ECT THE FOLLY OF NOT BELIEVEING IN OSAS !!

glorydaz

glorydaz

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oatmeal said:
So your version of the gift of salvation Ephesians 2:8-9, is actually wages earned by your works, it is not actually a gift given by a loving and gracious and merciful God to someone in need of God's love and grace and mercy?

So Jesus Christ did not die on your behalf and pay for all your sins and shortcomings? Not even our inability to believe perfectly all the time from the point of receiving the gift of salvation onward?

How pathetic, why not believe Romans 5:1, I John 2:2, Romans 8:1, Romans 8:39?
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Nope, my definition of BELIEVE is different than yours. Seems you think believing is a work. Your problem, not mine.
 
glorydaz

glorydaz

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ZacharyB said:
Lord, save us! Are you serious?
Isn't one's initial salvation experience about believing
Jesus died on the cross for his/her sins?

Yes indeed, God is very able to perform what He has promised
to those who co-operate with the precious Holy Spirit in being faithful
and going through the process of being fully sanctified unto holiness!

These are the ones who were elected before the foundation of the world.
God has seen the end from the beginning ... all of man's history!
He has seen who have co-operated in choosing to do their part of the covenant.
It is NOT similar to that idiotic "name it and claim it" doctrine ...
whereupon the foolish believer says,
"I claim my eternal salvation no matter how I live my life!"

Jesus is coming back for:
“… a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing …
holy and without blemish.” (Ephesians 5:27)
“… holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:
looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God” (Hebrews 12:14)
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You worker bees are the tares that grow among the wheat. Be gone.
 
way 2 go

way 2 go

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glorydaz said:
You sure like to ask tough questions. :)

I'll give it my best shot. I'm convinced the answer can be found in the words "believe in your heart". When someone believes in their heart, the Holy Spirit sheds the love of God abroad on their heart and with that love comes full assurance of salvation. Then when we read verses like you just pointed out, and there are many of them that can create doubt, we are not convinced to doubt in our heart. It's that peace that passes understanding. Those who merely believe with their minds can be let away by that same mind, so they are unable to find that assurance. Their faith is really in themselves and not in the Lord.
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thank you for your answers :eek:
 
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