Christ name is

[CherubRam]

No.

God is spirit.

'God' as Spirit is the Source of all gender.

'God' nowhere says he is 'male',.... 'he' is referred to in the masculine form/pronoun as a matter of convention as being 'Our Father'. 'God' while including all gender, transcends it altogether, since 'God' is INFINITE. - 'God' even transcends our finite concept of 'personhood' and 'personality'....but is the Source of such.

When God created man in his own image and likeness,....that image and likeness was in BOTH genders. Do you FOLLOW? BOTH masculine and feminine qualities, attributes, characteristics ORIGINATE from within 'God'. A title such as 'Father-Mother-God' is simply the recognition of this truth.

For understanding better my views on this see my former commentaries here.

Also my older commentary on 'evolution/creaiton' & 'gender' here

Sadly, people are interpreting my references on 'gender' carnally. What is to be understood is the deeper metaphysical nature, qualities and attributes of gender, as they originate from SOURCE.

Since YHWH is the name and identity of 'God' among the Jews, YHWH would mirror that nature and form that is his 'image' and 'likeness',...naturally. But enough on 'gender', let us go into the 'name' of 'Jesus' now, since that is the thread's title-subject.

[FONT=&quot]Malachi 1:6[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][ Breaking Covenant Through Blemished Sacrifices ] “A son honors his father, and a slave his master. If I am a father, where is the honor due me? If I am a master, where is the respect due me?” says the Lord Almighty. “It is you priests who show contempt for my name. “But you ask, ‘How have we shown contempt for your name?’[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 5:48[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 6:14[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 6:26[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 6:32[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 15:13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 18:35[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]John 17:11[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 5:16[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 5:45[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 6:1[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][ Giving to the Needy ] “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 6:9[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“This, then, is how you should pray: “‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 7:11[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 10:32[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 10:33[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 12:50[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 16:17[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 18:10[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][ The Parable of the Wandering Sheep ] “See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 18:14[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 18:19[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Mark 11:25[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Luke 11:13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]

 

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Reconfirming, then Redirecting......

Reconfirming, then Redirecting......

Spoiler

[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Malachi+1:6&version=NIV"]Malachi 1:6[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="][ [I]Breaking Covenant Through Blemished Sacrifices[/I] ] “A son honors his father, and a slave his master. If I [B]am[/B] [B]a[/B] [B]father[/B], where is the honor due me? If I am a master, where is the respect due me?” says the Lord Almighty. “It is you priests who show contempt for my name. “But you ask, ‘How have we shown contempt for your name?’[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5:48&version=NIV"]Matthew 5:48[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="]Be perfect, therefore, as your [B]heavenly[/B] [B]Father[/B] is perfect.[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6:14&version=NIV"]Matthew 6:14[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="]For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your [B]heavenly[/B] [B]Father[/B] will also forgive you.[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6:26&version=NIV"]Matthew 6:26[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="]Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your [B]heavenly[/B] [B]Father[/B] feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6:32&version=NIV"]Matthew 6:32[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="]For the pagans run after all these things, and your [B]heavenly[/B] [B]Father[/B] knows that you need them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+15:13&version=NIV"]Matthew 15:13[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="]He replied, “Every plant that my [B]heavenly[/B] [B]Father[/B] has not planted will be pulled up by the roots.[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+18:35&version=NIV"]Matthew 18:35[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="]“This is how my [B]heavenly[/B] [B]Father[/B] will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+17:11&version=NIV"]John 17:11[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="]I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. [B]Holy[/B] [B]Father[/B], protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5:16&version=NIV"]Matthew 5:16[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="]In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your [B]Father[/B] [B]in[/B] [B]heaven[/B].[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5:45&version=NIV"]Matthew 5:45[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="]that you may be children of your [B]Father[/B] [B]in[/B] [B]heaven[/B]. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6:1&version=NIV"]Matthew 6:1[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="][ [I]Giving to the Needy[/I] ] “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your [B]Father[/B] [B]in[/B] [B]heaven[/B].[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6:9&version=NIV"]Matthew 6:9[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="]“This, then, is how you should pray: “‘Our [B]Father[/B] [B]in[/B] [B]heaven[/B], hallowed be your name,[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7:11&version=NIV"]Matthew 7:11[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="]If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your [B]Father[/B] [B]in[/B] [B]heaven[/B] give good gifts to those who ask him![/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+10:32&version=NIV"]Matthew 10:32[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="]“Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my [B]Father[/B] [B]in[/B] [B]heaven[/B].[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+10:33&version=NIV"]Matthew 10:33[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="]But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my [B]Father[/B] [B]in[/B] [B]heaven[/B].[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+12:50&version=NIV"]Matthew 12:50[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="]For whoever does the will of my [B]Father[/B] [B]in[/B] [B]heaven[/B] is my brother and sister and mother.”[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+16:17&version=NIV"]Matthew 16:17[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="]Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my [B]Father[/B] [B]in[/B] [B]heaven[/B].[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+18:10&version=NIV"]Matthew 18:10[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="][ [I]The Parable of the Wandering Sheep[/I] ] “See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my [B]Father[/B] [B]in[/B] [B]heaven[/B].[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+18:14&version=NIV"]Matthew 18:14[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="]In the same way your [B]Father[/B] [B]in[/B] [B]heaven[/B] is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+18:19&version=NIV"]Matthew 18:19[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="]“Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my [B]Father[/B] [B]in[/B] [B]heaven[/B].[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+11:25&version=NIV"]Mark 11:25[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="]And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your [B]Father[/B] [B]in[/B] [B]heaven[/B] may forgive you your sins.”[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+11:13&version=NIV"]Luke 11:13[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT="]If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your [B]Father[/B] [B]in[/B] [B]heaven[/B] give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [/FONT]

Spoiler

Hi CR,

My former commentary holds, and it would be a matter of really reading and comprehending what is being shared :thumb:

I've shared the fundamentals of my view on 'God' and 'gender' and there is no need to go on 'splitting' hairs with those approaching this subject 'carnally' and with limited understanding, since I'm speaking of the metaphysical and attributal qualities of 'gender', of whom 'God' is their SOURCE, as 'Man' is the individualized express IMAGE and LIKENESS of 'God'. ('man' is a constitution of male/female synergy)

"As above, so below".

These are universal and esoteric truths, which the nature of 'Man' reflects, within the mirror of spirit. - recognizing such honors and glorifies 'God', hence my sharing. YHWH then, if truly the primal Creator, is the reflective source of gender revealed in and as 'Man'. I will leave these matters for those who choose to research the subject and engage my understanding of such by researching my former commentary and insights on the subject. Nowhere have I denied that 'God' is our 'Heavenly Father', however...I dont limit 'God' to just one role, name, function, gender-title or denomination,...because 'God' is INFINITE. I honor God as 'Father', of course, even as Jesus did,...but also recognize 'God' as MOTHER. God is love.


~*~*~

Now we can be done with this (relagate such to its own thread, or to my cosmic cafe thread), and move onto Christ's name....which has its own possible complications, on different levels, unless we clarify meanings, applications and context. I dont have too much a problem referring to the Son of God or Messiah as 'Jesus' recognizing the hebrew equivalent to this name is 'Yeshua', meaning 'Yahweh's salvation', or 'YHWH saves'. Some holy name movements are more dogmatic over the name and REFUSE and REJECT the english name 'Jesus' and the religious image and character that has been associated with that name, particularly those among the black Israelite camps. But this is an interesting subject to explore and its implications.

 

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'Yeshua' as a basic rendering of 'Jesus'

'Yeshua' as a basic rendering of 'Jesus'

A good basic intro. on the name of 'Jesus' issue, the process of 'transliteration'. Some however recognizing this still believe that 'Jesus' should NOT be used, but some variation of Yeshua, Yahoshua, Yahshua, Yahusha, Yahushua, Yahawashi, etc.

I might add there are a number of ministries going with the name 'Yahusha' (without the 'shua' or its pronounciation) as the most correct form of Messiah's name, for various reasons. Again, some can take this to a more dogmatic issue, others are more liberal about name form and pronounciation, as each school has their "preferred rendering".

 

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Meta-tations.................

Meta-tations.................

To cause a woman to become pregnant requires a father.

That is still referencing gender within a 'carnal mind-set'. You need to go to the metaphysical aspects and principle of gender behind all form and creative expression.

Please see my former commentary with linked posts, CLEARLY expounding upon the 'principle of 'gender', the polarity of energy, soul, spirit which inheres and expresses within Nature (God), not only thru-out the cosmos, but in Man, since 'Man' is made/created in the image and likeness of a singular 'God' (Being), who is also 'Bi'( synergy of 2 principles), so on this level Deity is 'bi-une'. The title 'Father-Mother-God' simply refers to 'God' as 'Parent' of all. As we noted earlier, since 'God' is SPIRIT, He transcends material form, even space or time...but permeates, orders and governs the movements of creation, life reproduction, etc.

'God' as Pure Spirit of course is beyond all form, names, titles, even 'gender'...but includes all, and in the realm of creation assumes various forms, names, titles, genders to RELATE within Creation. - hence our engagement of life is a co-creative venture of language and form.

 

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Bump -

I think I'll bump this up again to ask CR if he is calling the personality otherwise known as 'Jesus'..by the name of 'Yeshua', 'Yahshua' or some other 'Y' version of 'Johsua' and if he feels this is more correct, and if it really enriches his religious experience or not.

As we've noted previously, there are grammatical and pronounciation issues with the divine name and Jesus name, as well as considering that "a rose is a rose by any name". Taking these into consideration, maybe it doesnt matter what 'name' or 'label' you slap on any thing or person, as long as you are REFERRING to the same essential personality, character or essential form of that subject to which you are giving the 'name'.

 

[CherubRam]

Bump -

I think I'll bump this up again to ask CR if he is calling the personality otherwise known as 'Jesus'..by the name of 'Yeshua', 'Yahshua' or some other 'Y' version of 'Johsua' and if he feels this is more correct, and if it really enriches his religious experience or not.

As we've noted previously, there are grammatical and pronounciation issues with the divine name and Jesus name, as well as considering that "a rose is a rose by any name". Taking these into consideration, maybe it doesnt matter what 'name' or 'label' you slap on any thing or person, as long as you are REFERRING to the same essential personality, character or essential form of that subject to which you are giving the 'name'.

Correct names do matter. What if people were calling God Satan, or Allah? Joshua is the misspelling of Yahshua.

The letter J

The great majority of Germanic languages; such as German, Dutch, Icelandic, Swedish, Danish and Norwegian; use J for the palatal approximant /j/, which is the letter "y" in English. J in German is called "Yot," with a Y. OK, so German pronounces J as Y but the English does not. That is strange because English is related to German. Some scholars believe that the letter J was introduced to keep people from pronouncing Gods name.

 

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Rose Garden..............

Rose Garden..............

Correct names do matter. What if people were calling God Satan, or Allah? Joshua is the misspelling of Yahshua.

The letter J

The great majority of Germanic languages; such as German, Dutch, Icelandic, Swedish, Danish and Norwegian; use J for the palatal approximant /j/, which is the letter "y" in English. J in German is called "Yot," with a Y. OK, so German pronounces J as Y but the English does not. That is strange because English is related to German. Some scholars believe that the letter J was introduced to keep people from pronouncing Gods name.

Wonderful,...as we've already covered aspects of the 'translation' issue and in video presentations here, besides other metaphysical meanings or value the 'names' of 'God' and his Christ might have. So I would gather then that you say Jesus name as 'Yeshua' or some variation thereof, rather than the traditional 'Jesus' rendition? That was just a simple curiosity.

As far as the deeper name of the tetragrammaton covered early, I find it much more interesting as the Universal Deity is the One Infinite Source of all that exists, and is naturally by its Being, the fountainhead of all religious truths, being the spring from which all religion, whether 'evolutional' or 'revelational' has its origin.

I dont have a problem with using the English name 'Jesus', but encourage an education on how we got that name in the translation process from one language to another, but as far as a particular spelling or pronounciation of a name, as giving it some kind of magical power by its specific 'wording', thats a more debatable issue, and perhaps a matter of personal opinion or 'faith'. Back to 'a rose is a rose by any name'.

As far as YHWH goes, no one knows the correct rendition of the 'name', but can only provide approximations, further conditioned by so many factors and at last ones own proclivities, so that at the end of the day, Deity remains as the 'Unknown God', and abides forever as that eternal and infinite mystery at the Heart, and AS the Heart of the cosmos.

 

[CherubRam]

Wonderful,...as we've already covered aspects of the 'translation' issue and in video presentations here, besides other metaphysical meanings or value the 'names' of 'God' and his Christ might have. So I would gather then that you say Jesus name as 'Yeshua' or some variation thereof, rather than the traditional 'Jesus' rendition? That was just a simple curiosity.

As far as the deeper name of the tetragrammaton covered early, I find it much more interesting as the Universal Deity is the One Infinite Source of all that exists, and is naturally by its Being, the fountainhead of all religious truths, being the spring from which all religion, whether 'evolutional' or 'revelational' has its origin.

I dont have a problem with using the English name 'Jesus', but encourage an education on how we got that name in the translation process from one language to another, but as far as a particular spelling or pronounciation of a name, as giving it some kind of magical power by its specific 'wording', thats a more debatable issue, and perhaps a matter of personal opinion or 'faith'. Back to 'a rose is a rose by any name'.

As far as YHWH goes, no one knows the correct rendition of the 'name', but can only provide approximations, further conditioned by so many factors and at last ones own proclivities, so that at the end of the day, Deity remains as the 'Unknown God', and abides forever as that eternal and infinite mystery at the Heart, and AS the Heart of the cosmos.

[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]History of the name Jesus: [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The English form "Jesus" was not seen nor spoken until after the year 1525,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]when Sir William Tyndale, a Protestant Reformer from Oxford, England; invented it. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Yahshua worked to fulfill prophecy by establishing God's Holy Name in the New Testament. But Trinitarian Christians burned the originals to establish their own version of scriptures. If this is not true, then show me God's actual personal name in the New Testament.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Hebrews 2:12
He says, “I will declare your name to my brothers and sisters; in the assembly I will sing your praises.”

[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Because the Galileans always dropped their 'ayins', hence "y'shu," for which in the talmud many Jewish people use as an acronym meaning “may his name be blotted out”. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The letters in "YSHU" stood for the sentence, "Yemach Shmo u'Zikro" meaning "may his name be blotted out" (from the scroll of life). According to a Jewish proverb, the worst death is eternal anonymity.

[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Honor His Name[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
For thousands of years the refusing to use a person's name has been a direct form of dishonor. Shortening the name, replacing the name, distorting the name, all are signs of dishonor.
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Honorable Mention
An “honorable mention” is a title of distinction given to a person worthy of mention. Upon honoring the person their name is mentioned, so their name has a place of honor known among the people.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Malachi 1:6
“A son honors his father, and a slave his master. If I am a father, where is the honor due me? If I am a master, where is the respect due me?” says [the LORD / Yahwah] Almighty. “It is you priests who show contempt for my name. “But you ask, ‘How have we shown contempt for your name?’
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Malachi 2:2[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
If you do not listen, and if you do not resolve to honor my name,” says [the LORD / Yahwah Almighty], “I will send a curse on you, and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not resolved to honor me.



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The Nameless One,....assumes a name or names...but such are only 'assumed'.

The Nameless One,....assumes a name or names...but such are only 'assumed'.

[FONT="] [/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT="]History of the name Jesus: [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[B][FONT="]The English form "Jesus" was not seen nor spoken until after the year 1525,[/FONT][/B][FONT="] [/FONT][/B][B][FONT="]when Sir William Tyndale, a Protestant Reformer from Oxford, England; invented it. [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]
Yahshua worked to fulfill prophecy by establishing God's Holy Name in the New Testament. But Trinitarian Christians burned the originals to establish their own version of scriptures. If this is not true, then show me God's actual personal name in the New Testament.[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]Hebrews 2:12
He says, “I will declare your name to my brothers and sisters; in the assembly I will sing your praises.”

[/FONT]
[FONT="]Because the Galileans always dropped their 'ayins', hence "y'shu," for which in the talmud many Jewish people use as an acronym meaning “may his name be blotted out”. [/FONT]
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[FONT="]The letters in "YSHU" stood for the sentence, "Yemach Shmo u'Zikro" meaning "may his name be blotted out" (from the scroll of life). According to a Jewish proverb, the worst death is eternal anonymity.

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For thousands of years the refusing to use a person's name has been a direct form of dishonor. Shortening the name, replacing the name, distorting the name, all are signs of dishonor.
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Honorable Mention
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Malachi 1:6
“A son honors his father, and a slave his master. If I am a father, where is the honor due me? If I am a master, where is the respect due me?” says [the LORD / Yahwah] Almighty. “It is you priests who show contempt for my name. “But you ask, ‘How have we shown contempt for your name?’
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If you do not listen, and if you do not resolve to honor my name,” says [the LORD / Yahwah Almighty], “I will send a curse on you, and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not resolved to honor me.



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In all of this however, it may not be the precise spelling or prononciation of a 'name' that 'God' is concerned about, but that one knows, honors and values his 'character, nature, reality',...which is the IDentification of 'God', his PRESENCE.

As we've seen so far in our discussion,......a 'Y' form of the tetragrammaton is more correct than a 'J', but all else is but grammatical confusions and a matter of various rules of configuration. All language is but symbolic. God's name is his very nature, identity, being, character....and this is what the divine name points to. This is what is of greatest import, value and significance.

'God' himself is above all denomination, beyond words, beyond even knowledge. God just IS. Infinity. But still, God is nothing that we can call him, or designate him in words, symbols or forms,...being incorporeal and formless in essence. He or She may assume many different forms or personalities, and 'God' does that....which includes us all, as the play of his Creation. That is all that is going on....'God' and God's Creation. Consciousness....and all its forms inter-acting.

 

[daqq]

Who can tell what this says?

http://biblehub.com/text/revelation/19-12.htm

Revelation 19:12 Nestle GNT 1904
οἱ δὲ ὀφθαλμοὶ αὐτοῦ φλὸξ πυρός, καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ διαδήματα πολλά, ἔχων ὄνομα γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς οἶδεν εἰ μὴ αὐτός,

Revelation 19:12 Westcott and Hort 1881
οἱ δὲ ὀφθαλμοὶ αὐτοῦ φλὸξ πυρός, καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ διαδήματα πολλά, ἔχων ὄνομα γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς οἶδεν εἰ μὴ αὐτός,

Revelation 19:12 Westcott and Hort / [NA27 variants]
οἱ δὲ ὀφθαλμοὶ αὐτοῦ [ὡς] φλὸξ πυρός, καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ διαδήματα πολλά, ἔχων ὄνομα γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς οἶδεν εἰ μὴ αὐτός,

Revelation 19:12 RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
Οἱ δὲ ὀφθαλμοὶ αὐτοῦ φλὸξ πυρός, καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ διαδήματα πολλά· ἔχων ὀνόματα γεγραμμένα καὶ ὄνομα γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς ο ἴδεν εἰ μὴ αὐτός,

Revelation 19:12 Greek Orthodox Church 1904
οἱ δὲ ὀφθαλμοὶ αὐτοῦ ὡς φλὸξ πυρός, καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ διαδήματα πολλά, ἔχων ὀνόματα γεγραμμένα, καὶ ὄνομα γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς οἶδεν εἰ μὴ αὐτός,

Revelation 19:12 Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
οἱ δὲ ὀφθαλμοὶ αὐτοῦ ὡς φλὸξ πυρός καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ διαδήματα πολλά ἔχων ὄνομα γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς οἶδεν εἰ μὴ αὐτός

"ει μη" does not mean "except", ("ει" = "if") . . .

He has a name WRITTEN which no one without him knows: Ι̅H (Yota-Eta).

 

[JudgeRightly]

Who can tell what this says?

http://biblehub.com/text/revelation/19-12.htm

Revelation 19:12 Nestle GNT 1904
οἱ δὲ ὀφθαλμοὶ αὐτοῦ φλὸξ πυρός, καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ διαδήματα πολλά, ἔχων ὄνομα γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς οἶδεν εἰ μὴ αὐτός,

Revelation 19:12 Westcott and Hort 1881
οἱ δὲ ὀφθαλμοὶ αὐτοῦ φλὸξ πυρός, καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ διαδήματα πολλά, ἔχων ὄνομα γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς οἶδεν εἰ μὴ αὐτός,

Revelation 19:12 Westcott and Hort / [NA27 variants]
οἱ δὲ ὀφθαλμοὶ αὐτοῦ [ὡς] φλὸξ πυρός, καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ διαδήματα πολλά, ἔχων ὄνομα γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς οἶδεν εἰ μὴ αὐτός,

Revelation 19:12 RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
Οἱ δὲ ὀφθαλμοὶ αὐτοῦ φλὸξ πυρός, καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ διαδήματα πολλά· ἔχων ὀνόματα γεγραμμένα καὶ ὄνομα γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς ο ἴδεν εἰ μὴ αὐτός,

Revelation 19:12 Greek Orthodox Church 1904
οἱ δὲ ὀφθαλμοὶ αὐτοῦ ὡς φλὸξ πυρός, καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ διαδήματα πολλά, ἔχων ὀνόματα γεγραμμένα, καὶ ὄνομα γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς οἶδεν εἰ μὴ αὐτός,

Revelation 19:12 Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
οἱ δὲ ὀφθαλμοὶ αὐτοῦ ὡς φλὸξ πυρός καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ διαδήματα πολλά ἔχων ὄνομα γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς οἶδεν εἰ μὴ αὐτός

"ει μη" does not mean "except", ("ει" = "if") . . .

He has a name WRITTEN which no one without him knows: Ι̅H (Yota-Eta).

Καὶ κέκληται τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ, Ο Δόγοσ τοῦ Θεοῦ.

 

[daqq]

Καὶ κέκληται τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ, Ο Δόγοσ τοῦ Θεοῦ.

Yes, the Logos of God, that name is well known.
But moreover what of the following?

1 Corinthians 12:3
3 διο γνωριζω υμιν οτι ουδεις εν πνευματι Θ̅Υ λαλων λεγει αναθεμα Ι̅H[Ϲ] και ουδεις δυναται ειπειν Κ̅Ϲ Ι̅H[Ϲ] ει μη εν πνευματι αγιω
3 Wherefore I make known to you, that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Ι̅H anathema", and no one can say, "Κ̅Ϲ Ι̅H", if not by the Holy Spirit.

Nomina Sacra, Nomina Sacra, Nomina Sacra everywhere, (in the manuscripts and fragments).

 

[freelight]

Who can tell what this says?

http://biblehub.com/text/revelation/19-12.htm

Revelation 19:12 Nestle GNT 1904
οἱ δὲ ὀφθαλμοὶ αὐτοῦ φλὸξ πυρός, καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ διαδήματα πολλά, ἔχων ὄνομα γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς οἶδεν εἰ μὴ αὐτός,

Revelation 19:12 Westcott and Hort 1881
οἱ δὲ ὀφθαλμοὶ αὐτοῦ φλὸξ πυρός, καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ διαδήματα πολλά, ἔχων ὄνομα γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς οἶδεν εἰ μὴ αὐτός,

Revelation 19:12 Westcott and Hort / [NA27 variants]
οἱ δὲ ὀφθαλμοὶ αὐτοῦ [ὡς] φλὸξ πυρός, καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ διαδήματα πολλά, ἔχων ὄνομα γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς οἶδεν εἰ μὴ αὐτός,

Revelation 19:12 RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
Οἱ δὲ ὀφθαλμοὶ αὐτοῦ φλὸξ πυρός, καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ διαδήματα πολλά· ἔχων ὀνόματα γεγραμμένα καὶ ὄνομα γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς ο ἴδεν εἰ μὴ αὐτός,

Revelation 19:12 Greek Orthodox Church 1904
οἱ δὲ ὀφθαλμοὶ αὐτοῦ ὡς φλὸξ πυρός, καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ διαδήματα πολλά, ἔχων ὀνόματα γεγραμμένα, καὶ ὄνομα γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς οἶδεν εἰ μὴ αὐτός,

Revelation 19:12 Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
οἱ δὲ ὀφθαλμοὶ αὐτοῦ ὡς φλὸξ πυρός καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ διαδήματα πολλά ἔχων ὄνομα γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς οἶδεν εἰ μὴ αὐτός

"ει μη" does not mean "except", ("ει" = "if") . . .

He has a name WRITTEN which no one without him knows: Ι̅H (Yota-Eta).

'God' is beyond name in his essential Beingness. You admit his 'name' in unknowable,...even if its somehow assumed one somehow knows it. A peculiar situation indeed

 

[daqq]

'God' is beyond name in his essential Beingness. You admit his 'name' in unknowable,...even if its somehow assumed one somehow knows it. A peculiar situation indeed

Which "God" do you mean? :chuckle:

 

[JudgeRightly]

Yes, the Logos of God, that name is well known.
But moreover what of the following?

1 Corinthians 12:3
3 διο γνωριζω υμιν οτι ουδεις εν πνευματι Θ̅Υ λαλων λεγει αναθεμα Ι̅H και ουδεις δυναται ειπειν Κ̅Ϲ Ι̅H ει μη εν πνευματι αγιω
3 Wherefore I make known to you, that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Ι̅H anathema", and no one can say, "Κ̅Ϲ Ι̅H", if not by the Holy Spirit.

Nomina Sacra, Nomina Sacra, Nomina Sacra everywhere, (in the manuscripts and fragments).

I'm not sure where you're getting those different words.

Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. - 1 Corinthians 12:3 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians12:3&version=NKJV

legei ANATHEMA IESOUS is what is written.
λέγει ΑΝΑΘΕΜΑ ΙΕΣΟΥΣ
[says] [accursed (is)] [Jesus]

 

[freelight]

Which "God" do you mean? :chuckle:

I refer to the Absolute reality or Source of all that is, which is INFINITE in nature. This 'God' could assume many different names or forms. How would you even know if your 'version', 'image' or 'personification' of 'God' is the only one? It could be just as we posit, that all are just variations, personal forms, characterizations of the Universal One anyways

In this case 'Judaism' or 'Christianity' has no monopoly on 'God' or 'truth' for that matter.

 

[daqq]

I'm not sure where you're getting those different words.

Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. - 1 Corinthians 12:3 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians12:3&version=NKJV

legei ANATHEMA IESOUS is what is written.
λέγει ΑΝΑΘΕΜΑ ΙΕΣΟΥΣ
[says] [accursed (is)] [Jesus]

Spoiler

I received those "different words" from where they are written, just as I said, from codices, manuscripts, and fragments. What you have posted is someone's interpretation of the Nomina Sacra, (particularly the name Ι̅H, which is two letters, Yota-Eta with an overstrike, and was originally written without case endings, (case endings for grammatical purposes were added to the Nomina Sacra over a period of time, later, just as case endings were also added to most of the names in the texts, (except in the genealogies))).

Example from Codex Sinaiticus:

1 Corinthians 12:3 Sinaiticus
διο γνωρι ζω ϋμιν οτι ουδιϲ εν πνι θυ λαλω λεγει αναθεμα ιϲ και ουδιϲ δυναται ειπειν κϲ ιϲ ει μη εν πνι αγιω
http://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?book=38&chapter=12&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0

Note: the case endings have been added by the time of this text while the earlier letter, "Eta", (or Heta), from the earliest form, has been dropped from the name Ι̅H, and thus we read, "Ι̅Ϲ", (instead of Ι̅H).

 

[daqq]

I refer to the Absolute reality or Source of all that is, which is INFINITE in nature. This 'God' could assume many different names or forms. How would you even know if your 'version', 'image' or 'personification' of 'God' is the only one? It could be just as we posit, that all are just variations, personal forms, characterizations of the Universal One anyways

In this case 'Judaism' or 'Christianity' has no monopoly on 'God' or 'truth' for that matter.

There is only one Father. If one is "in Meshiah", (the Logos, the Son), then he or she has the same Father as does Meshiah. Thus, if one has the Son, then his or her Father is the same Father as the Father of the Son, and the Father is the only true Elohim, just as the Master says in John 17:3. So my heavenly Father is the only true Elohim and His Son is my only Elohim-Judge: for the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment unto the Son, (and the Logos is the Son). Howbeit the Logos of Elohim has a name written that no one without him knows: the name is abbreviated in all of the oldest texts, I say it is not "Jesus", neither is it "Yeshua", nor is it "Yahshua", nor "Yahushua", nor any other such guesses, but to each his or her own I suppose.

 

[patrick jane]

I refer to the Absolute reality or Source of all that is, which is INFINITE in nature. This 'God' could assume many different names or forms. How would you even know if your 'version', 'image' or 'personification' of 'God' is the only one? It could be just as we posit, that all are just variations, personal forms, characterizations of the Universal One anyways

In this case 'Judaism' or 'Christianity' has no monopoly on 'God' or 'truth' for that matter.

Au contraire



John 14:6 - Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Yeshua said to him, “I AM THE LIVING GOD, The Way and The Truth and The Life; no man comes to my Father but by me alone.”


John 1:14 KJV - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[daqq]

Au contraire



John 14:6 - Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Yeshua said to him, “I AM THE LIVING GOD, The Way and The Truth and The Life; no man comes to my Father but by me alone.”

According to Paul that statement, (which I have highlighted in red), cannot be true. The Master never exalts himself to "equal status" with the Father, the Almighty Elohim, "the Living Elohim", (and he certainly never claims himself to be the Almighty Elohim, or Living Elohim, as that statement falsely reports). It is nothing more than someone's interpretation of the phrase "I am", (as supposedly meaning the Living Elohim).