Faith to believe on Christ !

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beloved57 said:
You probably believe that faith in Christ is the product of the flesh, the natural man correct ? Simple Yes or No please.
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You don't have a Giver without having a receiver.
Both God and man are necessary for anyone to have faith in the results of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
If God hadn't put everything in place for us, we would never have had faith in any of it.
I thank God that I believed it all from a very young age.

You make it look like it is God's fault that so many don't believe.
I will never have faith in that POV.
 
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You don't have a Giver without having a receiver.
Both God and man are necessary for anyone to have faith in the results of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
If God hadn't put everything in place for us, we would never have had faith in any of it.
I thank God that I believed it all from a very young age.

You make it look like it is God's fault that so many don't believe.
I will never have faith in that POV.
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You probably believe that faith in Christ is the product of the flesh, the natural man correct ? Simple Yes or No please.
 
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beloved57 said:
You probably believe that faith in Christ is the product of the flesh, the natural man correct ? Simple Yes or No please.
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Faith isn't the "product" of the flesh.
It is the result of outer stimulation on the minds of those who seek after God.

Is faith in "evolution" a product of the flesh?
Or is it a trust in what has been taught?
Like faith in God is?
 
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Faith isn't the "product" of the flesh.
It is the result of outer stimulation on the minds of those who seek after God.
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Well guess what ? Men by nature doesnt seek after God Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
 
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beloved57 said:
Well guess what ? Men by nature doesnt seek after God Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
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Thankfully, God made the first move, so that man CAN seek after God.
 
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beloved57 said:
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Well guess what ? Men by nature doesnt seek after God Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
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God draws all sinners to Christ, but only those who respond to that drawing will be saved.

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

2 Chronicles 15:4
But when they in their trouble did turn unto the Lord God of Israel, and sought him, he was found of them.
 
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beloved57 said:
The first move is giving a new birth, a new nature. Other than that man naturally doesnt seek God.
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Wrong. God enlightens all men and those who then reject the light are condemned without excuse.

John 1:9
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

1 Timothy 2
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 
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beloved57 said:
The first move is giving a new birth, a new nature.
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WRONG.

The first move was God the Son going to the Cross.

Other than that man naturally doesnt seek God.
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God draws all men to himself via Christ's being lifted up on the cross. Therefore, man CAN seek God, if he hears the gospel.
 
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You want me to read your opinions instead of the Bible? You back up your opinions with scriptures you craftily interpret to harmonize with your doctrines but you fail to do anything about scriptures that copntradict your doctrines.
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My so called opinion is grounded with scripture. Did i use scripture in those posts ?
 
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beloved57 said:
My so called opinion is grounded with scripture. Did i use scripture in those posts ?
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You used your interpreted scriptures to support your misinterpreted doctrine but you did not even try to explain other scriptures that contradict your doctrinal misinterpretations.
 
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marke said:
You used your interpreted scriptures to support your misinterpreted doctrine but you did not even try to explain other scriptures that contradict your doctrinal misinterpretations.
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Nevertheless I used scripture, correct ?
 
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