Theology Club: Bob Enyart's "The Plot" is he right?
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Jerry Shugart
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Because the Scriptures reveal that as a result of the middle wall being broken down between the Jewish believers and the Gentile believers both groups have been made members of the Body of Christ. Danoh denies that the Twelve were made members of the Body of Christ.
The nation of Israel was temporarily cast aside so why would anyone think that the believing remnant remained a part of that nation?
Jerry Shugart
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I thought that you agree with me that the Twelve were members of the Body of Christ.
Has Arnold told you otherwise?
Jerry Shugart
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Ready-freddy?
Ready-steady?
Let's go!
It's a summer paradise, crusin' with the boys and girls.
Surfin' day and night, everybody shootin' the curl.
Hang five, keep it alive, and lemme jump down low on the toes of the nose.
Hang ten, hot-doggin' again, let's go!
Surf's Up!
Hang ten, hot dog!
The remnant is prophesy and the BOC is not.
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It seems that Jerry thinks that their role and position were silently revoked (the twelve). The Bible says otherwise.
I would say that the remnant cannot be the "new man" because the remnant was already established before the new man was established.
Jerry Shugart
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All of the Jewish believers at the time when Paul wrote the following words were a part of that remnant and they were baptized into the Body of Christ:
"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit" (1 Cor.12:13).
When Paul speaks of the fact that the middle wall of partition being broken down he is certainly speaking of the remnant out of Israel being made members of the Body of Christ:
"For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby" (Eph.2:14-16).
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Jerry Shugart
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Otherwise?
Since when did the nation of Israel have a heavenly calling, as did those to whom the book of Hebrews was addressed:
"But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel" (Heb.12:22-24).
They had the same heavenly calling as all of the other members of the Body of Christ:
"Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Eph.2:5-6).
The Hebrew believers had a heavenly calling and they were taught to be expecting an imminent appearance of the Lord Jesus and they were taught that when He appears they will see Him as He is and they will be made like Him.
If you can't tell that all those things apply to those in the Body of Christ then your knowledge about what belongs to those in the Body is practically nomn-existent!
Jerry Shugart
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I have already shown you that the Jewish believers were made members of the Body so all the promises which they received are the same promises which all of the members of the Body received. All of the Jewish believers at the time when Paul wrote the following words were a part of that remnant and they were baptized into the Body of Christ:
"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit" (1 Cor.12:13).
When Paul speaks of the fact that the middle wall of partition being broken down he is certainly speaking of the remnant out of Israel being made members of the Body of Christ:
"For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby" (Eph.2:14-16).
Don't you have anything to say about these verses?
Jerry Shugart
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I told you that talking to yourself, especially in a foreign language, is one of the first signs of dementia. You're well on your way, surfer boy!
That is what you are after, after all - that all bow to Jerry's decades old pet errors (1) on Hebrews, (2) on the Hebrew Epistles, (3) on original sin, (4) on the Twelve In.
You've been hounding people into your desperately hoped for agreement with you on those four issues, on every forum out there, for decades, now.
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Rom. 5:6-8
Ephesians 2 is talking about formerly lost Gentiles and formerly lost Jews / Israelites, NOW IN Christ, this side of Unbelieving Israel's having been concluded Uncircumcision, Heathen, or under sin, with the Gentiles, at the end of Acts 7.
Formerly Lost Gentiles:
Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Formerly Lost Jews / Israelites - including Paul:
2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Both Now Saved Into One New Man Towards Said New Man's Eternal Purpose:
2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; ) 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
It is not talking about the Believing Remnant of Israel, who are part of a then temporarily on hold Earthly Purpose.
Acts 17:11, 12.
Formerly Lost Gentiles:
Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Formerly Lost Jews / Israelites - including Paul:
2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Both Now Saved Into One New Man Towards Said New Man's Eternal Purpose:
2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; ) 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
It is not talking about the Believing Remnant of Israel, who are part of a then temporarily on hold Earthly Purpose.
Acts 17:11, 12.
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