The Joys of Catholicism
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The phrase "pray to" appears three times in scripture:
Matt 6:6 (AKJV/PCE)
(6:6) But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Matt 26:53 (AKJV/PCE)
(26:53) Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
2Cor 13:7 (AKJV/PCE)
(13:7) Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.
Matt 6:6 (AKJV/PCE)
(6:6) But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Matt 26:53 (AKJV/PCE)
(26:53) Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
2Cor 13:7 (AKJV/PCE)
(13:7) Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.
It means he's really mad.
It also means that this father is acting out of anger, and not love.
OK. But the figure of speech saying the words still in his mouth must be taken literally?
The figure of speech "the words are still in one's mouth" means that the person is still uttering the words. It doesn't mean that they've finished saying what they're saying. It means they're still in the process of speaking!
I'm not sure why you're having such a problem with this.
OK. In other words you do not see it as a figure of speech.
What part of "The figure of speech "the words are still in one's mouth" means that the person is still uttering the words" makes you think that I do not see it as a figure of speech?
For the reason you see my example as meaning something other than the words used by the father. In this example you insist that the words mean exactly the same thing as when they were uttered.
When you say that "I'm mad enough to shoot you," but it's a figure of speech, then OF COURSE it doesn't actually mean that you're going to shoot someone.
It just means you're mad enough to do it!
It means EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS!
I did so in BOTH.
"I'm mad enough to shoot you" does not mean "I'm going to shoot you." It just means one is mad enough to do so.
How is that so hard for you to understand, Gary?
LOL. You think you need to explain my example of a figure of speech to me?
As to the other figure of speech. well. I don't really care. You think what you want. If you;re trying to anger me, it isn't going to work.
Apparently I do, because you CLEARLY do not understand how figures of speech work.
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As Christians reading the beautiful scriptures, we understand that Jesus ascended to heaven after he resurrected from the dead
BECAUSE he came down from heaven, this is where he originated from
As Christians reading the beautiful scriptures, we understand that Jesus ascended to heaven after he resurrected from the dead
BECAUSE he came down from heaven, this is where he originated from
he was from - " heaven "
he came out of God and returns back into God -
but Mary was not from heaven, nor is Mary existing as - ONLY BEGOTTON DAUGHTER OF GOD
but Mary was not from heaven, nor is Mary existing as - ONLY BEGOTTON DAUGHTER OF GOD
Mary was not BORN or CONCEIVED from God
but Jesus Christ alone was conceived by the Spirit Of The Holy - Mary was not Conceived from God but Jesus alone is - Only Born / Begotten of the Father.
As Christians we believe that these Catholic assumptions and teachings about Mary Of Rome seem to wholly contradict the scriptures leaving humanity to trust in the assumptions of men in Rome to believe something that is completely against the scriptures themselves.
but Jesus Christ alone was conceived by the Spirit Of The Holy - Mary was not Conceived from God but Jesus alone is - Only Born / Begotten of the Father.
As Christians we believe that these Catholic assumptions and teachings about Mary Of Rome seem to wholly contradict the scriptures leaving humanity to trust in the assumptions of men in Rome to believe something that is completely against the scriptures themselves.
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I would never attempt to make conversations about Roman Catholicism a personal matter but my comments are directed to the Roman Catholic teaching and Catholic leadership and Catholicism as a whole and not directed to any individual Roman Catholic.
My question is, why do the Popes glorify themselves to speak with such blatant and truly perverse dishonesty, how can honest Roman Catholics so easily accept their deceptiveness and misleading statements about important matters and so easily brush aside truth, reality and honesty.
Let’s take a look at what is happening within the MENTALITY of the Roman Catholic and how their Popes have been glorified and uplifted by Roman Catholics themselves for leading millions of people astray into the depths of untruth and for centuries Catholics have perverted the wonderful message very Lord Jesus himself and so horribly and wickedly perverted the beautiful mother Mary.
Mary our Co-Redemptrix - was taught directly by the Vatican for over 300 years
From the 16th century to the 20th century the Catholic magesterium began to propagate and teach that Mary provided Co - Redemption and Re - Mediation of all graces. In 1913 the Holy Office approved a prayer invoking Mary as our Co-Redemptrix . Pius the XI also publicly referred to Mary's Co-Redemptrix on three separate occasions
The term “ Mary the Co - Redemptress “ was used by Vatican Primate Leo XIII in 1894.
here - Primate Leo XIII insisted that "For in the Rosary all the part that Mary took as our Co - Redemptress comes to us..."
again - 1908 Co - Redemptrix was used three times by Roman Congregations under by Vatican Primate Pius X:
under the Magisterium, Pius X demanded that “ Mary was - The Co - Redemptress “ three times by the Holy See in the initiatives of three Congregations of the Curia, in the publication of their official acts, Acta Sanctae Sedis (later to become Acta Apostolicae Sedis)."
But then - suddenly - Vatican Primate Benedict XVI declared that this Marian title caused confusion and did not sufficiently reflect scripture. Pope John Paul II - in his 1994 Apostolic letter, Tertio Milennio Adveniente, John Paul said, "Christ, the Redeemer of the world, is the one Mediator between God and men, and there is no other name under heaven by which we can be saved - Acts 4:12
When asked in an interview in 2000 whether the Catholic Church would go along with the desire to solemnly define Mary as Co - Redemptress, then-Cardinal Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI) responded that, "...the formula “Co-redemptrix” departs to too great an extent from THE LANGUAGE OF SCRIPTURE. Pope Ratzinger literally said - “ the formula “Co-redemptrix” departs to too great an extent from the language of scripture and that the formula Co - Redemptress - gives rise to misunderstandings. ..
Misunderstandings ?
In December 2019, at a Mass in St. Peter's Basilica celebrating the feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe, Pope Francis said that he - discouraged proposals for a new dogmatic title - Co - Redemptress
Pope Francis said "“When they come to us with the story of declaring her this or making that dogma, - let’s not get lost in foolishness. Francis - today - calls the idea of declaring Mary Co - Redemptress ‘ as = FOOLISHNESS’ -
on Dec, 12, 2019 the Pope Francis called the idea of declaring Mary as Co - Redemptress ‘foolishness’ saying how Mary “ NEVER introduced herself as Co - Redemptress
https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2019/12/pope-calls-idea-of-declaring-mary-co-redemptrix-foolishness/ &
angelusnews.com
The biggest deceptive in all of this is the fact the very head and spokesman for the Roman Catholic Faith Pope Ratzinger literally said - “ the formula “Co - redemptrix” departs to too great an extent from the language of scripture.
Why does the Pope insinuate and dishonestly imply that scripture / the Bible is a part of the Roman Catholic teachings about the Mother Mary that Rome presents ? ? to say that defining Mary as “ Co-redemptrix “ departs to too great an extent from the language of scripture, when most of everything that Catholicism teaches about Mary is a departure from and contradiction of scriptures.
The Vatican attempts to propagate the untruth that somehow their teachings about Mary must be aligned and represented by scripture but this is nothing but dishonesty filled with centuries of Roman Catholic contradiction among themselves that they blemish and tarnish and pervert the very honor and horribly misrepresent mother Mary with blasphemy and disrespect.
What about Mary as Co - Mediator ?
This does not depart from THE LANGUAGE OF SCRIPTURE….. ? ?
Catholics attempt to transfer this message over onto Mary - to demand that Mary is a Co Matrix and Co Redeemer and CO Mediator and Heavenly Queen - and an equal part, in similarity as the same - as the fruit….. Mary SPIRITUALLY receives the transferred merits and attributes, powers and quality’ s and transmutations - of the blessed fruit within her womb - Yahashua.
1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Yahoshua was sinless -
He has no Savior – Mary is excited, rejoicing and thankful for Her savior -- and heads off to the UPPER ROOM on the day of Pentecost to join those in the upper room who are receiving the Gift Of The Spirit Of The Holy The Bible does not unify with the Magisterium and the developing traditions of The Roman Catholic Faith.
It is just like the Pope kissing the Quran and Declaring that the Bible and the Quran are the same and about the same god. –
yet the Scriptures say that the Quran is a lie and that the god of Islam is a lie as well.
this dishonesty and untruthfulness can only be repaired with prayer for the Roman Catholics, i pray that they can be honest and stop disrespecting and dishonoring Mary and her Son and his holy word.
My question is, why do the Popes glorify themselves to speak with such blatant and truly perverse dishonesty, how can honest Roman Catholics so easily accept their deceptiveness and misleading statements about important matters and so easily brush aside truth, reality and honesty.
Let’s take a look at what is happening within the MENTALITY of the Roman Catholic and how their Popes have been glorified and uplifted by Roman Catholics themselves for leading millions of people astray into the depths of untruth and for centuries Catholics have perverted the wonderful message very Lord Jesus himself and so horribly and wickedly perverted the beautiful mother Mary.
Mary our Co-Redemptrix - was taught directly by the Vatican for over 300 years
From the 16th century to the 20th century the Catholic magesterium began to propagate and teach that Mary provided Co - Redemption and Re - Mediation of all graces. In 1913 the Holy Office approved a prayer invoking Mary as our Co-Redemptrix . Pius the XI also publicly referred to Mary's Co-Redemptrix on three separate occasions
The term “ Mary the Co - Redemptress “ was used by Vatican Primate Leo XIII in 1894.
here - Primate Leo XIII insisted that "For in the Rosary all the part that Mary took as our Co - Redemptress comes to us..."
again - 1908 Co - Redemptrix was used three times by Roman Congregations under by Vatican Primate Pius X:
under the Magisterium, Pius X demanded that “ Mary was - The Co - Redemptress “ three times by the Holy See in the initiatives of three Congregations of the Curia, in the publication of their official acts, Acta Sanctae Sedis (later to become Acta Apostolicae Sedis)."
But then - suddenly - Vatican Primate Benedict XVI declared that this Marian title caused confusion and did not sufficiently reflect scripture. Pope John Paul II - in his 1994 Apostolic letter, Tertio Milennio Adveniente, John Paul said, "Christ, the Redeemer of the world, is the one Mediator between God and men, and there is no other name under heaven by which we can be saved - Acts 4:12
When asked in an interview in 2000 whether the Catholic Church would go along with the desire to solemnly define Mary as Co - Redemptress, then-Cardinal Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI) responded that, "...the formula “Co-redemptrix” departs to too great an extent from THE LANGUAGE OF SCRIPTURE. Pope Ratzinger literally said - “ the formula “Co-redemptrix” departs to too great an extent from the language of scripture and that the formula Co - Redemptress - gives rise to misunderstandings. ..
Misunderstandings ?
In December 2019, at a Mass in St. Peter's Basilica celebrating the feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe, Pope Francis said that he - discouraged proposals for a new dogmatic title - Co - Redemptress
Pope Francis said "“When they come to us with the story of declaring her this or making that dogma, - let’s not get lost in foolishness. Francis - today - calls the idea of declaring Mary Co - Redemptress ‘ as = FOOLISHNESS’ -
on Dec, 12, 2019 the Pope Francis called the idea of declaring Mary as Co - Redemptress ‘foolishness’ saying how Mary “ NEVER introduced herself as Co - Redemptress
https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2019/12/pope-calls-idea-of-declaring-mary-co-redemptrix-foolishness/ &
Once again, Pope Francis says Mary is not the ‘co-redemptrix’
The title of Mary as “co-redemptrix” dates to the Middle Ages, and the idea of declaring it as a church dogma was discussed, though not adopted, at Vatican II.
angelusnews.com
The biggest deceptive in all of this is the fact the very head and spokesman for the Roman Catholic Faith Pope Ratzinger literally said - “ the formula “Co - redemptrix” departs to too great an extent from the language of scripture.
Why does the Pope insinuate and dishonestly imply that scripture / the Bible is a part of the Roman Catholic teachings about the Mother Mary that Rome presents ? ? to say that defining Mary as “ Co-redemptrix “ departs to too great an extent from the language of scripture, when most of everything that Catholicism teaches about Mary is a departure from and contradiction of scriptures.
The Vatican attempts to propagate the untruth that somehow their teachings about Mary must be aligned and represented by scripture but this is nothing but dishonesty filled with centuries of Roman Catholic contradiction among themselves that they blemish and tarnish and pervert the very honor and horribly misrepresent mother Mary with blasphemy and disrespect.
What about Mary as Co - Mediator ?
This does not depart from THE LANGUAGE OF SCRIPTURE….. ? ?
Catholics attempt to transfer this message over onto Mary - to demand that Mary is a Co Matrix and Co Redeemer and CO Mediator and Heavenly Queen - and an equal part, in similarity as the same - as the fruit….. Mary SPIRITUALLY receives the transferred merits and attributes, powers and quality’ s and transmutations - of the blessed fruit within her womb - Yahashua.
1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Yahoshua was sinless -
He has no Savior – Mary is excited, rejoicing and thankful for Her savior -- and heads off to the UPPER ROOM on the day of Pentecost to join those in the upper room who are receiving the Gift Of The Spirit Of The Holy The Bible does not unify with the Magisterium and the developing traditions of The Roman Catholic Faith.
It is just like the Pope kissing the Quran and Declaring that the Bible and the Quran are the same and about the same god. –
yet the Scriptures say that the Quran is a lie and that the god of Islam is a lie as well.
this dishonesty and untruthfulness can only be repaired with prayer for the Roman Catholics, i pray that they can be honest and stop disrespecting and dishonoring Mary and her Son and his holy word.
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The "woman" in Revelation 12 is NOT Mary.
The "woman" in Revelation 12 is the remnant of Israel.
RC's are so indoctrinated in nonsense and ignorant of Bible truth.
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If Catholics do not engage in idolatry......why is there a statue of Joseph on the right and Mary on the left?
You, unfortunity have been taught by the Roman Catholic Church that the images and icons used in the church are not actually “worshiped” but are simply “visual aids” to worship.
In the Catholic catechism and in most official Catholic documents, the first and second commandments are combined and then summarized with “I am the Lord your God. You shall not have other gods beside Me.” Suspiciously absent is what comprises the second commandment in the Protestant numbering of the Ten Commandments: “You shall not make any graven images.”
I do not post this to argue your faith, but to only give you an opportunity to defend what you say you do not do.
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Not to worship them.
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Not wanting to clutter up another thread:
(As a Catholic (convert), as time goes on, I find Protestantism obsessed with thinking of Our Lady as defiled somehow, even though she was the ... I don't mean to be crass here, but ... the vehicle in which Our Lord was delivered onto the Earth from Heaven. Of course she was pure and undefiled ---- of course she was. That shouldn't be controversial. And that's why this strikes me as obsession.)
I haven't done it yet but I think searching for "play stupid games win stupid prizes" might be some funny results.
(As a Catholic (convert), as time goes on, I find Protestantism obsessed with thinking of Our Lady as defiled somehow, even though she was the ... I don't mean to be crass here, but ... the vehicle in which Our Lord was delivered onto the Earth from Heaven. Of course she was pure and undefiled ---- of course she was. That shouldn't be controversial. And that's why this strikes me as obsession.)
(Trick question ---- there isn't one.)
So "all" there includes Jesus, right? Because Jesus was a man, right? And "all" must mean, "all men," if it means anything, right? I mean it cannot mean "not all men," right? It can't mean that. It means "all men," and Jesus is a man. Right?
I'll start you on your reply: "Well no, you see ... " Rolleyes
I'll start you on your reply: "Well no, you see ... " Rolleyes
I have Mary's own words, translated into English, of course.
And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
Bible Gateway passage: Luke 1:47 - New King James Version
And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.www.biblegateway.com
People play stupid games and win stupid prizes. Even the Hebrew people, Mary's own kin, played stupid games and won stupid prizes. Jesus needed to save Mary from the stupid prizes that her own people won for playing stupid games. It didn't require that she play stupid games, in order that she needed to be saved from stupid prizes.
I haven't done it yet but I think searching for "play stupid games win stupid prizes" might be some funny results.