Does man naturally have ability to Seek God ?

beloved57

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If God has turned them they don't need to turn to Him of themselves.
And you end up with a "church" full of the unturned from sin.
It must be easy to be a Calvinist, as there is nothing to believe.
Christianity on the other hand, has much to believe in in order to be found in the book of life on the day of judgement.

Your findings on the word of God make it obvious that God will destroy all who He has not turned.
So everyone in the lake of fire will be able to rightly say..."It isn't my fault I am here!"
I don't believe your doctrine.
See turning to God is conversion, Christ as Saviour is the author of our conversion, its part of the Gift of Salvation Acts 3:26


Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

The word turning here is the same word for turn in 2 Cor 3:16

Its Gods blessing to turn to the Lord. Otherwise, man doesnt seek after God Rom 3:11


11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
 

Hoping

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See turning to God is conversion, Christ as Saviour is the author of our conversion, its part of the Gift of Salvation Acts 3:26


Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

The word turning here is the same word for turn in 2 Cor 3:16

Its Gods blessing to turn to the Lord. Otherwise, man doesnt seek after God Rom 3:11


11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Yep, God made it possible for us to turn from sin and unto Him.
I thank God for the gifts of repentance from sin, water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, and the gift of the Holy Ghost that keeps me on the straight and narrow.
And I thank Him for His word.
 

beloved57

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Yep, God made it possible for us to turn from sin and unto Him.
I thank God for the gifts of repentance from sin, water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, and the gift of the Holy Ghost that keeps me on the straight and narrow.
And I thank Him for His word.
God of scripture doesnt make things possible, He turns us, then we turn.
 

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When I say men naturally i mean the unregenerate man, in the flesh, never born again ? Can this person seek after the True and Living God ? The answer is NO !

Wrong answer.
The correct answer is YES

God wrote the laws of nature as he created all things, and man naturally seeks his creator.

God, infinitely perfect and blessed in himself, in a plan of sheer goodness freely created man to make him share in his own blessed life. For this reason, at every time and in every place, God draws close to man. He calls man to seek him, to know him, to love him with all his strength. He calls together all men, scattered and divided by sin, into the unity of his family, the Church. To accomplish this, when the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son as Redeemer and Saviour. In his Son and through him, he invites men to become, in the Holy Spirit, his adopted children and thus heirs of his blessed life.

So that this call should resound throughout the world, Christ sent forth the apostles he had chosen, commissioning them to proclaim the gospel: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age." Strengthened by this mission, the apostles "went forth and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by the signs that attended it."

Those who with God's help have welcomed Christ's call and freely responded to it are urged on by love of Christ to proclaim the Good News everywhere in the world. This treasure, received from the apostles, has been faithfully guarded by their successors. All Christ's faithful are called to hand it on from generation to generation, by professing the faith, by living it in fraternal sharing, and by celebrating it in liturgy and prayer
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The answer is No. Rom 3:11
There is none that understandeth: there is none that seeketh God.


You twist and misinterpret the scripture. No surprise there. I was correct.

The correct answer is YES, man CAN naturally seek God. God wrote the laws of nature as he created all things, and man naturally seeks his creator.

Now, a man may go astray in his seeking and end up in the wrong place. I will grant you that much. But the inner desire to seek his creator is written in the heart of EVERY man.
 

beloved57

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You twist and misinterpret the scripture. No surprise there. I was correct.

The correct answer is YES, man CAN naturally seek God. God wrote the laws of nature as he created all things, and man naturally seeks his creator.

Now, a man may go astray in his seeking and end up in the wrong place. I will grant you that much. But the inner desire to seek his creator is written in the heart of EVERY man.
Friend the answer is plain, No Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
 

beloved57

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That throws free will out the window. You are wrong again.
It sure does. No Im right and scripture is right. In order for a person to turn to the True God, they have to be first turned by Him. God must choose a person and cause the person to approach Him Ps 65:4

4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple. Its God who produces the effect of coming to Him or turning to Him !
 

beloved57

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cc said

Now, a man may go astray in his seeking and end up in the wrong place. I will grant you that much. But the inner desire to seek his creator is written in the heart of EVERY man.

Mans natural desire for his creator is there, thats why we are naturally religious by nature. Do you know how many religions there are in the world ? There are over 4,200 religions in the world. Now Paul shows us in Rom 1 how mans natural desire for his Creator has spiraled into Idolatry Rom 1:19-ff

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened
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22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

So the indictment stands, Man naturally doesnt seek the True God, the True Creator, but he does seek a god, and worships a god, man is religous.

The Only way to know and Worship the True God is through the Person and Work of Jesus Christ and His revealing God Jn 17:2-3
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
 

beloved57

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The natural unregenerate man needs God desperately, we need to be quickened by God by His Mercy and Love Eph 2:4-5

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Apart from this merciful move from God, we are without any hope in this world, being spiritually dead unto God, the True God. See no natural man by nature in a unregenerate state, craves, searches for,worships or seeks the favor of the True God of Election, but contrarily scorns and holds Him in contempt ! Rom 8:7

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The word carnal here is the word sarx and its the very same word translated flesh in Vs 8

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

And all men by nature, in the unregenerate state, are #1 in the flesh and #2 carnal !
 

beloved57

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By nature, there is nothing in us, in regards to our sinful flesh/nature which causes us to seek the True and Living God, neither to even understand the things of the True God Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

This isnt altered until we are born of the Spirit Jn 3:6-7

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
 

beloved57

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Now do men ever seek after the True God ? Acts 17:26-27

26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

Acts 15:16-18

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

So yes, those whom God seeks out first with His regenerating grace and His effectual call, they will be caused to seek the Lord and put their Trust in Him, yet He Himself is the originating cause of their seeking Him Ps 65:4

4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.
 
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