Unsurprisingly, as a group these people will say anything, apparently. IMJ has literally made up a few positions for me in order to vilify them and me...it's remarkable to watch. But I suppose if you can't control the facts you're left trying to dictate emotion.
I have to follow the rules and I am trying very hard to be careful, more careful. I'm pleased to hear that you are using the "ignore" function. I like you Granite and whether you see it or not we are on the same page very often.
I'm still not sure why that was a discussion stopper, given you'd just declared a thing true on both counts. I met the first requesting proof. By the second I just answered in kind...maybe arguing religion is too close to home for you. :idunno:
It was sort of a rhetorical question. I don't know why you walked away from the faith but I'm hoping you return to Yeshua. I really wouldn't give a plug nickel for any of the churches out there but Yeshua isn't responsible for their behavior, they are.