While Jesus is God, and He did love the Pharisees, Paul is not God and he did love Elymus.Did Jesus love the Pharisees? Yes or no?
Did Paul love Elymus? Yes or no?
Does God love the whole human race or not?:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (Jn.3:16).
How in the world did you possibly come to that conclusion based on anything I said?While Jesus is God, and He did love the Pharisees, Paul is not God and he did love Elymus.
So the Lord Jesus is no longer God and was no longer God when He walked the earth?
No Sir, I do not claim anyone was made a sinner especially if made is to mean created.ttruscott, you said;
"This and the hints that Adam and Eve were sinners in the garden are a good start..."
So even though God referred to the totality of His creation as being "very good" (Gen.1:31) you say that adam and eve were made sinners?
Even though the Scriptures declare that the Lord Jesus was made like His brothers in all things? (Heb.2;17)?
Everything was good:
I promise I'll answer that question, if you can tell me how someone who is in Christ is not abiding in Christ?
Can you share with me how the Bible makes a distinction between the two? Specifically, how does someone who has been crucified with Christ (no longer lives, but Christ lives in them), raised with Christ (a new creation in Christ), one spirit with Him, and seated in Him in heavenly places, not abide μένω in Him?"Being in" and "abiding in" are two different very different concepts, though they are related.
I think you've (perhaps unintentionally) conflated the two, and I want to help you correct that, or perhaps find out that my perspective is wrong.
So if a believer, someone who has placed their faith in Christ and who is sealed by the Holy Spirit, is not abiding in Christ, can he sin?
Remember, abide simply means to act in accordance with, and doesn't necessarily imply position or location.
As is the case with Paul, and with me. So, when you say things that are false, opposed to the gospel, anti-Christ, and I rebuke you with name-calling, just like Jesus or Paul did, it is an act of love towards you and for the benefit of those whom you are leading astray.The Lord Jesus loves all people but sometimes it was necessary for him to chasten some, even in some cases those who are believers (1 Cor.11:23).
Can you share with me how the Bible makes a distinction between the two? . . .
μένω (meno) to remain; in reference to place - not to depart; to continue to be present; to be held, kept, continually; to remain as one, not to become another or different.
Specifically, how does someone who has been crucified with Christ (no longer lives, but Christ lives in them), raised with Christ (a new creation in Christ), one spirit with Him, and seated in Him in heavenly places, not abide μένω in Him?
Please understand, my friend, I'm not trying to avoid your question, but I have to make certain that when we use terms, we are in agreement on what they mean. I'm not seeing a definition of abide in the way you defined it "to act in accordance with". And, I don't know what it means to you when you use the word "Christian" or how you would define "sin". Most those, I am in disagreement with, do not define the words Christian or sin the way I see them defined in the Bible. I really don't find many people on here who have a fundamental understanding of what salvation is. And when I says "what salvation is", I don't mean that they don't know HOW someone is saved, but they don't know what it is.1 John 3:6
- Lexical: μένω
- Transliteration: menó
- Part of Speech: Verb
- Phonetic Spelling: men'-o
- Definition: to remain, abide, stay, wait; with acc: to wait for, await.
- Origin: A primary verb; to stay (in a given place, state, relation or expectancy).
- Usage: abide, continue, dwell, endure, be present, remain, stand, tarry (for), X thine own.
- Translated as (count): abides (20), abiding (13), Abide (10), remain (8), He stayed (5), to remain (4), He abides (3), remains (3), to abide (3), He remained (2), it remained (2), let him abide (2), remaining (2), should abide (2), should remain (2), they stayed (2), to stay (2), we stayed (2), you abide (2), an abiding (1), are You staying (1), await (1), did abide (1), did it remain (1), dwelling (1), Dwelt (1), enduring (1), he remains (1), I abide (1), I will remain (1), it abide (1), it would have remained (1), let abide (1), let her remain (1), let it abide (1), might stand (1), remained (1), she should remain (1), they abide (1), they should remain (1), they would have remained (1), waited for (1), we abide (1), will abide (1), will remain (1), would remain (1), you shall abide (1), you will abide (1).
2 Corinthians 5:17
- Lexical: ἐν
- Transliteration: en
- Part of Speech: Preposition
- Phonetic Spelling: en
- Definition: in, on, at, by, with.
- Origin: A primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), i.e. A relation of rest (intermediate between eis and ek); "in," at, (up-)on, by, etc..
- Usage: about, after, against, + almost, X altogether, among, X as, at, before, between, (here-)by (+ all means), for (... Sake of), + give self wholly to, (here-)in(-to, -wardly), X mightily, (because) of, (up-)on, (open-)ly, X outwardly, one, X quickly, X shortly, (speedi-)ly, X that, X there(-in, -on), through(-out), (un-)to(-ward), under, when, where(-with), while, with(-in). Often used in compounds, with substantially the same import; rarely with verbs of motion, and then not to indicate direction, except (elliptically) by a separate (and different) preposition.
- Translated as (count): in (2177), with (130), among (125), by (111), on (73), At (41), into (26), within (16), during (11), through (10), to (10), as (5), under (3), along (2), as to (2), because of (2), besides (2), in regard to (2), throughout (2), wherein (2), while (2), afterward (1), amid (1), amidst (1), before (1), between (1), But in (1), For (1), in all (1), in the (1), in the midst of (1), of (1), outwardly (1), the in (1), toward (1), until (1), When (1), With respect to (1), with the (1).
Hate to say this, but the problem with me answering this question of yours is that it answers my question by showing that such is possible, which defeats the purpose of me asking you the question in the first place. Let me see if we can find a flaw in your position by going step by step.
Your position is that when someone becomes a Christian, they can no longer sin, correct?
Talking to you is like speaking to a pile of dung.The Lord Jesus said the following to believers;
"Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me" (Jn.15;40.
"If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin"
It's unctuous for people to proclaim the love of God, yet believe that some babies die and go to eternal damnation because Adam sinned; however, that's where Schreiner's teaching of original sin leads.A persin must be alive spiritually before he can die spiritually.