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"The wages of sin is death" seems to fit well with "If you eat of that tree you will die." that makes it look like Paul is talking about the same kind of offense and the same kind of punishment as Moses (Gen 3). Jesus suffered the same thing, without deserving it. Everything fits. If any one of...

Is that what scripture says? God described which death He was talking about here: Genesis 3:19 KJV — In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. If you say "the wages of sin...

I agree, but the Adam example was not as good as Cain.

You can't disrespect a teacher while you're at home in bed. Unless you homeschool.

No, that was an implied conditional. As was Hezekiah's impending death. Do you still think Titus 1:2 means "who cannot lie in this one particular way, but can lie in innumerable other ways"?

Adam sinned against a different law, one that was no longer in force after they left the Garden.

Ok, so you're taking the position that because the midwives were rewarded by God, and God has no part in lying, then they must not have lied?

And? How does that apply to the question of what a lie is?

Here: Post in thread 'Can God lie?' https://theologyonline.com/threads/can-god-lie.59793/post-1887782? I don't see how that helps define a lie, or even a half truth. Nor did you explain what information the midwives withheld from pharaoh. They gave him information, but the information was...

Is a strawman? How so? Usually my position wouldn't be a strawman, only my caricature of your position would be that. You're welcome to offer a definition for discussion. "Half truth" was an attempt, but you didn't follow up.

What? You talk about my thread in a different thread, but don't tag me?

That's why everybody died? I don't see that in scripture.

What does that mean? What position? That the midwives lied? I thought I understood you to say that they didn't lie. I could go find it. For this thread I am.

Who's doing that? "What God, and Jesus, thought of lying" is not the same thing as God and Jesus. We're trying to discuss what exactly God, and Jesus, think about lying, and you are putting lying on a par with them, as if we are somehow worshiping lying.

We also know that not everybody sinned as badly as Adam did before the law, yet they still received the wages of sin, which is death. Romans 5:14 KJV - Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the...

Why?

If the midwives were telling the truth, then they weren't needed for being midwives. Why would the Israelites keep calling for the midwives if they never got there on time. At the least they would have fired those midwives and hired new ones. You haven't suggested any knowledge the midwives...

So the kind of lying I proposed, where God says He doesn't lie but He really does lie, is NOT the kind of lie you say He doesn't do according to Titus 1:2. Therefore, even the kind of lie banned in Titus 1:2 is ok, since Titus 1:2 is a lie, potentially, and no longer trustworthy for determining...

If a half truth is truth with some truth withheld to make people think some falsehood is correct (though without voicing the falsehood), then there might be a time when it is necessary, but I say that it's no different from the lie's sinfulness for the same reasons. If a lie is sometimes not...

I still think @JudgeRightly's examples would sometimes necessitate lying to save people's lives.