Far Better To Build Immune System than Count on Vaccines

marke

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I don't want to watch the video because then the stupid YouTube algorithm will be trying to show me similar videos for months. Can you bottom line the video for me?

Intuitively (i.e. having not watched the video), I'd say that people should not comply with Biden's mandate. The mandate is, by itself, a really good reason to NOT get the vaccine. As I've said throughout, people who don't want to get the vaccines for rational reasons are fine by me. It's the fear mongering, conspiracy theories and lies that piss me off.

I would also say that anyone who is surprised by this mandate isn't paying attention to what's going on around them and that if there weren't people spreading misinformation about the so called dangers of these vaccines, this mandate may not have ever happened. Living in fear always plays right into the hands of the totalitarians among us.

Clete
Maybe you don't know anyone personally who has gotten seriously ill from the covid shot, but why do you work so hard to cover up the hundreds or thousands of real cases of serious illnesses and even deaths that have been caused by the covid shot?
 

marke

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Not so. Not even close to being the case in anything remotely resembling reality.


So because because a broken clock is right twice a day, you can trust the broken clock! Is that really what you think?


I've never suggested that anyone should trust the government and so what the left wants neither refutes my position nor is it even relevant to the issue of whether these vaccines are safe and effective.


Of course it does. Biden is a want-to-be tyrant. Elections have consequences.

If you want to refuse to get the vaccine as an act of civil disobedience then have at it. Just be prepared to deal with the consequences because there will be consequences. Ever thought that you suffering those consequences is the left's real agenda?

Clete
The consequences of disagreeing with vengeful leftist democrats have become quite severe due to political hatred of the opposition as our nation descends to the precipice of hell through ungodliness and wickedness promoted and protected by leftist politicians, leftist news organizations, and others.
 

Clete

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Thousands of fully vaccinated Americans are in hospitals right now with covid. Don't deny the truth.
Who here has denied that obvious truth?! You are such a liar!

Far more people without the vaccine are in hospitals right now with COVID. FAR more!

People who have recieved the vaccine are far less likely to end up in the hospital or to even get sick much less die.
 

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2 Peter 3:3-5​

King James Version​

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
A verse that has been quote, completely out of its proper context, for centuries and millennia before there was ever anything like the United States of America.

And if there is anyone who is willfully ignorant here it is you. Don't forget, Marke, that this whole thread and the two or three others that you created on the same subject are all still right here for the whole world to read.
 

Clete

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Our modern military is very different from the one I served in before the Vietnam War ended. Our military leaders have become promoters of perversions and insanity in order to please their corrupt civilian bosses.

And they're the ones you're counting on to take your side in a revolution. On what planet does that make any sense?
 

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If you knew anything about how modern covid vaccines have been made you would know that there is hardly a single one that did not use fetal tissues in their development.

Liar.

I know that MRNA vaccines have been being worked on since the 90s and that the fetal tissue rumor was started against the J&J vaccine that has nothing to do with MRNA.
 

Clete

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Maybe you don't know anyone personally who has gotten seriously ill from the covid shot, but why do you work so hard to cover up the hundreds or thousands of real cases of serious illnesses and even deaths that have been caused by the covid shot?
Bob Enyart, the man who has had the single most important impact in my life, just died of COVID you slobber mouthed idiot!

How is it that you are allowed to persist in these lies! I have covered up nothing! You are actively trying to get people killed by neadlessly scaring people off of a vaccine that has undeniably saved perhaps hundreds of millions.
 

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The consequences of disagreeing with vengeful leftist democrats have become quite severe due to political hatred of the opposition as our nation descends to the precipice of hell through ungodliness and wickedness promoted and protected by leftist politicians, leftist news organizations, and others.
Yet another truism that has been preached for almost as long as the country has existed.
 

marke

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Who here has denied that obvious truth?! You are such a liar!

Far more people without the vaccine are in hospitals right now with COVID. FAR more!

People who have recieved the vaccine are far less likely to end up in the hospital or to even get sick much less die.
How does your claim that there are far more unvaccinated people in hospitals supposedly prove there are not thousands of vaccinated people with covid in American hospitals?
Who here has denied that obvious truth?! You are such a liar!

Far more people without the vaccine are in hospitals right now with COVID. FAR more!

People who have recieved the vaccine are far less likely to end up in the hospital or to even get sick much less die.


Don't keep falsely accusing me of lying.
 

marke

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A verse that has been quote, completely out of its proper context, for centuries and millennia before there was ever anything like the United States of America.

And if there is anyone who is willfully ignorant here it is you. Don't forget, Marke, that this whole thread and the two or three others that you created on the same subject are all still right here for the whole world to read.
How can this be misunderstood, with or without questions about context?

2 Peter 3:3-5

King James Version

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
 

marke

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And they're the ones you're counting on to take your side in a revolution. On what planet does that make any sense?
I am not planning a revolution. I plan to fight the Marxists on the web and trust God to put down all rebellion against God in His own time and manner.
 

marke

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Liar.

I know that MRNA vaccines have been being worked on since the 90s and that the fetal tissue rumor was started against the J&J vaccine that has nothing to do with MRNA.
Name one covid vaccine that was developed without using fetal tissues.
 

marke

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Bob Enyart, the man who has had the single most important impact in my life, just died of COVID you slobber mouthed idiot!

How is it that you are allowed to persist in these lies! I have covered up nothing! You are actively trying to get people killed by neadlessly scaring people off of a vaccine that has undeniably saved perhaps hundreds of millions.
I have lost some friends to covid as well, and many, many more friends and family members have already recovered from covid. Vaccinated Americans have gotten covid and died. What can we conclude from that, that covid vaccines are effective against the covid virus? Maybe somewhat, but certainly not completely.
 

marke

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Yet another truism that has been preached for almost as long as the country has existed.
Roger Stone was arrested in the middle of the night at the point of dozens of guns because he was falsely accused of lying to Congress. Dr. Fauci was not arrested even though he clearly lied to Congress. The left excuses crimes committed by leftists while inventing false allegations of conservative crimes.
 

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Not so. Not even close to being the case in anything remotely resembling reality.
That you claim there are no effective treatments is in no way resembling reality.

Every time the family of drugs like Ivermectin, HCQ, and other zinc ionophores are used in controlled environments on humans the improvement is dramatic. Way2Go has been posting the evidence consistently. You aren't paying attention to any of the evidence.

So after you look at the evidence, how many lives would have been saved in the US if we had treated patients the way Dr. Varon treated them? Now Dr. Varon's success rate was more than double the national average, but let's just say we could only achieve 1/2 the COVID deaths because of treatments... can you calculate what the excess death numbers would have been for 2020? I'll break it down for you if you can't.
So because because a broken clock is right twice a day, you can trust the broken clock! Is that really what you think?
Hold on there Hoss. If you know the clock is broken, then there is no need to look at it at all.

I smell a bad argument on your part. Can you tell me what I'm thinking it is? I'll spell it out for you if you are the type to appreciate when he's wrong.

The bottom line is that the conspiracy theorists were right. You should be asking "how were they right?" and you'll get to the truth, because there was sound reasoning used to evaluate the conspiracy. And please don't bring up Marke. Why do you keep talking with Marke?

I've never suggested that anyone should trust the government and so what the left wants neither refutes my position nor is it even relevant to the issue of whether these vaccines are safe and effective.
They wouldn't suppress information on long term heart issues or fertility issues like they've suppressed treatments would they? You trust the government would tell the truth about that?

The vaccines were not only not the way out of this, but Israel proves the vaccines don't help at best and at worst they are worse than Sweden because of them. And don't claim that Israel has a much better death rate than the original COVID season, because their death rate is actually worse than a normal infectious disease second wave. Every season following a particularly bad flu season is also bad, but not as bad as the previous season.

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Of course it does. Biden is a want-to-be tyrant. Elections have consequences.

If you want to refuse to get the vaccine as an act of civil disobedience then have at it. Just be prepared to deal with the consequences because there will be consequences. Ever thought that you suffering those consequences is the left's real agenda?

Clete
This is a good question. Since the evidence says the consequences for my demographic from COVID is less than the yearly flu on average, I'm OK with that consequence.

As far as political consequences are concerned, I'm sure the left wants me to be an outcast for not getting the jab. I might get the jab just to avoid the pressure because continuing to raise my kids to adulthood is more important. I'd risk the jab to avoid economic ruin or get poor health or poor fertility to continue to raise my kids. Threatening to take my children might be a part of the pressure that changes my mind about the jab.

So I can appreciate that you have faith in the long term safety of the vaccine. The medical engineers have a pretty good track record. But my reason for not getting the jab is logical medically, and then civil disobedience only follows from and after that.
 

Clete

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How does your claim that there are far more unvaccinated people in hospitals supposedly prove there are not thousands of vaccinated people with covid in American hospitals?
Seriously? Are you really incapable of thinking this through for yourself?

First of all, I never made that claim but I don't care about that because you seem basically incapable of having a rational discussion. I have no doubt that your twisted, willful ignorant mind managed somehow to translate what I said.

However....

Let's say there are 1000 people in the hospital because of COVID today but there would be 50,000 in the hospital if not for the vaccine then the vaccine has reduced the number of people in the hospital because of COVID by a factor of 50 regardless of how many people who are currently in the hospital have gotten the shot.

Now, those aren't the real numbers, obviously, (i.e. the real numbers are almost certainly far and away better than that!) but do you understand the point?

The point is that you refuse to look at the whole picture. You focus on things that cast the issue in the darkest possible light and then refuse to be moved by anything that even sounds positive. If there were no vaccine and we had 20% of our population in the hospital or worse, you'd be begging for a vaccine that was even half as effective as the ones we have right now! Imagine that! A vaccine half as effective would have many many thousands of vaccinated people in the hospital but you'd still be begging for it because if we didn't already have one you couldn't twist and conflate the numbers the way you're doing now. Any baboon could tell that even a marginally effective vaccine is better than none at all and forget about one that is over 90% effective like the ones that actually exist. That would be a pipe dream no one would consider possible.

Don't keep falsely accusing me of lying.
You say things you now are false or should know are false and, after being corrected, you ignore the correction and repeat the same falsehoods.

That's a liar in my book and you can count on me continuing to call you one unless and until you repent. Get used to it.
 

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How can this be misunderstood, with or without questions about context?

2 Peter 3:3-5

King James Version

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
You seem to be doing a bang up job!

Who was Peter's audience?

Hint: Not you!
 
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