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    Can God lie?

    I don't have time to address all of the new ones in your list, but I will say that I don't think God lied or told Moses lie to Pharaoh in this example. If God hadn't hardened Pharaoh's heart first, and Pharaoh had granted the 3 days without caveats, then God would have found another way for the...
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    Can God lie?

    Did Rahab bear false witness? Did the midwives? I think they did. You might have a point if you finish the law statement: "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." That presumes that "bearing false witness" is not equal to "lying". Exodus 20:16 KJV - Thou shalt not bear false...
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    Can God lie?

    Conscience is likely the right answer, but Lamech knew it was forbidden because of the penalty levied on Cain. Genesis 4:23-24 KJV - And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man...
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    Can God lie?

    I thought that's what you were already doing. 😉 I understand you're saying lying isn't always evil, but I've tried to get you and @JudgeRightly to clarify when it isn't. I apologize if the questions went to one or the other of you instead of both, but I think you are both trying to read through...
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    Can God lie?

    What law was Cain under that said he shouldn't murder Abel? If no law has been given, did that make murder not a sin? No. Romans 5:13 KJV — (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Even if there is no law against a sin, that doesn't make it not a...
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    Can God lie?

    Why would it be necessary to only lie once to be okay? I thought lying wasn't evil? And if not evil, then lying constantly wouldn't even be wrong. You seem inconsistent.
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    Can God lie?

    Not to mention Jesus in Revelation 21:8 — But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. The question, then...
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    Can God lie?

    Then God is depriving the world of some good by not lying, whether He can or not. Titus 1:2 KJV — In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
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    Can God lie?

    (y)
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    Can God lie?

    So if you lie so good may come, then you're sinning and therefore lying, even in your examples, is not righteous.
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    Can God lie?

    Then please explain how we can know when lying is righteous and when it is evil. Because if it is evil some of the time and righteous other times, we need to know the difference.
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    Can God lie?

    And lying any other time is evil, right, besides one of these specially acceptable times?
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    Can God lie?

    Meaning that there is a great evil about to occur (the innocent will be condemned to death, for instance), and we are trying to prevent that evil?
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    Can God lie?

    Thanks, but what I'm trying to get from @Clete is a description of the circumstances involved, in order to determine how to make sure we don't go into the ditch of lying for whatever reason we dream up. Surely both you and he will admit that sometimes it IS a sin to lie to authority. What makes...
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    Can God lie?

    When is it not a sin to lie to someone in authority?
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    Can God lie?

    If God is the absolute authority, and the bible, as His absolutely authoritative word to us, says He doesn't lie, why is it we feel we know better? What did God want to accomplish in this case? It wasn't just to establish Saul's kingdom, but to establish a good and righteous kingdom, eventually...
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    Can God lie?

    In the cases we have in the bible where lying was rewarded by God, one could very easily say they were choosing the lesser of two evils, because they were lying to their authority figures. The only way such could be justified with your response is to say it is never a sin to lie to someone in...
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    A little comedy break....

    You can see the dish eying the spoon...
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    Can God lie?

    Epitome: a person or thing that is a perfect example of a particular quality or type. Absolute (adj.): * not qualified or diminished in any way; total * (of powers or rights) not subject to any limitation * (of a ruler) having unrestricted power. "he proclaimed himself absolute monarch" *...
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    Is death just another life?

    Both can be true without them meaning the same thing. Wrong. Look up the phrases. No, I didn't give you that much credit. But someone did invent it to explain something that they thought needed to be explained. That doesn't mean you are the one speaking truth. Or yourself, since "spiritually...
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