The Trinity

[lifeisgood]

How sad it is you can't read plain English. I clearly mentioned it changes nothing for me if i were to understand Jesus not being Michael.

The Father is my saviour, as is Jesus.

Not biblical.

Good, show me a single one that teaches the trinity.

Remember the trinity is the following, that God is one who is three person the Father son and HS, none of them are each other but all of them are co-equal, co-eternal.

At the baptism of Jesus, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit were present. As soon as Jesus came up out of the water, "he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, ‘This is my Son, whom I love and with him I am well pleased’" (Matt. 3:16-17). The Father’s voice sounded from above and affirmed the Sonship of Jesus, and the Holy Spirit descended on him and empowered him.

At the end of the same Gospel, Jesus is resurrected, and he commissions the disciples to go into all the world and preach the gospel. These two verses are part of the Great Commission, which Evangelicals take seriously. "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" ... (Matt 28:18-19).
This passage also demonstrates Jesus’ early declaration of the Trinity/Triunity. Therefore, this doctrine comes from him, originally.

Christians believe that the entire New Testament is inspired. The Apostle Paul also affirms the doctrine of the Trinity. In his second letter to the Corinthians, he bids farewell to them: "May the grace of the Lord Jesus, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all" (2 Corinthians 13:14). Thus, Jesus and the Holy Spirit exist with the Father, and from their heavenly vantage point they are able to communicate grace, love, and fellowship to the believers (cf. Ephesians 4:4-6).

Peter says that the people of God "have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood" (1 Peter 1:2). It is clear from this verse that each person of the Trinity/Triunity has a function or role in the world. The Father chooses, the Spirit sanctifies, and Jesus redeems people with his blood that he shed on the cross.

 

[lifeisgood]

Do you really want me to go find it?

Since you say that it was not just Paul's gospel, are you admitting it wasn't just given to him?

Go ahead and say it then.

I have no idea what you are asking, gt.
You're really on an emotion roller-coaster today worst than other days.

 

[NWL]

The trinity doctrine is false, but let's talk more about Jesus being an archangel.

Can you show me how one angel's spirit can be in thousands and thousands of people the way Jesus is when he saves someone?

I think you would firstly need to show me how the scriptures don't allow for God to appoint an spirit/angel above everything and allows mankind to be redeemed through that spirit/angel. Your question is a loaded question where the respondent has to already have assumed that one of Gods spirit/angel is incapable of not being exalted enough to save mankind.

If you were to ask me why I personally believe Jesus is Michael I can answer, but such a loaded question requires some facts to be establish before answering.

 

[lifeisgood]

Hahahaha

Deuteronomy 4:35
You were shown these things so that you might know that the LORD is God; besides him there is no other.

Deuteronomy 4:39
Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the LORD is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

Isaiah 46:9
Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me.

Malachi 2:10
Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?

Thank you gt, for the wonderful verses.

 

[God's Truth]

Still waiting for a response to this ^^^

I have explained it to you MANY times that the works of the law that no one has to do anymore are the ceremonial works.

You really are dense. Jesus says the one thing the man was lacking to enter the kingdom was that he needed to sell all he had. Do you think the standard was higher for him than it is the rest of Jesus' followers?

Jesus didn’t command all to do that.

You refuse to give the scripture where Jesus commands all to do that.

Those preaching the gospel with him were to do that, not all.

We are not all rich men who chose their riches over God.

You still don't get it, do you? If you keep one law, you must keep them all. Jesus command was follow him, AFTER you sell all you have and distribute it to the poor. Have you sold all you have? No? Then you can not yet follow Him until you do.

Hahahaha give the law where all are told to sell all they have.

And?

And because he did not, he was not worthy of eternal life.

Then would you retract your claim that we must follow all of Jesus' commands?

Jesus doesn’t command all to do that.

You are hard and rebellious.

You want to tell untruths about what happened so that you can say, “See, no one has to obey anything Jesus says because you would have to be homeless.”

You are a worker of iniquity.

Because according to you, we no longer have to give up all we have, yet Jesus is very clear, sell all you have and give it to the poor to have eternal life. You say we must follow all of His commands, and then you say in your very next post that we don't have to follow "sell all you have." So which is it, GT, Do we follow everything Jesus says or do we not?

In your ugly doctrine, tell me if the poor are to give up all that they received, or are they sinners for not?

You have no understanding and it is because you follow the flawed teachings of men instead of having Jesus reveal himself to you:

John 14:21 The person who has my commandments and obeys them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him."

 

[lifeisgood]

The trinity doctrine is false, but let's talk more about Jesus being an archangel.

Can you show me how one angel's spirit can be in thousands and thousands of people the way Jesus is when he saves someone?

The trinity simply state, at least the way I understand it, that God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit. I do not have an issue with that. If someone else has an issue with it that is something they will have to take up with God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) Himself.

 

[God's Truth]

The trinity simply state, at least the way I understand it, that God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit. I do not have an issue with that. If someone else has an issue with it that is something they will have to take up with God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) Himself.

What I said was to someone who believes Jesus is an archangel.

However, you can answer that questions too and tell me how Jesus Christ himself lives in all believers, as does God the Father, yet the saved are given only ONE Spirit.

 

[NWL]

Not biblical.

It's not biblical that we should accept the Father and Jesus as saviour?

At the baptism of Jesus, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit were present. As soon as Jesus came up out of the water, "he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, ‘This is my Son, whom I love and with him I am well pleased’" (Matt. 3:16-17). The Father’s voice sounded from above and affirmed the Sonship of Jesus, and the Holy Spirit descended on him and empowered him.

So where is the teaching that "God is one who is three persons" in the verse?

At the end of the same Gospel, Jesus is resurrected, and he commissions the disciples to go into all the world and preach the gospel. These two verses are part of the Great Commission, which Evangelicals take seriously. "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" ... (Matt 28:18-19). This passage also demonstrates Jesus’ early declaration of the Trinity/Triunity. Therefore, this doctrine comes from him, originally.

Where is the teaching that "God is one who is three persons" in the verse?

Christians believe that the entire New Testament is inspired. The Apostle Paul also affirms the doctrine of the Trinity. In his second letter to the Corinthians, he bids farewell to them: "May the grace of the Lord Jesus, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all" (2 Corinthians 13:14). Thus, Jesus and the Holy Spirit exist with the Father, and from their heavenly vantage point they are able to communicate grace, love, and fellowship to the believers (cf. Ephesians 4:4-6).

So where is the teaching that "God is one who is three persons" in the verse?

Peter says that the people of God "have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood" (1 Peter 1:2). It is clear from this verse that each person of the Trinity/Triunity has a function or role in the world. The Father chooses, the Spirit sanctifies, and Jesus redeems people with his blood that he shed on the cross.

So where is the teaching that "God is one who is three persons" in the verse?

In all the examples you gave I've failed to see anything that teaches that God is one who is three persons, that all those persons are separate from each other but make up the One God or that they co-equal or co-eternal. Please show me where any of those verse express a single one of the things I just listed.

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

The trinity doctrine is false,

All evidence to the contrary, of course:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?97148-One-on-One-AMR-and-God-s-Truth-—-The-Holy-Trinity

Since you deny the doctrine, make it plain and cast your vote in the poll above. :AMR:

AMR

 

[lifeisgood]

It's not biblical that we should accept the Father and Jesus as saviour?

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

That name is not Father.

So where is the teaching that "God is one who is three persons" in the verse?

God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit)

So where is the teaching that "God is one who is three persons" in the verse?

In all the examples you gave I've failed to see anything that teaches that God is one who is three persons, that all those persons are separate from each other but make up the One God or that they co-equal or co-eternal. Please show me where any of those verse express a single one of the things I just listed.

For those who desire to believe what the Bible says, God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit; however, that is only for those who want to believe what the Bible says.

 

[God's Truth]

All evidence to the contrary, of course:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?97148-One-on-One-AMR-and-God-s-Truth-—-The-Holy-Trinity

Since you deny the doctrine, make it plain and cast your vote in the poll above. :AMR:

AMR

Answer the question.

Tell us how Jesus himself lives in us, as does the Father.

 

[lifeisgood]

What I said was to someone who believes Jesus is an archangel.

And someone that said she cannot find a verse in the Bible that says that Jesus is an Archangel.

However, you can answer that questions too and tell me how Jesus Christ himself lives in all believers, as does God the Father, yet the saved are given only ONE Spirit.

We are to be the temple and abode of God (2 Corinthians 6:16).
It is done through the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:9-11).

To the degree that God and Christ Jesus dwell in us depends on the degree we follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.

 

[lifeisgood]

Answer the question.

Tell us how Jesus himself lives in us, as does the Father.

Through the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:9-11).

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?97148-One-on-One-AMR-and-God-s-Truth-—-The-Holy-Trinity

Answer the question.

Tell us how Jesus himself lives in us, as does the Father.

Perhaps you have reading comprehension issues. There is no need to revisit questions implied or asked that were thoroughly answered in my one-on-one debate with you. It stands as a constant reminder of how far outside the camp you currently reside. Sigh.

AMR

 

[God's Truth]

And someone that said she cannot find a verse in the Bible that says that Jesus is an Archangel.



We are to be the temple and abode of God (2 Corinthians 6:16).
It is done through the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:9-11).

To the degree that God and Christ Jesus dwell in us depends on the degree we follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.

Nothing you said here has anything to do with what I said and asked.

You have no defense for your false teachings.

 

[lifeisgood]

Nothing you said here has anything to do with what I said and asked.

You are so enlightened that I probably missed the question. However, I can see you did not accept what the Bible says about your question.

You have no defense for your false teachings.

Which false doctrine gt? That you can find Father, Son, Holy Spirit all throughout the Bible if you want to see it?

 

[God's Truth]

Perhaps you have reading comprehension issues. There is no need to revisit questions implied or asked that were thoroughly answered in my one-on-one debate with you. It stands as a constant reminder of how far outside the camp you currently reside. Sigh.

AMR

You didn't answer the questions in the debate either.

 

[God's Truth]

You are so enlightened that I probably missed the question. However, I can see you did not accept what the Bible says about your question.



Which false doctrine gt? That you can find Father, Son, Holy Spirit all throughout the Bible if you want to see it?

Of course, there is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; but they are not different, as the trinity doctrine says. There are three and the three are the same one Spirit.

Jesus is God the Father come in the flesh as a Man.

 

[lifeisgood]

Of course, there is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; but they are not different, as the trinity doctrine says. There are three and the three are the same one Spirit.

Jesus is God the Father come in the flesh as a Man.

gt,

The Father is not Jesus.
Jesus is not the Father or the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not Jesus or the Father.

However, God is One as the Bible states clearly.

If any puny human being could completely understand the Triunity of God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), He would not be God would He.

 

[God's Truth]

gt,

The Father is not Jesus.
Jesus is not the Father or the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not Jesus or the Father.

However, God is One as the Bible states clearly.

If any puny human being could completely understand the Triunity of God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), He would not be God would He.

You admit that your doctrine is not understandable. Since you cannot explain it, then you cannot defend it.