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Jesus was not made like His brethren in ALL respects. You just try to force that upon Him. Shame on you.
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Jesus was not made like His brethren in ALL respects. You just try to force that upon Him. Shame on you.
You must not be able to read very well, because that's not what I said.
I said "to fulfill the righteous demands of justice." Remember this?:
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 6:23 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans6:23&version=NKJV
And:
For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s. - 1 Corinthians 6:20 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians6:20&version=NKJV
And:
You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men. - 1 Corinthians 7:23 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians7:23&version=NKJV
And:
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. - 1 John 4:10 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1John4:10&version=NKJV
And:
who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, - 1 Timothy 2:6 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Timothy2:6&version=NKJV
To the Law, which requires payment for breaking it.
Says the one who cannot even quote scripture to defend his beliefs, let alone to attempt to refute the arguments made against his points.
Who gave it to you?
So when did you accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior?
So then you're not really a Christian?
Because:
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Romans 10:17 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans10:17&version=NKJV
So you're telling me to lie to you? No thanks.
I'd rather tell the truth and you be offended than to lie to you and you go to hell because of it.
Jesus is Truth. But He is also the "rock of offence."
The truth is offensive to those who hate the truth.
I'm not interested in what some dead guy believed while he was on Earth, because he knows the truth now, regardless of where he is.
I'm interested in discussing what the Bible actually says, not what some pagan philosophers said the Bible says.
So please, if you're going to respond to my posts, address the points presented, and provide scripture to back up your beliefs.
popsthebuilder
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Ephesians 6: 6. Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; 9. And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him. 12. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 16. Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17. And take the helmet of salvation,
and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18. Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; - Bible Offline
1Mind1Spirit
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So then..... he wasn't 100% man?
1Mind1Spirit
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Is the Law the Word of God?
God's Truth
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Even if you only heard about Jesus as a child, I am sure you thought of Jesus your whole life since then, maybe a little?
You heard something, you say,and it gave you faith. What did you hear? We have to believe and have faith before we are saved. Paul on the road to Damascus finally believed in Jesus when Jesus met him there---but Paul still had to hear and obey Jesus and repent of his sins to be saved.
You can either hear God's word by someone speaking it to you, or you can hear it while you read it in the Bible, even in your own mind.
God's Truth
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Right. God made Himself like us. Jesus was made like us. We humans are made from flesh and blood from our father and mother and God gives us our own spirit. Jesus received his flesh side from Mary and his Spirit was from God, God's Spirit.
Romans 1:3 regarding His Son, who was a descendant of David according to flesh, 4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by His resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.
Through Jesus' resurrection and ascension, we see that Jesus' Spirit was God's.
God came as a Man. That Man is called the Son of God.
popsthebuilder
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Think what you will.
GOD will show you when you die; hopefully before.
What don't you get about if Jesus as man wad the literal utter fullness of GOD, and you believe HE wanted Himself to die physically on the cross by the hands of man that it must too be true that god sent god as a sacrifice to god. How blind cambium really be. Is your mind so bereft of independent cognition that you cannot see the very basic flaws in the doctrines given you by mere man?
You don't offend me; you only hurt yourself.
To the law you say; who's law?
I can and do show scripture when needed.
What do you want me to refute with scripture? That the Trinity is salvific? Or the subsidiary nature of Jesus to GOD, or the singularity of the Spirit of GOD; what? Name it.....i dare you.
You seem really blind when you say things like "you aren't a Christian because you didn't hear the Word of GOD" when I specifically stated that I heard the Word of GOD directly. You seem hard of hearing when you ask " from who".
So I say again; I did hear the Word of GOD directly.
I did not tell you to lie, and would never; I told you to be wary of speaking so crossly about the origins of my faith in GOD; as it is of GOD, and you even mistakenly accusing it of being of some man is something I would hope to never do myself for fear of the repercussions of my actions and words upon judgement.
Jesus is Truth. But He is also the "rock of offence".
Indeed; if you only knew the breadth of those words.
I admitted GOD my Savior as I simultaneously bursted into tears of utter joy and glee of which I never knew possible immediately upon and during reception of faith and revelation.
I agree too that the truth is offensive to those who rather live in a lie.
News flash; that dead guy was the the reason for the first creed, and was the "opposition" to the other dead men that came up with the trinity and the creed.
What pagan are you referencing please? Arius was Christian.
I would love to speak about what the Bible actually says; just as soon as you actually want to hear it.
You made no point worth refuting with scripture...
Maybe next time.
In what way do you believe Jesus was different from his brethren?
He had to be potty trained like any other child.
popsthebuilder
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I had repented beforehand and too pleased and hoped on GOD, Jesus, and Christ in desperate need and in sincere hope.
(I separate Them above to denote my mindset and ignorance at that time, as I was still some sort of atheist or agnostic.)
If you like; i can send you a copy of my attempted recounting of the event that took place, privately.
I won't be posting it here without the consent of the author ofnthis thread though.
Just let me know...
God's Truth
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Jesus' Spirit was God's Spirit come as an infant and had to grow and learn as all humans do. Jesus' Spirit is God's Spirit. No one can get around that truth. There is only one divine Spirit, and that divine Spirit is Jesus.
Humans might be able to clone their flesh, but they cannot clone their spirit. God is the Father of all spirits, but His Son's Spirit is His Spirit.
God's Truth
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God speaking in the old testament is the word of God.
I can, but what's the use?
1Mind1Spirit
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GT will like this.... he also had to learn obedience.
God's Truth
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God did send His Son to die; and, this Son is God the Father come in the flesh.
So what you are trying to reason to JR is that if Jesus isn't God the Father, then God sent His Son to die and not Himself, therefore He did a pagan thing.
Good for you, Popsthebuilder, good for you!
1Mind1Spirit
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Yep and some of it concerned God Himself and some of it concerned His Son.
God's Truth
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God spoke of coming Himself, as a Man.
If God the Father did not come Himself as a Man, then He sacrificed His Son, the thing He never thought of doing, according to His word. He sacrificed Himself.
God's Truth
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...because humans have to learn...and that is what God did, He came as a real human.
God's Truth
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You can't if you want God's Truth and not some religion's truth.
God's Truth
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Jeremiah 19:5 They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal--something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.