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But it doesn't show that God can lie, or ever does. Not does it show that He ever needs to lie.

I'm not sure what you mean by "assume the high ground".

Or He told the truth in a contingent fashion. And there were two parts: 1. Whether Saul would come 2. Whether the men of Keilah would give David up. Both are contingent on David being there at Keilah. If he's not, there's no one to give up to Saul. And, if David isn't in Keilah, there's no...

We didn't talk much about that instance, but as it is in the form of a story, there's some question in my mind whether it actually played out in heaven the way Micaiah described. It might hav been merely a vision God gave Micaiah to illustrate what was going on. Still, it says that a lying...

Such a question is equally valid for any god ever dreamed up. In other words, if you were in another religion, you couldn't question Zeus, or Baal, or Ishtar, or whomever in that religion. The one God that is beyond question is the one we are allowed to question...because He is able to...

My focus was more on the part talking about lying. Except that God is the epitome of absoluteness. He is all powerful, He is all knowing, He is all wise, He is all present. All of those are amoral characteristics. When you say He is all good, and then you say that He lies sometimes, those...

Young's Literal Translation says the same as NIV. It's part of the reason for starting the thread. If God cannot lie, then not lying is not a moral plus for God. If He can but does not, then He can claim moral high ground in that area. This verse says He will not lie, but not that He cannot...

Only if you've sworn to tell the whole truth. The way DAs and perhaps even defense attorneys seem to work, they actually force people to violate their vow to tell the whole truth sometimes. I'm not sure that's the same thing as deception in battle, as it could be argued God was not in battle...

When breaching this topic in another thread, I got two opposite answers: RD's response is pretty clear, it seems, and Clete's can be justified as God merely allowing a lying spirit to do what a lying spirit does. But Doug McBurney had a show where he thought God lied sometimes, and the Titus...

Impeachment? I don't think you impeach members of the House or Senate, since they are representing the different states.

I saw a sign at a swimming pool once: Danger--Toxic Chemicals No Diving I never quite understood why it was ok to swim in the water, but you couldn't dive.

Mr Magoo?

Do you boys need to take this outside?

Which filters are ok by you? Are there any except the bible itself? Ok. I don't see how. Open Theists believe God says No sometimes when No is the better answer. And Open Theists also "pray according to His will," like one famous Open Theist said: [Luk 22:42 KJV] 42 ...Father, if thou be...

You're misrepresenting what I wrote I believe Adam and Eve died "in", but not "on" the day they ate the fruit. And I showed how those two phrases don't have the same meaning, both in our time and in the time when Genesis chapter 2 was written. As it was when Gen 2 was translated into English. I...

All of which support @Right Divider's contention.

I agree many are head scratchers, but just focusing on Rev 1:4-5. Here it is again Revelation 1:4-5 KJV — John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne...

Edited in:So sin was alive in us thru inheritance from birth, right? And what was the result? That everybody born in Adam's line dies. Then the law came and Paul died. So what about Paul died? Wasn't he already dead in your view? Of already dead, then sin must have died in ordered to be...

But why is that irrational based on your interpretation of the keys? Is it because you really do think scripture is more authoritative than popes and councils? But then that restricts "keys" quite a bit. But what if the church changed its mind, as some parts seem to be doing on sodomy? Then it...

Oh, ok. It was in response to my question about whether dogs go to heaven, so perhaps you could understand my confusion. Tell me where pharmaceutical transgenderism is bound on earth and therefore in heaven. I'm exempting physical mutilation, because I think scripture is clear on that point. If...