Angels are spiritual beings that have been created by God. They are mentioned in the Bible about 290 times. They have a free will and can rebel against God as Satan did. Angels will play an important part in the return of Christ. Because they are spiritual they can hear and see things that we can't.
The Gospel Verses Predestination
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Angels are spiritual beings that have been created by God. They are mentioned in the Bible about 290 times. They have a free will and can rebel against God as Satan did. Angels will play an important part in the return of Christ. Because they are spiritual they can hear and see things that we can't.
God is sovereign only within his holy just nature. God cannot and will not sin or do evil. God does nothing outside of his Son Jesus Christ. This is why predestination is a false doctrine. In order for sinful man to be saved he must be reconciled to God by his Son Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. No reconciliation no salvation.
This is why no one has been predestinated. God does not predestinate lost sinners to salvation. If you want to be saved you will have to come to Christ as a repentant sinner and ask him to save you, Romans 10:13.
Jesus has provided salvation for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. The ball is now in humanities court. Only those that respond to the Gospel will be saved. In the book of Acts only those that heard Peter's Gospel and believed it were saved, Acts 2:41.
Like I said before, God predestinated prophets and apostles for the sole purpose of making known to the world his Son Jesus Christ. All of the apostles except for John died violent deaths at the hands of the religious. I have to leave right now. Will address this later.
beloved57
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Your message is totally against Christ and presents His death as a failure to save everyone He died for. Thats not the Gospel of Christ !
Nanja
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Precisely !
What?! You think there is no reason to damn all humanity to hell? Do you have no understanding of God's moral law? Do you have NO understanding of justice?
You don't understand the fact that God takes full responsibility for the sins of his created beings. It is not our fault that we are sinners, Its Adam's fault. Eve was beguiled by the serpent and caused Adam to sin. God did not cause Adam to sin, but he takes full responsibility for his sins. This is why he sent Jesus into the world to save the world, 1 John 2:2.
Jesus comes into the world to undo what Adam did. We are the sinners, we are the ones that should be crucified. But God doesn't punish us, instead he punishes our representative for our sins.
Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. But you don't believe it because you don't believe the Bible. None of you Calvinist do.
So you're a universalist. Say hi to Hitler.
Nope. A universalist believes that everyone will be saved regardless of what they do or believe.
The Bible teaches that only those that have faith in Christ will be saved, Ephesians 2:8.
Wait! What?
You're not responsible for your wretched behavior, your putred thoughts, your depraved mind?
Since the entire world is not saved, it seems that the god you serve is weak and mostly useless. Thankfully your god is not the God of Creation or the God of the cross. Your god is of this world. A creation from the figment of your imagination.
The Bible says that God must make them alive in Christ and by grace give them the gift of faith. Ephesians 2:1-10.
Once again you fail to read all of scripture and thus butcher Ephesians 2:8 with a pitiful man-centered interpretation. How did you get to be so bad at comprehension? I suspect you are born with it.
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Worth a read if you actually want to know the proper view of predestination, Robert:
https://www.ligonier.org/blog/reformed-view-predestination/
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beloved57
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You teach that Christ died for sinners that are lost, hence denying the Saving efficacy of His death. That is no Gospel!
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beloved57
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Once a person deprives Christs death and blood of its Saving efficacy, they deny the Gospel, and thats what pate does and everyone else who teach that Christ died for sinners that are lost !
Nanja
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Exactly, they deny the Gospel of the Grace of God 2 Tim. 1:9 which originates in Him and His Eternal Purpose in Christ before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9; Eph. 3:11, and instead teach the lie that God offers Grace to all men without exception, and by doing so, they demean the efficacy of Christ's Blood to depend on their own sinful will to accept it, by performing works of the flesh, i.e. believing, calling upon Him, etc. to produce saving effects.
So in their Depraved mind, it's not Christ's Blood that Saves, but the works of the flesh they do Rom. 8:8, which is Antichrist !
The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus has atoned for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2 also 1 John 4:14.
You problem is that you don't believe the Bible, instead you believe the words of a heretic.
No, Adam was created innocent. Only God is holy.