The Trinity

[lifeisgood]

The bible nowhere uses the word trinity nor does it explicitly teach it anywhere in scripture, nowhere does scripture state God is three persons who is One God or anything even remotely close to that.

You can find the Triunity of God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) all throughout the Bible, that is, if you want to see it. Nowhere in the Bible will you find Jesus is Michael the Archangel, but you follow such doctrine. Imagine that.

 

[God's Truth]

In a murder trial invloving more than one suspect there may be evidence to suggest that two indivduals committed the murder even though one of the suspects is completely innocent. Does the evidence that the innocent suspect was the murderer mean that he somehow isn't innoect? No, why because evidence doesn't always tell the whole story.

Likewise the trinity doctrine does have evidence although its not hard evidence, it's certainly not correct in my opinion not because of the evidence but because of evidence against it. Does that mean that because I use the same method of exegesis in relation to a single biblical understanding mean that I'm incorrect, plainly no since the evidence t suggest that Jesus is an spiritual being separate from God fits more in line with Jesus possibly being Michael. I wouldn't bet my life on it that Jesus is Michael, but it is an extremely high possibility.

You both are false.

 

[lifeisgood]

In light of all this people still believe in the trinity doctrine even though there is no direct or clear teaching of it. People, such as yourself will rely on other less indirect evidence in support for such a belief.

I can find the Triunity of God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) all throughout the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible will you find Jesus is Michael the Archangel, but you follow such doctrine.

 

[God's Truth]

You have made up such a scripture when you, gt, says, "I, gt, obey ALL of Jesus' commandments" and Jesus said 'sell everything you have.' Think about it for a little bit, gt.

It is my gospel from the Lord who saved me.

Now deal with the scriptures and what you said.

You said it is the gospel only given to Paul, but I gave you many scriptures where Paul calls it 'our' gospel.

 

[lifeisgood]

Likewise the Bible does not directly teach that Jesus is Micheal the Archangel the same way it doesn't teach God is a trinity. What we have however are a number of verses that seem to allude and imply that Jesus is the Michael the Archangel the same way others conclude God is a trinity.

However, I can find the Triunity of God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) all throughout the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible will you find Jesus is Michael the Archangel, but you follow such doctrine.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I'll provide you with a scripture that says Jesus is an Archangel if you can show me a scripture that states God is a trinity.

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. - Matthew 28:18-20 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew28:18-20&version=NKJV

Now, where's your verse.

 

[lifeisgood]

What you have to remember however is that if I found out tomorrow that Jesus 100% could not be Michael the Archangel it wouldn't change my belief system in the slightest. Jesus being Michael to a JW is like arguing whether or not the fruit Adam and Eve ate was an apple or unknown fruit, it doesn't really matter what it was because it doesn't change anything.

How sad that you have placed your salvation in Jesus being Michael the Archangel and you have said that there is not a verse in the Bible where an Archangel has saved anyone.

So, who is your Savior in your doctrine?

 

[lifeisgood]

So like I said I'll provide you with a scripture that says Jesus is an Archangel if you can show me a scripture that states God is a trinity.

The Bible has tons of verses about the Triunity of God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).

You cannot even provide me with one verse in the Bible about Jesus being Michael the Archangel.

 

[God's Truth]

Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”He said to Him, “Which ones?” Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” - Matthew 19:16-21 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew19:16-21&version=NKJV

Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ”And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.”So when Jesus heard these things, He said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” - Luke 18:18-22 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke18:18-22&version=NKJV

Hahahaha What is your point?

We all know that scripture.

You claim Jesus is telling all to sell all they have and give it to the poor, but you do not acknowledge how Jesus tells him to come follow him.

Jesus had a traveling ministry during the laying of the foundation.

The rich man was in front of Jesus and could not leave all and follow God in the flesh.

No one has to be a traveling minister anymore, the foundation has been laid.

 

[God's Truth]

You can find the Triunity of God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) all throughout the Bible, that is, if you want to see it. Nowhere in the Bible will you find Jesus is Michael the Archangel, but you follow such doctrine. Imagine that.

You believe in the trinity doctrine. Show where there are three different Gods making one, and I will show you three being same and only One God.

 

[lifeisgood]

All should observe how you refuse to give a scripture.

You are the one who proudly proclaim that you obey ALL of Jesus' commandments and He commanded 'sell all you have.' Take a deep breath first, please, and think about that for a moment.

 

[lifeisgood]

Hahahaha What is your point?

We all know that scripture.

You claim Jesus is telling all to sell all they have and give it to the poor, but you do not acknowledge how Jesus tells him to come follow him.

No, gt, you are saying that when you vociferously proclaim.

I, gt, proudly proclaim that I, gt, obey ALL of Jesus' commandments and He commanded 'sell all you have.' Take a deep breath first, please, and think about that for a moment.

 

[NWL]

How sad that you have placed your salvation in Jesus being Michael the Archangel and you have said that there is not a verse in the Bible where an Archangel has saved anyone.

So, who is your Savior in your doctrine?

How sad it is you can't read plain English. I clearly mentioned it changes nothing for me if i were to understand Jesus not being Michael.

The Father is my saviour, as is Jesus.

The Bible has tons of verses about the Triunity of God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).

You cannot even provide me with one verse in the Bible about Jesus being Michael the Archangel.

Good, show me a single one that teaches the trinity.

Remember the trinity is the following, that God is one who is three person the Father son and HS, none of them are each other but all of them are co-equal, co-eternal.

 

[God's Truth]

NEVER made such statement. You on the other hand says I preach 'my, gt, gospel'. You must slow down a little bit, gt. You are letting your emotions get the best of you.

You speak untruth. You do say it was only given to Paul. I rebuked you with scripture and you come back saying you didn't say it.

 

[lifeisgood]

You believe in the trinity doctrine. Show where there are three different Gods making one, and I will show you three being same and only One God.

The Bible proclaims the Triunity of God in Deut. 6:4 Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our Eloheem[PLURAL] is one[SINGULAR] Jehovah.

The Bible proclaims the Triunity of God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).
It is all there for all who want to see to see.

 

[lifeisgood]

You speak untruth. You do say it was only given to Paul. I rebuked you with scripture and you come back saying you didn't say it.

I, lifeisgood, have never made such statement, gt.

 

[God's Truth]

How sad it is you can't read plain English. I clearly mentioned it changes nothing for me if i were to understand Jesus not being Michael.

The Father is my saviour, as is Jesus.



Good, show me a single one that teaches the trinity.

The trinity doctrine is false, but let's talk more about Jesus being an archangel.

Can you show me how one angel's spirit can be in thousands and thousands of people the way Jesus is when he saves someone?

 

[God's Truth]

The Bible proclaims the Triunity of God in Deut. 6:4 Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our Eloheem[PLURAL] is one[SINGULAR] Jehovah.

The Bible proclaims the Triunity of God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).
It is all there for all who want to see to see.

Hahahaha


Deuteronomy 4:35
You were shown these things so that you might know that the LORD is God; besides him there is no other.

Deuteronomy 4:39
Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the LORD is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

Isaiah 46:9
Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me.

Malachi 2:10
Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?

 

[JudgeRightly]

Are you really that dense!? What they say is NOT THE SAME. What Peter and John say are the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Paul says.

This is what Paul says:

Prove you have repented by your deeds after you turn to God. Good deeds are the result of repentance and faith.

This is what Peter and John the Baptist say:

Work for repentance, produce fruit so that you become worthy of repentance, work for your salvation AND Repent so God will wipe away your sins.

He (Paul) says that good works are the result of faith, which is what grants us salvation. Faith, no works, for salvation.

John and Peter say works will result in being saved, but belief is also required on top of that.

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GT, there's a true story that I've heard about recently (I won't say where from) where a pastor (no, not Pastor Enyart) needed his roof redone, so one of the members of his congregation offered to redo it for free, and so worked on it until it was finished. The next Sunday, the pastor mentioned how the man did the work for free and thanked him... And then said, intended as a joke, something along the lines of, "well, I guess it wasn't really free, because I took him out to lunch and paid for his food, so I guess you could say it was valued at a few cents per hour. Now, everyone laughed, but it was a joke in poor taste. The man did all the work for free, and then was insulted by the pastor saying his work was worth very little.

Another story (not entirely sure if it's true or not, but still has a valuable lesson) is one where a man's son loved to dive into the oceans surrounding the islands they lived on, and he would collect the oysters for their pearls. One day the boy saw one that was really deep, too deep to safely dive for, but seemed extremely valuable, so he dove for it, and managed to obtain it, and tried to swim back to the surface, but the damage had already been done, and the boy died a few days later. Now there was a missionary who came, and the man told him about his son, and the missionary told the man about Jesus, but the man wanted to pay for this salvation he heard about, but couldn't understand why the missionary said it couldn't be paid for with any amount of money. So the months went by, and it came time for the missionary to leave, and as he was about to leave, the man offered the beautiful pearl his son had died for to the missionary, who thought for a moment, and then pulled out his wallet and handed the man a twenty dollar bill (or whatever currency was used). The man, insulted, went into a fit about how the missionary was dishonoring his son by offering to pay for the gift, and the missionary said to him, "so to you yourself insult God by trying to pay Him for your salvation.

GT, the parallel you need to draw in your mind from these stories to the Bible is that working for the gift of salvation is an insult to God, who sent His only Son to die on the cross for us, a gift beyond value, and when you try to work for it, you're offering your measly pieces of wood and hay and stubble as a payment for his priceless gift to us.

GT, the only way to obtain salvation CANNOT be through works, because you cannot pay for the gift of Christ's blood on the cross. It is by grace through faith alone that we obtain salvation. No works required. You insult God when you say "one must work to be saved."

Still waiting for a response to this ^^^

Hahahaha What is your point?

You really are dense. Jesus says the one thing the man was lacking to enter the kingdom was that he needed to sell all he had. Do you think the standard was higher for him than it is the rest of Jesus' followers?

We all know that scripture.

You claim Jesus is telling all to sell all they have and give it to the poor, but you do not acknowledge how Jesus tells him to come follow him.

You still don't get it, do you? If you keep one law, you must keep them all. Jesus command was follow him, AFTER you sell all you have and distribute it to the poor. Have you sold all you have? No? Then you can not yet follow Him until you do.

Jesus had a traveling ministry during the laying of the foundation.

And?

The rich man was in front of Jesus and could not leave all and follow God in the flesh.

And because he did not, he was not worthy of eternal life.

No one has to be a traveling minister anymore, the foundation has been laid.

Then would you retract your claim that we must follow all of Jesus' commands?

Because according to you, we no longer have to give up all we have, yet Jesus is very clear, sell all you have and give it to the poor to have eternal life. You say we must follow all of His commands, and then you say in your very next post that we don't have to follow "sell all you have." So which is it, GT, Do we follow everything Jesus says or do we not?

 

[God's Truth]

I, lifeisgood, have never made such statement, gt.

Do you really want me to go find it?

Since you say that it was not just Paul's gospel, are you admitting it wasn't just given to him?

Go ahead and say it then.