ECT MADists don't follow Paul

john w

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MADists claim the temple in Ezk 40-48 is a yet future temple. This yet future temple in Ezk 40-48 has animal sacrifices for sin atonement in it.

(Ezk 45:17) It will be the duty of the prince to provide the burnt offerings, grain offerings and drink offerings at the festivals, the New Moons and the Sabbaths—at all the appointed festivals of Israel. He will provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings and fellowship offerings to make atonement for the Israelites.

Christ Jesus made a one time sacrifice for sins forever. To claim God is going to require animal sacrifices for sin atonement in the future, is a direct slap in the face to what Christ Jesus accomplished on the cross, and proves MADists do not follow Paul.


Explain the animal sacrifices, pervert.
Since we allegedly slap Christ," do we deny what He accomplished on the cross, and are lost, sweetie?

Watch the spineless, wimpy noodle, punt.

Instead of addressing the passages in Ezk 40-48, you will go on and on about books based blah, blah, blah, or accuse me of baiting, blah, blah, blah, or acting like Jerry Shugart blah, blah, blah, or that I'm not really saved blah, blah, blah......

Address the passages-explain the sacrifices, offerings, little chin boy, weasel.
 

john w

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He didn't much of an answer.

First off, he said the animal sacrifices after the cross were lawful. That's in direct contraction to Hebrews 10.

Secondly, he claimed there will be animal sacrifices in the future because he said Ezekiel's temple vision will take place literally.

That's pretty much all he said, and all his answers are very easily refuted with scripture.

No, sweetie, he picked you apart, and you bailed from the debate, in denial, and embarrassed.
 

john w

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Yep.

Christ Jesus was the final and perfect sacrifice.

Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain.
Explain the animal sacrifices, depicted in Ezekiel, Isiah, Malachi..................... sweetie.


Malachi 3 KJV

1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.

2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner’s fire, and like fullers’ soap: 3 and he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness. 4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the Lord, as in the days of old, and as in former years.


5 years, of being asked that question, and the twitty weasel says NADA, because none of his infallible teachers, these "bunch of men," who he refuses to identify, who he claims, on record, are infallible, have commented on them.
 

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Malachi 3 KJV

1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.

2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner’s fire, and like fullers’ soap: 3 and he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness. 4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the Lord, as in the days of old, and as in former years.

Spurtially fulfilled in Jesus by the Body of Christ, which is Israel, His nation of priests, carrying the good news of the here-and-now Kingdom to a world that just keeps getting better and better, because it's the Kingdom and so there's really not much left to look forward to. Need to get your mind out of that Bible, JohnW, with all it's fulfilled fulfillment, and get with the program...the Kingdom program! It's hip! It's wow! It's now!
 

Interplanner

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Spurtially fulfilled in Jesus by the Body of Christ, which is Israel, His nation of priests, carrying the good news of the here-and-now Kingdom to a world that just keeps getting better and better, because it's the Kingdom and so there's really not much left to look forward to. Need to get your mind out of that Bible, JohnW, with all it's fulfilled fulfillment, and get with the program...the Kingdom program! It's hip! It's wow! It's now!


The pleasing would be as in the days of old; we are the new living sacrifices Rom 12, 2 Cor 6. It does not mean the system will be set up, or else be prepared to remove Hebrews from your Bibles. This is why lines of Malachi that are quoted by the NT are not literal. John the Baptist was the messenger.
 

Interplanner

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Spurtially fulfilled in Jesus by the Body of Christ, which is Israel, His nation of priests, carrying the good news of the here-and-now Kingdom to a world that just keeps getting better and better, because it's the Kingdom and so there's really not much left to look forward to. Need to get your mind out of that Bible, JohnW, with all it's fulfilled fulfillment, and get with the program...the Kingdom program! It's hip! It's wow! It's now!


You have also misunderstood or misrepresent the difference between the world and the reign of Christ. I know of nothing in the NT that equates them, however, there is progress in Christ's rule because more and more believe. And as you may have noticed from observing recent news and history, the Christian West is the superior place to live, and the fatalist countries are often that way because of the absence of Christian influence. So that is not a mistaken concept either.
 

tetelestai

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there is progress in Christ's rule because more and more believe.

That's correct.

There are more Christians today, then ever before (unless you're a MADist, then there's only a few dozen)

And as you may have noticed from observing recent news and history, the Christian West is the superior place to live,

However, there are more Christians in China today, then there is in the United States, but percentage wise, there are more Christians in the USA.
 

tetelestai

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Spurtially fulfilled in Jesus by the Body of Christ, which is Israel, His nation of priests, carrying the good news of the here-and-now Kingdom to a world that just keeps getting better and better,

Only Post-Millennialists think the world is going to get better and better.

The world will never get better and better.

because it's the Kingdom and so there's really not much left to look forward to.

The kingdom is not on planet earth. Try reading Paul's epistles. Paul makes it clear that those in Christ are citizens of Heaven, and here on earth are ambassadors.

My citizenship is in heaven. When I physically die, I will be instantly in the presence of the Lord.

Where will you go when you die?

Need to get your mind out of that Bible, JohnW, with all it's fulfilled fulfillment, and get with the program...the Kingdom program! It's hip! It's wow! It's now!

The two of you need to get your minds out of the false teachings of John Nelson Darby.

Those false teachings didn't exist before 1830.
 

john w

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Spurtially fulfilled in Jesus by the Body of Christ, which is Israel, His nation of priests, carrying the good news of the here-and-now Kingdom to a world that just keeps getting better and better, because it's the Kingdom and so there's really not much left to look forward to. Need to get your mind out of that Bible, JohnW, with all it's fulfilled fulfillment, and get with the program...the Kingdom program! It's hip! It's wow! It's now!
"As we can see," mustyboy, if you would "read further," and take off your "denial sunglasses," not one dispie/MADist, in the history of the Klingon empire/the world, can answer wimpy, weasel, little arms Craigie Tellalie's questions, as we "personally," not "impersonally," attack" him, "charactert assasinate" him, as we are all "dumb," and, obviously, all dispies are Darby fo0llowers, and cannot explain anythin', Ricky/Lucy, as we "follow the teachings of fallable men," not the "bunch of " infallible men, that sweetie pie Craigie follows, such as Flavey Joe, Bertrand, Wickipedia, J. Stuart Russell, Hammering Hank Hanegraaf, Gary DeMars, Ken Gentry, Max King, Todd Dennis, R.C. Sproul,......................................................... and his "man made" pastor,Ricky Knapp, from his "man made" "the" church, from which he was expelled-http://tetelestai.org/


He/we are in denial.
 

john w

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That's correct.

There are more Christians today, then ever before (unless you're a MADist, then there's only a few dozen)



However, there are more Christians in China today, then there is in the United States, but percentage wise, there are more Christians in the USA.

Explain the animal sacrifices, depicted in Ezekiel, Isiah, Malachi..................... sweetie. And identify this "everyone," that allegedly saw this "un physical" Saviour return in AD 70, as you assert, on record, which was obviously the Roman army, according to you.

Do be a dear, you push over wimp, spineless punk, that embarrasses members of the boc, with your perversions, and causes the lost to flee Christianity, laughing at our faith, as they mock your satanic "doctrine," and embarrass you, and expose you for the fraud that you are-identify this "everyone."

Asked over 200 times by me, and others, for years,and this weasel is silent.
 

john w

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The two of you need to get your minds out of the false teachings of John Nelson Darby.

Those false teachings didn't exist before 1830.

1. Explain the relevance, of "when" objective truth is discovered, as pertaining to its veracity, you deceifful punk, as I have asked you over 100 times, and Hilston asked you/challenged you, over and over, punk, before you folded, in that debate.

2. Your false "inventions" did not exist, until Russell.


3. Name one person, that "taught," what you "teach," on TOL, before you.



He won't touch this post. The punk knows I will pick his scrawny, like his physical frame, "argument," apart.



Right, you scrawny weasel/rodent/troll? Right....
 

john w

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:rotfl:

Actually, it's "mysteryboy", but "mustyboy" is close enough.

:rotfl:
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"I never name call, insult others.............."-Craigie

You whited wall actress, loser, you little arms punk. No wonder you were beat up most of your life, you cowardly, no spine weasel, and hypocrite.

And were did you get that effemninate, loser name, "Craigie," Craigie?
 

Tambora

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(Ezk 45:17) It will be the duty of the prince to provide the burnt offerings, grain offerings and drink offerings at the festivals, the New Moons and the Sabbaths—at all the appointed festivals of Israel. He will provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings and fellowship offerings to make atonement for the Israelites.

Many Darby followers like Tambora claim the future animal sacrifices will be for "memorial" purposes only.
Foolish peterist Darby hater making stuff up again.
I never said they were ONLY for memorial.

But if preterist Darby haters would read their bible, they too would know about the many times scripture tells us their offerings and sacrifices were for memorial to remember.

Here's just a few telling us they were for a memorial of the exodus from Egypt and a remembrance of sin.


Exodus 13:8 KJV​
(8) And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the LORD did unto me when I came forth out of Egypt.​
(9) And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.​



Numbers 5:15 KJV
(15) Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.​


Deuteronomy 15:15 KJV​
(15) And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee: therefore I command thee this thing to day.​
Hebrews 10:3 KJV​
(3) But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.




Exodus 12:14 KJV
(14) And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.



Exodus 30:16 KJV
(16) And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.




Numbers 5:18 KJV
(18) And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of ]memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse:


Numbers 5:26 KJV
(26) And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.




Leviticus 23:43 KJV​
(43) That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.​



Exodus 13:14 KJV​
(14) And it shall be when thy son asketh thee in time to come, saying, What is this? that thou shalt say unto him, By strength of hand the LORD brought us out from Egypt, from the house of bondage:​



Exodus 23:15 KJV​
(15) Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty​



Deuteronomy 16:3 KJV​
(3) Thou shalt eat no leavened bread with it; seven days shalt thou eat unleavened bread therewith, even the bread of affliction; for thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt in haste: that thou mayest remember the day when thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt all the days of thy life.​



Exodus 12:26-27 KJV​
(26) And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service?​
(27) That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the LORD'S passover, who passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he smote the Egyptians, and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped.​


Exodus 13:3 KJV​
(3) And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place: there shall no leavened bread be eaten.​






Even the Sabbath Day was to remember the exodus from Egypt.

Deuteronomy 5:15 KJV​
(15) And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.



Even the name of God was to be a memorial.

Exodus 3:15 KJV​
(15) And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.​





Preterist Darby haters would have you believe that an end was made of memorials at the cross.
But as we have clearly seen, even the offerings of the OT were a memorial (to keep remembering) of something that had already happened ----- out of Egypt.
And even after the cross, Paul and the disciples made sacrifices.
And were even told to keep a memorial of the death of Christ with bread and wine ---- Do this in remebrance of Me.
So, no, memorials were not done away with just because the cross already took place.

Hebrews 10:3 KJV​
(3) But in those sacrifices there is a [pinkremembrance[/pink] again made of sins every year.​



There is nothing wrong with having those memorials to remember the name of who's mighty and righteous hand rescued them from Egypt and to remind them of sin.


Preterist Darby haters love to try and convince the bible does not say what it says.
 

tetelestai

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Here's just a few telling us they were for a memorial of the exodus from Egypt and a remembrance of sin.

The animal sacrifices for sin atonement were a shadow of what was to come, Christ Jesus.

Christ Jesus made a one time sacrifice for all sins, forever.

Believers in Christ today do not sacrifice animals for their sins, nor will believers in the future sacrifice animals for their sins.

To claim animal sacrifices will be for sin atonement in the future is an evil, false, anti-Christ claim.

You are proving what an anti-Christ false belief system Dispensationalism really is.
 

Tambora

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The animal sacrifices for sin atonement were a shadow of what was to come, Christ Jesus.

Christ Jesus made a one time sacrifice for all sins, forever.

Believers in Christ today do not sacrifice animals for their sins, nor will believers in the future sacrifice animals for their sins.

To claim animal sacrifices will be for sin atonement in the future is an evil, false, anti-Christ claim.

You are proving what an anti-Christ false belief system Dispensationalism really is.
Preterist Darby haters love to disagree with scripture that offerings and sacrifices were a memorial.
 

tetelestai

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Preterist Darby haters love to disagree with scripture that offerings and sacrifices were a memorial.

I don't disagree with scripture.

Some of the offerings and sacrifices before the cross were a memorial.

Because of what Christ Jesus accomplished on the cross, the animal sacrifices ceased.

Hebrews 10 confirms this.
 

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"I never name call, insult others.............."-Craigie

You whited wall actress, loser, you little arms punk. No wonder you were beat up most of your life, you cowardly, no spine weasel, and hypocrite.

And were did you get that effemninate, loser name, "Craigie," Craigie?

You squirt!
 

Tambora

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I don't disagree with scripture.
Yes you do.

Some of the offerings and sacrifices before the cross were a memorial.

Because of what Christ Jesus accomplished on the cross, the animal sacrifices ceased.
Sacrifices and offerings were still made by the disciples AFTER the cross.
Having a vivid reminder of the mighty righteousness of God is and how weak and sinful men are is not a bad thing, Tet.
Not bad at all.

Hebrews 10 confirms this.
Hebrews confirms that sacrifices were a memorial.
Hebrews 10:3-4 KJV
(3) But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
(4) For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.​


If the old ones were a memorial, but never took away sin, then the future ones will be the same.
They never did take away sin and they never will, but they will remind you of sin the same as they always did.
 

tetelestai

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Sacrifices and offerings were still made by the disciples AFTER the cross.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say the Disciples, or any of the Christians were still sacrificing animals after the cross.

The animal sacrifices continued after the cross at the temple by the unbelieving-Christ rejecting Jews. These animal sacrifices were not condoned by God.

(Heb 10:11-14) 11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

It's impossible to read Hebrews 10, and then claim there will be future animal sacrifices for sin atonement.

Only someone with an agenda could possibly do so.
 
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