resist the temptation of having the last word. Let's see if you can do so...just once.

AMR

Not even once... :sigh:

 

[God's Truth]

I just went back and read them. There is nothing there to discuss. No one is arguing that Jesus Christ is God...always has been....always will be. No one is arguing He was there in the wilderness. So all that expounding was worth nothing. It ignores the fact that Christ means Messiah - Anointed One.

Believers having the Holy Spirit dwell in them has nothing to do with the Messiah/Christ. We are merely earthen vessels, and the anointing of earthen vessels never made them a Messiah. Men were anointed as Kings, Priests, and Prophets, but they weren't the ANOINTED ONE, the Messiah sent by God.

So, what is your understanding of the word CHRIST? Why was Jesus called the Messiah?

This is what I posted and steko ignored:



All these scriptures I am going to post are about the same time in the desert. They are scriptures from different books, but they are all about the same time in the desert.
Read this scripture, it says we should not test CHRIST:

1 Corinthians 10:9 We should not test Christ, as some of them did--and were killed by snakes.


Did you read that? Jesus is Christ, agree? That scripture shows us that Christ was in the desert with Moses.

Now read this scripture:
Exodus 17:2
Therefore the people quarreled with Moses and said, "Give us water that we may drink." And Moses said to them, "Why do you quarrel with me? Why do you test the LORD?"

Did you read that?

MOSES says why you test the LORD.

Test who?

Christ.

Test who?

The LORD.

Now read this scripture:

Psalm 106:14
But craved intensely in the wilderness, And tempted God in the desert.

Did you read that?

Test who in the desert?

TESTED GOD.

Read this scripture:

Psalm 95:9
"When your fathers tested Me, They tried Me, though they had seen My work.

Tested who?

Tested Me.

Who is Me?

Me is God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son.

So then, we can see that Christ is the LORD God the Father.

Christ means God/Lord/Spirit.
That is who God is; He is God, Lord, Spirit.
That is who Jesus is; He is God, Lord, Spirit.
There is only one God and He is the Father.
Jesus is that one and same God the Father come in the flesh as a Man.
Jesus is the Christ, the Lord God and Father.

 

[God's Truth]

Why would God need to be anointed? I'm pretty sure that is the point Steko is making.

God the Father came as a Man. He really came as a man and had to grow and learn as humans do. People could have the Holy Spirit and also anointed with power of the Holy Spirit. Jesus had the Holy Spirit and was anointed with power, and so were the apostles before starting their earthly ministry.

 

[glorydaz]

This is what I posted and steko ignored:

Spoiler

All these scriptures I am going to post are about the same time in the desert. They are scriptures from different books, but they are all about the same time in the desert.
Read this scripture, it says we should not test CHRIST:

1 Corinthians 10:9 We should not test Christ, as some of them did--and were killed by snakes.


Did you read that? Jesus is Christ, agree? That scripture shows us that Christ was in the desert with Moses.

Now read this scripture:
Exodus 17:2
Therefore the people quarreled with Moses and said, "Give us water that we may drink." And Moses said to them, "Why do you quarrel with me? Why do you test the LORD?"

Did you read that?

MOSES says why you test the LORD.

Test who?

Christ.

Test who?

The LORD.

Now read this scripture:

Psalm 106:14
But craved intensely in the wilderness, And tempted God in the desert.

Did you read that?

Test who in the desert?

TESTED GOD.

Read this scripture:

Psalm 95:9
"When your fathers tested Me, They tried Me, though they had seen My work.

Tested who?

Tested Me.

Who is Me?

Me is God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son.

So then, we can see that Christ is the LORD God the Father.

Christ means God/Lord/Spirit.
That is who God is; He is God, Lord, Spirit.
That is who Jesus is; He is God, Lord, Spirit.
There is only one God and He is the Father.
Jesus is that one and same God the Father come in the flesh as a Man.
Jesus is the Christ, the Lord God and Father.

I know, I told you I just went back and read it. :doh:

IT has NOTHING to do with the subject at hand.



There is no there there, except your conclusions which are WRONG.

Except for more major error. - "Christ means God/Lord/Spirit."

 

[God's Truth]

I know, I told you I just went back and read it. :doh:

IT has NOTHING to do with the subject at hand.



There is no there there, except your conclusions which are WRONG.

Except for more major error. - "Christ means God/Lord/Spirit."

You are not paying good enough attention.

Read this scripture:

1 Corinthians 10:9 We should not test Christ, as some of them did--and were killed by snakes.

Did you read it?

Did you read how Paul says we should not test CHRIST?

Did you read how Paul says AS SOME OF THEM did in the desert with Moses?

The LORD God is called Christ. The LORD God is the Father.

They are all the same and Christ means God/Lord/Father.

Psalm 95:9
"When your fathers tested Me, They tried Me, though they had seen My work.

Psalm 106:14
But craved intensely in the wilderness, And tempted God in the desert.

Exodus 17:2
Therefore the people quarreled with Moses and said, "Give us water that we may drink." And Moses said to them, "Why do you quarrel with me? Why do you test the LORD?"

Those four scriptures are speaking about the same time in the desert, but one time the word 'Christ' is used, one time the word 'Me', one time the word 'LORD', and one time the word God.

That proves the word Christ means the same as LORD and God. The Father is 'Me', and so Christ is also Father.

 

[popsthebuilder]

The problem for you is that, while in the flesh, Jesus was still God with a Divine nature. God can no more take off His Deity than man can take off his Humanity.

As I said, you don't acknowledge Jesus Christ is the ONE LORD GOD AND SAVIOUR.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and dwelt among us...

It's nothing but stubborn pride that keeps you from believing what is so clearly written even a young child could see it. Only the cults claim Jesus is a "lesser God". And no matter how you try to disguise it, that's what you're claiming.

Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God, and you refuse to believe it. We saw God when He became flesh and dwelt among us.

You are making things up.

Please do not accuse me of denying Christ my Lord and Savior.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I almost missed this post. Sometimes posts do not register on my computer until later, and if I did not venture back I would not have seen this. What you wrote and shared is so personal, and deep, and meaningful, and no words from me will rightly convey how much I appreciate it. I see now what you mean by you were given hope and faith. You cried out to God to help you and He did.

I would say you did already repent of your sins because you did want to stop sinning. Would you agree? It seems to be you were saved and given the Holy Spirit.

I would agree, yes.

Thank you humbly for not attacking my testimony.

....peace

 

[Clete]

You say Jesus died spiritually and too physically and is now in human form with GOD....yhen you say He, as man, is GOD.

That really makes no sense.

That's the gospel, pops! I mean that is the core belief of the entire Christian faith. That God came to man, in the form of a man so that He could die the death we deserve. The fact that is was God doing the dying (i.e. not just a man) is what makes the death sufficient to satisfy justice and pay the sin debt for the whole of mankind.

I Corinthians 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect. 18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”

20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.​

GOD did not die. It is what all existence is subsisted by; if it died then all existence would die. If you think the Spirit of Jesus died then you are in great error. If you think GOD died then you are very very confused.

I just read the bible and believe what it teaches. God the Son died. His soul/spirit was separated from both His physical body and from the Father. This is what it means to die. It does not mean that one ceases to exist nor does it mean that the universe would wink out of existence if God the Son spent three days in the grave (i.e. in the place of the righteous dead). Why would it mean that?

The Spirit is eternal; not man, not creation. The spirit of Jesus is eternal because it is the Spirit of GOD.

No one denies this. Your meaning of the word 'eternal' is clearly classical in nature which is unbiblical but in the context of this discussion, it is not in dispute nor is it even relevant. The fact that God the Son died on that cross and spent three days separated from both His body and from the Father has nothing to do with the infinite, never beginning and never ending, nature of God.

It is disheartening to know that you limit GOD to creation and man; so much so that you actually think GOD died and man is the Spirit.

I couldn't care less what you think is disheartening, pops. You aren't going to shame me into altering my doctrine. Besides, the same one Who died is the same One who created everything (John 1). How could that possibly be construed by anyone as having limited God to creation?

Resting in Him,
Clete