"I believe in the eternal security of the believer and in the insecurity of the make-believer." ~ J. Vernon McGee 1 Jn 5:13
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ECT THE FOLLY OF NOT BELIEVEING IN OSAS !!
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Amen
musterion
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That's it right there, and all their tapdancing to avoid that conclusion is worthless blather. If someone believes God's justification and the righteousness of Christ can be received but then lost, then that person cannot allow that ANYONE can know they're saved, as in "safe," because they may lose what they're given and be cast into the Lake. There's no way around that logic. That makes them enemies of the cross; they've obviously believed a gospel that won't let them know that they're SAFE IN CHRIST, which is exactly what Paul said we can know.
glorydaz
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That's one I'll have to remember. :thumb:
way 2 go
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so you receive the Holy Spirit only after you come to the
realization that OSAS . good to know
glorydaz
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so you receive the Holy Spirit only after you come to the
realization that OSAS . good to know
I'm thinking we receive the Holy Spirit when we are fully persuaded that God is able to perform what He promises.....giving us the GIFT of salvation....eternal life. We know it's not in our power to save or stay saved. I had never even heard the term OSAS, but I knew, thank the Lord, that it was not up to me....which is the rest we enter into.
musterion
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so you receive the Holy Spirit only after you come to the
realization that OSAS . good to know
What?
way 2 go
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what if you believe & confess :
Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame."
is it enough?
I agree
I believe in Once Saved Always Saved I don't believe it to be a prerequisite to salvation
glorydaz
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Actually, I think it is all right there. We are justified and saved by believing not by enduring....not by any works of righteousness....not by anything we have done. But by simply believing. Belief is a huge word and within the belief that saves is complete and absolute trust in God and the work of the cross.
Actually, I think it is all right there. We are justified and saved by believing not by enduring....not by any works of righteousness....not by anything we have done. But by simply believing. Belief is a huge word and within the belief that saves is complete and absolute trust in God and the work of the cross.
GD, given its derailing way back in that MAD forum thread, I never did get a chance to hear out/read what you had ever settled on as to the confess with the mouth part, there in Romans 10:10.
Just curious
glorydaz
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GD, given its derailing way back in that MAD forum thread, I never did get a chance to hear out/read what you had ever settled on as to the confess with the mouth part, there in Romans 10:10.
Just curious
Not confession of sins if that's what you're worried about.
way 2 go
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Actually, I think it is all right there. We are justified and saved by believing not by enduring....not by any works of righteousness....not by anything we have done. But by simply believing. Belief is a huge word and within the belief that saves is complete and absolute trust in God and the work of the cross.
I agree completely
Rom 10:9-10
so after believe & confess ...
if someone learns and believes :
Mat_24:13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
(not OSAS)
saved or not saved?
glorydaz
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You sure like to ask tough questions.
I'll give it my best shot. I'm convinced the answer can be found in the words "believe in your heart". When someone believes in their heart, the Holy Spirit sheds the love of God abroad on their heart and with that love comes full assurance of salvation. Then when we read verses like you just pointed out, and there are many of them that can create doubt, we are not convinced to doubt in our heart. It's that peace that passes understanding. Those who merely believe with their minds can be let away by that same mind, so they are unable to find that assurance. Their faith is really in themselves and not in the Lord.
glorydaz
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Oh, then I'm not sure what you were curious about. You lost me.
Lord, save us! Are you serious?
Isn't one's initial salvation experience about believing
Jesus died on the cross for his/her sins?
Yes indeed, God is very able to perform what He has promised
to those who co-operate with the precious Holy Spirit in being faithful
and going through the process of being fully sanctified unto holiness!
These are the ones who were elected before the foundation of the world.
God has seen the end from the beginning ... all of man's history!
He has seen who have co-operated in choosing to do their part of the covenant.
It is NOT similar to that idiotic "name it and claim it" doctrine ...
whereupon the foolish believer says,
"I claim my eternal salvation no matter how I live my life!"
Jesus is coming back for:
“… a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing …
holy and without blemish.” (Ephesians 5:27)
“… holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:
looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God” (Hebrews 12:14)
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oatmeal
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So your version of the gift of salvation Ephesians 2:8-9, is actually wages earned by your works, it is not actually a gift given by a loving and gracious and merciful God to someone in need of God's love and grace and mercy?
So Jesus Christ did not die on your behalf and pay for all your sins and shortcomings? Not even our inability to believe perfectly all the time from the point of receiving the gift of salvation onward?
How pathetic, why not believe Romans 5:1, I John 2:2, Romans 8:1, Romans 8:39?
Actually, I think it is all right there. We are justified and saved by believing not by enduring....not by any works of righteousness....not by anything we have done. But by simply believing. Belief is a huge word and within the belief that saves is complete and absolute trust in God and the work of the cross.
AMEN
amen, brother.