The Trinity

[popsthebuilder]

To be saved or already saved?



Will ask again 'to be saved' or 'already saved' because I do not know what you're talking about.



I have already answered you this one by telling you that God already did something.

Will ask again 'to be saved' or 'already saved'?

I said believer friend, as in already saved.

Your previous answer is a misdirection from the initial questions.



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[lifeisgood]

I said believer friend, as in already saved.

Just making sure.

Your previous answer is a misdirection from the initial questions.

Not at all. Just making sure that you do make a distinction between a UNbeliever and an already saved believer because your interaction with me was in response to something I said to gt, which vociferously says that a UNbeliever has to do something TO BE SAVED and my Lord Jesus Christ and what He did at the Cross of Calvary contradicts her.

Now, AFTER one becomes a already saved BEliever, that is a totally different story as the Holy Spirit comes into our hearts and directs each already saved BEliever into what he/she has to do, however, it has absolutely nothing to do with an UNbeliever, which is gt's premise that an UNbeliever has to OBEY the Lord being an UNbeliever.

If you do not like my answer please ask again and I will try my best to answer better. Sometimes is difficult to write all that is in your head in one sitting.

 

[God's Truth]

gt, vociferously demands that a UNbeliever (notice the 'UN') has to (notice the 'has to') OBEY (notice the 'obey') Jesus BEFORE (notice the 'before') he/she can be saved by God.

Unbelievers and believers have to obey before they can get saved.

 

[God's Truth]

Then I have no idea what you're talking about. You no scare me none (horrible grammar).



Here you go again gt, hiding behind the veneer of 'you slandering' panacea. So unbecoming.



Was this a revelation you received today?



Yes. He said BELIEVE in me or at least BELIEVE my works.



Yes! Believe! Believe! Believe!



How can you shame someone who vociferously declares she OBEYS ALL of Jesus' commands and then says, 'hmm, no that one is not for me. Nah, that one either.'

Jesus does not say believe and don't obey.

Faith alone is dead and cannot save anyone.

 

[God's Truth]

Oh, foolish, presumptions, boastful one. You don't obey ALL Jesus' commandments PERIOD.

I do obey everything Jesus says to do. Now why won't you answer the question I asked? Tell me what do you think I can do and get away with?

 

[lifeisgood]

Unbelievers and believers have to obey before they can get saved.

NO!

 

[lifeisgood]

Jesus does not say believe and don't obey.

He said believe. But I keep on forgetting that you obey ALL Jesus' commands.

Faith alone is dead and cannot save anyone.

You have no idea what kind of faith James is talking about, so, please stop using that as an excuse to demand that a UNbeliever has to OBEY for the Lord to save him/her.

When gt demand that a UNbeliever has to OBEY to be SAVED you're saying that Jesus Christ and His finished work on the Cross of Calvary was not a finished work and you have to add something to His ALREADY finished work.

 

[lifeisgood]

I do obey everything Jesus says to do. Now why won't you answer the question I asked? Tell me what do you think I can do and get away with?

Believe that you are a foolish, presumptions, boastful one. You don't obey ALL Jesus' commandments PERIOD.

 

[God's Truth]

Oh, foolish, presumptions, boastful one. You don't obey ALL Jesus' commandments PERIOD.

Of course I do.

 

[Rosenritter]

No where.

gt is the one who vociferously, over and over, says that she obeys ALL of Jesus' commands and then when she is asked 'did you sell all you have yet', her response is 'no, that one is not for me', and so on and so on.

However, she keeps on declaring that she obeys ALL of Jesus' commands.

It goes without saying (with normal people) that when one says that one is obedient to someone else's commands, that it is the relevant and applicable commands that is meant. If I say that I obey all laws of the nation of Canada, I obviously mean only the ones that apply to me, not the ones that apply to railroad corporations, foreign diplomats, and the like.

Perhaps you have a valid point to make somewhere in all this. How would I be able to tell when you use nonsense like feigned ignorance over something basic over the English meaning of something GT says? I am so tired of seeing bickering back and forth with people chasing ways to attack each other rather than spending a few minutes working together to define what their differences are and to see if there may be common ground and/or resolution.

 

[God's Truth]

He said believe. But I keep on forgetting that you obey ALL Jesus' commands.



You have no idea what kind of faith James is talking about, so, please stop using that as an excuse to demand that a UNbeliever has to OBEY for the Lord to save him/her.

When gt demand that a UNbeliever has to OBEY to be SAVED you're saying that Jesus Christ and His finished work on the Cross of Calvary was not a finished work and you have to add something to His ALREADY finished work.

Jesus saves us all on his own, and he tells us who he chooses to save.

He chooses those who believe and obey.

See John 14:23, Acts 5:32, and many more.

 

[God's Truth]

NO!

Do you really think that Jesus is going to live in someone who hasn't repented of their sins?

Jesus wouldn't even come to the lost sheep of Israel unless they repented of their sins first.

 

[glorydaz]

Do you really think that Jesus is going to live in someone who hasn't repented of their sins?

Jesus wouldn't even come to the lost sheep of Israel unless they repented of their sins first.

He says to believe. Why do you add to the word of God?

 

[glorydaz]

It goes without saying (with normal people) that when one says that one is obedient to someone else's commands, that it is the relevant and applicable commands that is meant. If I say that I obey all laws of the nation of Canada, I obviously mean only the ones that apply to me, not the ones that apply to railroad corporations, foreign diplomats, and the like.

Perhaps you have a valid point to make somewhere in all this. How would I be able to tell when you use nonsense like feigned ignorance over something basic over the English meaning of something GT says? I am so tired of seeing bickering back and forth with people chasing ways to attack each other rather than spending a few minutes working together to define what their differences are and to see if there may be common ground and/or resolution.

There you go again. Lecturing someone who knows what you don't.

GT is exactly like YOU. She adds her own obedience to the free gift of salvation.

I wouldn't be surprised to see you pick and choose the same way she does.

 

[Rosenritter]

There you go again. Lecturing someone who knows what you don't.

GT is exactly like YOU. She adds her own obedience to the free gift of salvation.

I wouldn't be surprised to see you pick and choose the same way she does.

Glory, would you mind including some actual rational content with your put-down post? Scan as I might, there's nothing there that you said that actually means anything.

The ironic part is that you are objecting to my plea that if one must oppose someone else, that their accusations actually make sense (so that they might be productively acted upon.) You obviously didn't get the point.

 

[glorydaz]

I do obey everything Jesus says to do. Now why won't you answer the question I asked? Tell me what do you think I can do and get away with?

Well, you can't get away with adding your obedience to Christ's work on the cross.

YOU are not that ONE.

Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.​

 

[glorydaz]

Glory, would you mind including some actual rational content with your put-down post? Scan as I might, there's nothing there that you said that actually means anything.

Then you should feel free to move along, shouldn't you?

 

[Rosenritter]

Then you should feel free to move along, shouldn't you?

If it was just your standard put-down without content, then most certainly. Just making sure that I hadn't misjudged your intent. I offered you an opportunity to support your attack, you did not.

 

[glorydaz]

when one says that one is obedient to someone else's commands, that it is the relevant and applicable commands that is meant.

This is why I said you pick and choose like GT does.

you use nonsense like feigned ignorance over something basic

I am so tired of seeing bickering back and forth with people chasing ways to attack each other

:chuckle:

If it was just your standard put-down without content, then most certainly. Just making sure that I hadn't misjudged your intent. I offered you an opportunity to support your attack, you did not.

I take opportunities wherever I find them....(whether you offer them to me or not).


I find them on my own by simply reading your words....like "feigned ignorance" and "I'm so tired of bickering back and forth" while you're doing exactly that.

 

[lifeisgood]

It goes without saying (with normal people) that when one says that one is obedient to someone else's commands, that it is the relevant and applicable commands that is meant. If I say that I obey all laws of the nation of Canada, I obviously mean only the ones that apply to me, not the ones that apply to railroad corporations, foreign diplomats, and the like.

Perhaps you have a valid point to make somewhere in all this. How would I be able to tell when you use nonsense like feigned ignorance over something basic over the English meaning of something GT says? I am so tired of seeing bickering back and forth with people chasing ways to attack each other rather than spending a few minutes working together to define what their differences are and to see if there may be common ground and/or resolution.

When someone says for a long time now, that a UNbeliver must OBEY to be saved and keeps on saying that she obeys ALL of Jesus' commands, when that is impossible, I will not let that go. It is not bickering. This for me is a salvific issue. Meaning if a UNbeliever can already obey the Lord without knowing Him, that person does not need to hear the Gospel of the Lord; therefore condemned that person to hell by the one saying that she obeys ALL of Jesus' commands.

When I say something in a sarcastic way, I usually will say 'sarcasm' or I'll put one of the emojis I was given (that is if my brain remembers where I saved them). You just reminded me of something -- find them, just in case I use sarcasm or I also use :doh: : :think: :idunno:, etc.

If there is a word I really do not understand, I usually use a dictionary.

Your explanation about Canada laws makes sense to me and I would not bother you with that at all. Now, if you said, "I, Rosenritter, obey ALL of Canada's laws' then I would repeatedly tell you that you do not. However, your case would not be a salvific one for me and I probably would say it once and leave at that. gt's case is different.

gt, really believes that a UNbeliever can obey Jesus without knowing Jesus. Check.
She will parrot again that she obeys ALL of Jesus' commands in the few next posts.

What gt says, for me, at least for me, is a salvific issue and it must be reproved, for a UNbeliever cannot and will not OBEY the Lord and desperately needs to hear the Gospel pointing to the Savior and His finished work on the Cross of Calvary. You can ask gt's testimony of salvation and judge for yourself.