Honest struggles on God’s omniscience.

[Idolater]

If Jesus knew Judas didn't believe when He chose him to be one of the 12, it is not hard to believe that Jesus knew he would betray Him, especially since Judas was continuing his evil ways (he stole from the "bag"). Jesus probably even encouraged Judas in his deception by exalting the woman who poured expensive perfume on Him, because He chastized Judas. But why does that mean Jesus knows every decision you and I will ever make? Do you think God encourages us in every decision we make?

First, did He already know the answer to the question He posed, "Will ye also go away?"

 

[Derf]

First, did He already know the answer to the question He posed, "Will ye also go away?"

At what time? When He first chose them (no, I don't think so)? At the time He asked the question (maybe)? or at the time He was arrested in the Garden (yes, and they did)?

 

[Nick M]

70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” 71 He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve.

It is amazing, but maybe it shouldn't be, how many people that engage in theology on X either don't know what the Bible says, or ignore it because it shows they are wrong.

 

[Derf]

70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” 71 He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve.

It is amazing, but maybe it shouldn't be, how many people that engage in theology on X either don't know what the Bible says, or ignore it because it shows they are wrong.

is that supposed to be addressed to me?

 

[Nick M]

is that supposed to be addressed to me?

No. But anyone that wants to know why Judas was chosen, I think this is why.

 

[Derf]

No. But anyone that wants to know why Judas was chosen, I think this is why.

Because he was a devil? That's what I think.

 

[way 2 go]

So what did he really mean? If you say it doesn't mean what it says, then tell us. Don't be like that lost soul godrulz.

like I said
so the open theist wants us to believe God was prophesying his own sacrifice for the sin of the world without knowing whether Abraham would do it . Genesis 22:12 ,Revelation 13:8

God said : "now I know you fear me " Not that God gained new information , he said it for Abraham’s and Isaac’s benefit as praising a child for doing what you knew they would do

 

[Derf]

like I said
so the open theist wants us to believe God was prophesying his own sacrifice for the sin of the world without knowing whether Abraham would do it . Genesis 22:12 ,Revelation 13:8

God said : "now I know you fear me " Not that God gained new information , he said it for Abraham’s and Isaac’s benefit as praising a child for doing what you knew they would do

Saying something for a child's benefit doesn't mean one has to give a false statement.

 

[Nick M]

so the open theist wants us to believe God was prophesying his own sacrifice for the sin of the world without knowing whether Abraham would do it

What if Abraham told him no. He can't kill his own child?

 

[way 2 go]

Open Theists are not “denying Scripture” merely because we refuse to accept the Classical Theist interpretation of passages where God repents, relents, tests, investigates, responds, or says “now I know.”

The accusation was that Open Theists deny Scripture.

Derf’s point was that this accusation is empty, because anyone can throw it back the other direction.

The real question is not, “Do you deny Scripture?”, but rather “Which interpretation actually follows the text?”

the question is still , Do open theist deny Scripture ?

open theist like to take a text and then pretend the rest of scripture does not exist and interpret the text without scripture

open theist have God needing to go to sodom to figure it out if the place was evil , so much for all knowing ,


(Genesis 18:21) I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which has come to Me. And if not, I will know

God knew

(Genesis 13:13) But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD, exceedingly so.