Faith to believe on Christ !

Hoping

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Show were lazarus made a choice to be raised from the dead by Christ before he died please.
I have no idea why you would ask such a question, but here goes...
Laz' made his choice during his life, by obedience to God, and loving his neighbor as himself.
The same choices we make today...if we want to be raised from the dead and be eternally with the Lord.
 

Hoping

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No they were spiritual men when they believed, if they would have been natural men only, they could not have believed. Havent you ever read that the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, here look 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
While this scripture is surely true, receiving the things OF the Spirit of God is totally different than JUST receiving God.
Paul was saying that the FURTHER teachings, (things of the Spirit of God), of God's apostles, teachers, preachers, will not be accepted by those who are not converted YET.
Those FURTHER things are alluded to in the preceding 10 verses.
 

beloved57

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While this scripture is surely true, receiving the things OF the Spirit of God is totally different than JUST receiving God.
Paul was saying that the FURTHER teachings, (things of the Spirit of God), of God's apostles, teachers, preachers, will not be accepted by those who are not converted YET.
Those FURTHER things are alluded to in the preceding 10 verses.
No its no difference. The natural man doesnt seek after God Rom 3:11 same thing. The natural man isnt subject to God and neither can be Rom 8:7

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
 

Hoping

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No its no difference. The natural man doesnt seek after God Rom 3:11 same thing. The natural man isnt subject to God and neither can be Rom 8:7

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
It is written..."That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Rom 8:4)
God has given us the ability to choose who we will serve.
The "flesh" or the Spirit.
And I thank Him for that choice.
 

beloved57

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It is written..."That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Rom 8:4)
God has given us the ability to choose who we will serve.
The "flesh" or the Spirit.
And I thank Him for that choice.
The unregenerate walk after the flesh, so they cant have Faith in Christ. Havent you read Rom 8:8
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Yet Faith pleases God Heb 11:6

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Notice scripture says cannot please God, meaning lacks the ability.
 

Hoping

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The unregenerate walk after the flesh, so they cant have Faith in Christ. Havent you read Rom 8:8
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Yet Faith pleases God Heb 11:6

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Notice scripture says cannot please God, meaning lacks the ability.
Thank God we can gain faith.
Then we can "walk after the Spirit".
Faith is a result of hearing, and the hearing do what is necessary to move on unto salvation.
Faith moves mountains.
 

beloved57

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Thank God we can gain faith.
Then we can "walk after the Spirit".
Faith is a result of hearing, and the hearing do what is necessary to move on unto salvation.
Faith moves mountains.
A person receives Faith after being born again by the Spirit, for Faith is the fruit of the Spirit.
 

Hoping

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A person receives Faith after being born again by the Spirit, for Faith is the fruit of the Spirit.
What is the point of evangelism then?
Or apostles going to far away lands to teach the gospel?
If faith comes only after being born again, which scriptures do you use to illustrate how you read a man is born again?
 

1Mind1Spirit

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What is the point of evangelism then?
Or apostles going to far away lands to teach the gospel?
Pleasing God.
KJV 1 Corinthians Chapter 1 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

If faith comes only after being born again, which scriptures do you use to illustrate how you read a man is born again?

Q. Why is preaching foolishness?
A. Because people can't hear until God gives them the ears to hear.
 

Hoping

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Pleasing God.
KJV 1 Corinthians Chapter 1 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Amen.
But what would be the point of preaching if men received faith without the preaching?
Q. Why is preaching foolishness?
A. Because people can't hear until God gives them the ears to hear.
Amen to that.
I thank God men told me things I could have faith in.
 

beloved57

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What is the point of evangelism then?
Or apostles going to far away lands to teach the gospel?
If faith comes only after being born again, which scriptures do you use to illustrate how you read a man is born again?
The Gospel is preached so that the regenerated ones, the saved ones, will hear it[spiritually] and believe.
 

beloved57

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I have no idea why you would ask such a question, but here goes...
Laz' made his choice during his life, by obedience to God, and loving his neighbor as himself.
The same choices we make today...if we want to be raised from the dead and be eternally with the Lord.
I believe you are deceived. There is no evidence that Lazarus made a choice to be raised from the dead by Jesus, before he died.
 

Hoping

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The Gospel is preached so that the regenerated ones, the saved ones, will hear it[spiritually] and believe.
If they are already "regenerated/saved", what is the point?
They don't need the message of the risen Savior.
It also makes Jesus a liar, for He said..."He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:16)
Your POV assigns regeneration and salvation to unbelievers.
Jesus isn't a liar.
 
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beloved57

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The only True Faith that is linked to Salvation is not found within the natural man, but as Peter writes 2 Pet 1:1

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Thats right it comes from the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.
 
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