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You are wrong again.
The Trinity
- Thread starter Bright Raven
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You are wrong again.
So have you Crossed John 16:14 out of your bible yet?
God's Truth
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Does that mean you want to admit you were wrong when you said Jesus does not send the Holy Spirit?
So have you crossed John 16:14 out of your bible yet?
God's Truth
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What point are you trying to make?
I asked you plainly if Jesus sends the Spirit and you said no.
I gave you scriptures that say Jesus sends the Spirit.
popsthebuilder
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Jesus of Nazareth was a man, not just a man, but still man.
GOD is spirit.
100%man + 100%GOD =200% which is equal to illogical nonsense to say the very least.
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Simple but you DONT GET IT!!!! The Spirit comes from the Father through the Son.
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John 16:14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”
Now what don't you get about you saying Jesus does NOT send the Spirit?
What don't you get about you saying I had a comprehension problem?
I gave you three scriptures that say Jesus sends the Spirit.
Are you going to admit you were wrong or not?
So you still refuse to believe John 14:16? Have you not ever thought that the Son is ALWAYS in submission to the Father and only does the things the Father would have Him do?
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So you don't want to admit you made a mistake.
I haven't made a mistake. I believe what John 14:16 says. Do you?
glorydaz
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The Holy Spirit is one being in the Godhead. He is His own person...having characteristics such as being grieved, hearing, groaning, sending, anointing, etc. He is the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ. Christ is not the Holy Spirit, and God is not the Holy Spirit.
God is spirit in that He is not flesh.
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I believe in the whole Bible.
Now tell me why you go against the scriptures that plainly say Jesus sends the Spirit?
popsthebuilder
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To be clear; I never denied the trinity. I deny one needs to believe it to be Christian or saved.
If the Father is spirit, and the Holy Spirit is spirit and the Son is begotten then two are the same and one is of the other; as in; the Son is of the FATHER which is GOD and Spirit.
Why add confusion to the things of GOD?
Is simple truth of GOD, or is confusion and misdirection?
Can anyone give scriptural support for the claims that-
a) belief in the trinity is a sign of salvation?
b) one must believe in the trinity, and not Jesus Christ, to be saved?
c) GOD is actually 3 people, and not a single spirit?
d) GOD sent HIMSELF as a blood sacrifice and payment to HIMSELF for the sin nature GOD instilled in IT's creation so that IT's creation could be saved from what GOD made them naturally inclined to do, and how this is just and merciful?
e) how does that equate to good news as opposed to the news of the Way?
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popsthebuilder
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How is that coequal?
How is begotten coeternal?
How are those even real words?
You really don't needn't answer the last one....or any if you don't feel the need.
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You do not believe John 14:16. Why?
popsthebuilder
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God is spirit in that He is not flesh.
Are you a Trinitarian? If so, how do you reconcile Jesus being flesh and the utter fullness of GOD while flesh?
peace
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glorydaz
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:sherlock:
Philippians 2:5-11 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Humbled and Exalted Christ
5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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Are you saying that the Holy Spirit does things differently from the Father and Jesus?
You say the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ.
Are you admitting that God the Father is Spirit, the Son is Spirit, and that they all have the same Spirit?
The scriptures say the Lord IS the Spirit.
2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
The scriptures say the saved are the temple of God's Spirit, and that God lives inside the saved. So if God is not the Holy Spirit, why does the scripture say He is?
2 Corinthians 6:16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."
How do you get that the Father is Spirit and the Holy Spirit is His Spirit but God is not the Spirit?