glorydaz
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God became flesh and dwelt among us. He did not cease to be God in order to do that.
God became a burning bush, too. He didn't cease being God to do that.
You do know it's God we're talking about here, don't you? :chew:
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God became flesh and dwelt among us. He did not cease to be God in order to do that.
God became a burning bush, too. He didn't cease being God to do that.
You do know it's God we're talking about here, don't you? :chew:
Rosenritter
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It sounds like you just said you believe in three distinct God beings, or three individuals.
en·ti·ty
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noun
en·ti·ty
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noun
- a thing with distinct and independent existence.
"church and empire were fused in a single entity"synonyms: being, creature, individual, organism, life form; More - existence; being.
"entity and nonentity"
- existence; being.
God's Truth
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Why do you keep telling untruths about me?
Tell me why you said Jesus DOES NOT send the Holy Spirit.
Because the Spirit is sent by the Father through the request of the Son.
Does sound that way if you do not understand trinitarian doctrine. The three individuals comprise the one God
popsthebuilder
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Are you aware that Christ is the firstfruit and firstborn of GOD? Are you aware that he is the judge upon the end time?
This effectively makes Him the first (alpha) and the last (omega), yet still not coequal or coeternal with GOD.
How is it that what is the first and last is too eternal(without beginning/ end. )
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God's Truth
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The scriptures say PLAINLY that Jesus sends the Holy Spirit.
Why would you want me not to believe what the scriptures say?
Luke 24:49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high." And John 15:26; 16:7.
Are you aware that what you are trying to say through Colossians 1:15 is positional and not biological? Philippians 2:5-11 still holds where Paul says that Jesus is equal with God.
:duh: Who promised the Spirit? Who is it that consents that He be sent?
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popsthebuilder
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You do realize that GOD is spirit and Jesus was man don't you?
I didn't say GOD was incapable of manifesting in man.
I said it doesn't make sense that the eternal GOD would need to kill himself for a blood sacrifice to HIMSELF. It also doesn't make sense how this is supposed to be the way for us to follow in order to be saved. In fact; it leaves no place for creation in said equation whatsoever, but none see this evidently.
May the Lord, GOD chastise me harshly that I might remember my error if I indeed promote what is false or damage the faith of another.
peace
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Rosenritter
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You quoted the gospel of Matthew, but Jesus was quoting Deuteronomy in the gospel of Matthew. The clue is where he says "It is written" and so forth. Each and every one of Christ's answers were using scripture. It's a common theme he uses. People take what he says elsewhere out of its source context and get very strange ideas.
When you say "Christ was saying he wasn't going to tempt the Father" that's an interpretation. One interpretation. Jesus doesn't say that straight out. All of his answers were given in a way that can be read with double meaning. All of them work just as well saying that Jesus is God.
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God.... Jesus is the Word from God, and the bread of life. He doesn't need stones to be bread because he has life in himself, he is the life that is given to others.
Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Satan, you know better than to try to tempt my patience.
Get thee hence Satan, for it is written, thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve ... You are asking me to worship you? It's the other way around, you are supposed to worship me.
We have the exact words which, as they were given, could have been used with double meaning. Jesus didn't speak in a way that would ever deny that he was their God. Given the amount of times they wanted to stone him, it would seem that he should have given a clarification to the contrary somewhere along the line, if they were wrongly confused about his intent.
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I'd give you the post number you were looking for if I knew it. If you can private message me what the specific point was about I can probably generate the substance again or maybe find it for you.
When you say "Christ was saying he wasn't going to tempt the Father" that's an interpretation. One interpretation. Jesus doesn't say that straight out. All of his answers were given in a way that can be read with double meaning. All of them work just as well saying that Jesus is God.
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God.... Jesus is the Word from God, and the bread of life. He doesn't need stones to be bread because he has life in himself, he is the life that is given to others.
Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Satan, you know better than to try to tempt my patience.
Get thee hence Satan, for it is written, thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve ... You are asking me to worship you? It's the other way around, you are supposed to worship me.
We have the exact words which, as they were given, could have been used with double meaning. Jesus didn't speak in a way that would ever deny that he was their God. Given the amount of times they wanted to stone him, it would seem that he should have given a clarification to the contrary somewhere along the line, if they were wrongly confused about his intent.
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I'd give you the post number you were looking for if I knew it. If you can private message me what the specific point was about I can probably generate the substance again or maybe find it for you.
:darwinsm: Because you are wrong!
God's Truth
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Luke 24:49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high." And John 15:26; 16:7.
Anyone who can see and read sees that the scriptures say Jesus sends the Holy Spirit.
So;
John 14:26 New King James Version (NKJV)
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
The Spirit is sent in Jesus name. Where does the Spirit come from? He comes from the Father.
Rosenritter
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Although I've heard quite a few people claim that, I haven't yet seen that in scripture. No where does it say "believe in the Trinity or you cannot be saved." I do see "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved"
Act_16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Nothing about believing in a Trinity. Neither Jesus nor the apostles thought to mention, let alone to define or state that such a belief would be required for salvation. Also, belief in a "Trinity is not what binds Christians together. This is what Jesus said would bind Christians:
Joh_13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
God's Truth
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Luke 24:49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high." And John 15:26; 16:7.
John 14:26 New King James Version (NKJV)
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
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So you see the scripture that says the Father sends the Holy Spirit, but you do not see the scriptures that say Jesus sends the Holy Spirit, why?
There are scriptures that say the Father sends the Holy Spirit, and scriptures that say Jesus sends the Holy Spirit. That shows us they are one and the same.
Rosenritter
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Lord God Almighty, Jehovah, ... those are three different names, introduced at different times. Different names can carry different distinctions, yet still point to the same person. God uses a lot more names and titles than that, which carry different distinctions. The Lion of Judah has a different distinction than the Lamb of God. One is strength and the other is sacrificial. Doesn't mean that it's really a different person.