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    The word "whosoever" is used over 180 times in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. In Strong's Concordance it is word #G3956. In the Greek it means all, any, every. In the English dictionary it means, any person whatever; who; whoever. Jesus said,

    "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16.

    In the Canons of Dort, First Head, Article #10. It says, "He (God) was pleased out of the common mass of sinners to adopt SOME CERTAIN PERSONS as a peculiar people to himself".

    This is in direct conflict with what Jesus is saying. Are we going to believe Jesus or are we going to believe the Calvinist Canons of Dort? Whosoever means all, anyone, everyone that believes in Jesus shall be saved. Paul wrote,

    "WHOSOEVER that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

    Nothing about "Some certain persons". Salvation has been provided for everyone. This is what the Bible teaches.

    "That he by the grace of God might taste death for EVERYONE" Hebrews 2:9.

    Jesus has tasted death for everyone so that, "WHOSOEVER that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13. Calvinism is anti-grace. They want us to believe that if you are not one of the "Some Certain Persons" you are lost. We will never know how many people that think that they are lost because they were not one of the chosen ones. When all they had to do was call on Christ to save them.

    Not only is Calvinism anti-grace, it is also anti-Gospel, which means that it is anti-Christ. God does not save people by adopting them. We are saved by the doing and the dying of Jesus, plus nothing. Jesus saves and he saves to the uttermost, Hebrews 7:25. All one has to do to be saved is to call on Christ to save them and believe that he can save you.

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    Election is based upon whosoever believes in the righteousness of Jesus Christ for their justification before God.

    And since faith comes to sinners by the grace of God, and not by human works of righteousness . . when sinners do NOT believe, it is because God has condemned their unbelief already, and left them in their sins.

    No grace = no faith

    No faith = no everlasting life

    No everlasting life for all = no universal atonement

    All and only those Jesus Christ justified with His blood, evidence they are the "whosoever" who will be saved, by faith in Him, alone.

    So be it, whether you believe this Gospel or not.
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

    " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
    Gordon H. Clark

    "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
    Charles Spurgeon

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Nang View Post
      Election is based upon whosoever believes in the righteousness of Jesus Christ for their justification before God.

      And since faith comes to sinners by the grace of God, and not by human works of righteousness . . when sinners do NOT believe, it is because God has condemned their unbelief already, and left them in their sins.

      No grace = no faith

      No faith = no everlasting life

      No everlasting life for all = no universal atonement

      All and only those Jesus Christ justified with His blood, evidence they are the "whosoever" who will be saved, by faith in Him, alone.

      So be it, whether you believe this Gospel or not.
      Hi Mr. Nang.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Robert Pate View Post
        The word "whosoever" is used over 180 times in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. In Strong's Concordance it is word #G3956. In the Greek it means all, any, every. In the English dictionary it means, any person whatever; who; whoever. Jesus said,

        "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16.

        In the Canons of Dort, First Head, Article #10. It says, "He (God) was pleased out of the common mass of sinners to adopt SOME CERTAIN PERSONS as a peculiar people to himself".

        This is in direct conflict with what Jesus is saying. Are we going to believe Jesus or are we going to believe the Calvinist Canons of Dort? Whosoever means all, anyone, everyone that believes in Jesus shall be saved. Paul wrote,

        "WHOSOEVER that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

        Nothing about "Some certain persons". Salvation has been provided for everyone. This is what the Bible teaches.

        "That he by the grace of God might taste death for EVERYONE" Hebrews 2:9.

        Jesus has tasted death for everyone so that, "WHOSOEVER that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13. Calvinism is anti-grace. They want us to believe that if you are not one of the "Some Certain Persons" you are lost. We will never know how many people that think that they are lost because they were not one of the chosen ones. When all they had to do was call on Christ to save them.

        Not only is Calvinism anti-grace, it is also anti-Gospel, which means that it is anti-Christ. God does not save people by adopting them. We are saved by the doing and the dying of Jesus, plus nothing. Jesus saves and he saves to the uttermost, Hebrews 7:25. All one has to do to be saved is to call on Christ to save them and believe that he can save you.
        You teach that sinners Christ died for are still lost!
        "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
        preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
        called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
        a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

        Charles Spurgeon !

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Nang View Post
          Election is based upon whosoever believes in the righteousness of Jesus Christ for their justification before God.

          And since faith comes to sinners by the grace of God, and not by human works of righteousness . . when sinners do NOT believe, it is because God has condemned their unbelief already, and left them in their sins.

          No grace = no faith

          No faith = no everlasting life

          No everlasting life for all = no universal atonement

          All and only those Jesus Christ justified with His blood, evidence they are the "whosoever" who will be saved, by faith in Him, alone.

          So be it, whether you believe this Gospel or not.

          That is not the Gospel.

          The Gospel is about how Jesus justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

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          • #6
            The word "WHOSOEVER" means all, everyone, anyone that believes in Jesus will be saved. Romans 10:13.

            If you try to make the word "whosoever" apply to some certain group, then the word loses its meaning.

            Example. If you say that the "whosoever's" are the elect, then it is no longer the whosoever's, it is the elect and not the whosoever's.

            Calvinist try to change this word, but it cannot be changed. The word means all, everyone, anyone and not any group or entity.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Robert Pate View Post
              The word "WHOSOEVER" means all, everyone, anyone that believes in Jesus will be saved. Romans 10:13.

              If you try to make the word "whosoever" apply to some certain group, then the word loses its meaning.

              Example. If you say that the "whosoever's" are the elect, then it is no longer the whosoever's, it is the elect and not the whosoever's.

              Calvinist try to change this word, but it cannot be changed. The word means all, everyone, anyone and not any group or entity.
              All believers are the elect of God, thus all the elect of God defines the "who" that believe.

              That is simply defining the word, not changing it.
              "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

              " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
              Gordon H. Clark

              "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
              Charles Spurgeon

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Robert Pate View Post
                That is not the Gospel.

                The Gospel is about how Jesus justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5
                Yes.

                and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19.
                The context (the "us" in verse 18) of this teaching refers to the church members at Corinth . . Not to the world at large. This is not a universal promise.

                God reconciles the world to Himself, through the salvation of a remnant of mankind gathered out of each and every nationality. Revelation 21:24-27
                "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

                " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
                Gordon H. Clark

                "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
                Charles Spurgeon

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                • #9
                  Like moths to a flame....
                  Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

                  Titus 1

                  For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

                  Ephesians 5

                  11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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                  • #10
                    They don't want God willing to save all. That makes them feel less special...kind of like the guy with the only Jag on the block whose neighbor shows up with a Jag.

                    Jesus loves some of the children
                    but not all the children of the world,
                    red and yellow, black and white,
                    if elect they're precious in His sight,
                    Jesus loves some of the children of the world.

                    (sorry, Ray)

                    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
                    Terence Mc Lean

                    [most will be very surprised]


                    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
                    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by musterion View Post
                      They don't want God willing to save all. That makes them feel less special...kind of like the guy with the only Jag on the block whose neighbor shows up with a Jag.
                      I simply believe what Sovereign God wills, Sovereign God gets.

                      He never fails in His purposes.

                      If not all men are saved universally, it proves some are prepared by God for destruction, as His word clearly reveals. Romans 9:14-24
                      "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

                      " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
                      Gordon H. Clark

                      "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
                      Charles Spurgeon

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Robert Pate View Post
                        "WHOSOEVER that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
                        Asked and answered too many times:
                        Originally posted by Robert Pate View Post
                        WHOSOEVER, means all, anyone, everyone.
                        Robert Pate's Favorites Answered

                        Robert, you start so many redundant threads you cannot keep up with yourself, for example:
                        http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post4876713

                        http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post4900090

                        Pay attention:
                        Originally posted by Sherman View Post
                        Robert, you diluting what you are trying to convey with this many threads on the subject. I get the impression you are trying to build your post count back up. I will start locking the threads if you keep this up. This many threads is unnecessary and redundant. A couple well managed threads is a better approach.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Robert Pate View Post
                          The word "whosoever" is used over 180 times in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. In Strong's Concordance it is word #G3956. In the Greek it means all, any, every. In the English dictionary it means, any person whatever; who; whoever. Jesus said,

                          "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16.

                          In the Canons of Dort, First Head, Article #10. It says, "He (God) was pleased out of the common mass of sinners to adopt SOME CERTAIN PERSONS as a peculiar people to himself".

                          This is in direct conflict with what Jesus is saying. Are we going to believe Jesus or are we going to believe the Calvinist Canons of Dort? Whosoever means all, anyone, everyone that believes in Jesus shall be saved. Paul wrote,

                          "WHOSOEVER that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

                          Nothing about "Some certain persons". Salvation has been provided for everyone. This is what the Bible teaches.

                          "That he by the grace of God might taste death for EVERYONE" Hebrews 2:9.

                          Jesus has tasted death for everyone so that, "WHOSOEVER that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13. Calvinism is anti-grace. They want us to believe that if you are not one of the "Some Certain Persons" you are lost. We will never know how many people that think that they are lost because they were not one of the chosen ones. When all they had to do was call on Christ to save them.

                          Not only is Calvinism anti-grace, it is also anti-Gospel, which means that it is anti-Christ. God does not save people by adopting them. We are saved by the doing and the dying of Jesus, plus nothing. Jesus saves and he saves to the uttermost, Hebrews 7:25. All one has to do to be saved is to call on Christ to save them and believe that he can save you.
                          Calvinists, of course, believe John 3:16. You, of course believe that God saves some certain persons. The issue is that you fail to pay attention to what you read in the verse. You see "Whosoever" but fail to see the connection between the word "whosoever" and "believes."

                          Those who believe will be saved. All of those who believe will be saved. But this text just does not speak to the issue of whom can/may believe.

                          If you want to hate Calvinists for whom they take as some certain persons as being different from your some certain persons, and if you want to appear rational, then you will have to come up with a different verse. John 3:16 just does not do it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Brother Ducky View Post
                            Calvinists, of course, believe John 3:16. You, of course believe that God saves some certain persons. The issue is that you fail to pay attention to what you read in the verse. You see "Whosoever" but fail to see the connection between the word "whosoever" and "believes."

                            Those who believe will be saved. All of those who believe will be saved. But this text just does not speak to the issue of whom can/may believe.

                            If you want to hate Calvinists for whom they take as some certain persons as being different from your some certain persons, and if you want to appear rational, then you will have to come up with a different verse. John 3:16 just does not do it.

                            Calvinism stands in opposition to John 3:16.

                            You cannot be a Calvinist and believe that... "God so loves the world that he gives his only begotten Son".

                            Nor can you be a Calvinist and believe that... "Whosoever that believes in him will not perish".

                            Who are you trying to fool?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
                              Asked and answered too many times:


                              Robert Pate's Favorites Answered

                              Robert, you start so many redundant threads you cannot keep up with yourself, for example:
                              http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post4876713

                              http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post4900090

                              Pay attention:



                              AMR
                              The fact remains that you cannot refute what the Bible says.

                              The Bible clearly says... "Whosoever (meaning all, anyone, everyone) that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

                              This one scripture totally and completely refutes your Calvinist doctrine. The Canons of Dort, First Head, Article #10 says, "God was pleased out of the common mass of sinners to adopt "SOME CERTAIN PERSONS" as a peculiar people to himself".

                              Now does the scripture say... "Some Certain Persons" that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved". No it doesn't say that, but you wish that it did.

                              I can understand why you and Sherman don't want me to post articles. You don't want to be exposed as the false teacher that you are.

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