Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 4

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Town Heretic

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More dishonesty then. Might as well put: "I talked about pornographers on the moon turning cheese into robots" (silence from Town Heretic.)

You shotgun and conflate and expect me to follow along when you can't answer simple rebuttals on the points I've made and you've attempted to distort or out and out lie about? :D

Still waiting on some synaptic firing on my rejection of your attempt to paint a defense of right as a support for particular use of it. But we both know that won't happen, I suppose.

Yet that mentality [Libertarian] is responsible for 58 million unborn babies being murdered in the womb in the past 43 years and the pain, misery and death that homosexuality has brought to our nation.
No, the Roe Court is responsible and I don't believe any of them were Libertarians. I'm not of the Libertarian mindset. It's another extremist point of view too often, but I'm not going to try to blame them for what the majority they don't belong to has managed.

Save your internet pro life speech for your next Obama Hilary Clinton rally.
See, that's the sort of intellectually dishonest nonsense I'm speaking to. You don't want my position on the point because you can't do with it what you so obviously and desperately want to...

Neither the President nor Mrs. Clinton agree with me on abortion and I'm not supporting her candidacy. The last guy I pushed to help elect was a Republican named Huntsman. But the party chose the wrong Mormon. Such is life.

Abortion and homosexuality wouldn't be legal today if it weren't for the organized movements behind them, and the abortion movement will not be defeated while allowing the homosexual movement to exist.
Abortion wouldn't be here were it not for the Roe Court, appointed in majority by Republican conservatives. They were the best friend radicals on the left ever had on the point.

I've documented numerous times in the past 3 threads the close (inseparable) ties between the abortion and homosexual movements,
I'm sure there are ties between all sorts of organizations, especially those not in the majority who require the majority to accomplish any end. Still different issues with different support in law.

We've seen the harm that homosexuality does, both to the individual and after becoming organized, to society.
Arguable, outside of a particular moral perspective, but we've seen the harm smoking does, to the individual and the larger society left with the impact. We don't ban activities because some harm will come from it. You need to review the standard again, assuming you ever did.

Is homosexuality not immoral in your mind?
You mean, is homosexuality immoral? The "not" confuses your question. But I've answered that one more times than you've been irrational: homosexuality is a sin. All sin is immoral.

So what are these "compelling state interest" that allow civil government to discriminate against incest, bestiality, and other sexual practices that you don't seem to approve of but not homosexuality?

See, you can't just throw out an undefined "other" and suggest a meaningful inquiry. As between humans, any agreement is a contract of sorts and all contracts require, among their elements, consent, which requires capacity to give it. That, as I've noted, is foundational in contract law and criminal law.

So US laws have strengthened when it comes to the exploitation of children to both heterosex and perverse homosex? Name some.
I've already done that prior and I'm not particularly interested in doing more leg work you'll ignore, but just a couple of things for you to not think about then:

Here's a rough from a Wiki that gets the trend right:

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While the age of consent is now set between 16 and 18 in all U.S. states, the age of consent has widely varied across the country in the past. In 1880, the age of consent was set at 10 or 12 in most states, with the exception of Delaware where it was 7.[51]

The ages of consent were raised across the U.S. during the late 19th century and the early 20th century.[52][53] Until a few decades ago, many states used to have provisions requiring that the teenage girl must have been of previous "chaste character" in order for the sexual conduct to be considered criminal. In 1998, Mississippi became the last state to remove this provision from its code.[54] From 2005 onwards, states have started to enact Jessica's Law statutes, which provide for lengthy penalties (often a mandatory minimum sentence of 25 years in prison and lifetime electronic monitoring) for the most aggravated forms of child sexual abuse (usually of a child under age 12).​

A number of states have raised their consent age and a handful since the 60s. Some are considering raising it again. My current state of residency is entertaining a bill to raise it from 16 to 18. A number of states have done that and moved the age upward since the permissive, sexually confused and so-called sexual revolution of the 60s.

Outside of the above, to touch on a few things we've done as a nation since the 60s: Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act (I think around 1998); The Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act (begun in the 70s and reauthorized in 2010); Child Protective Services have been institutionalized since those same 60s; Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment (1974); Indian Child Welfare Act (1978); Adoption and Safe Families Act (1997), to name a few.
 

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This is how "it works" in the "Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized!" threads:

I show what has happened and is currently happening to our society since the LGBTQueer/sexual anarchist movement took control of our laws and culture:

*Parental rights being denied (therapy to help their sexually/gender confused child; contraception being handed out without parental consent, abortions being done without parental consent, sex change operations being done without parental consent)
*Children and youth being indoctrinated into a sexually perverse culture and contracting deadly incurable sexually transmitted diseases
*Invaluable institutions being destroyed
*Disease, misery and death amongst those who engage in homosexuality
Etc. etc. etc.

Now if you have no problem with the above, then defend what has happened and is currently happening since the sexual anarchist movement (abortionists, pornographers, homosexuals, etc.) took control of our laws and culture. If there is something that you don't like about the LGBTQueer/sexual anarchist movement, show us what and how you would go about changing the things that you don't approve of.

I must have missed your answer as to whether or not you're ok with the above and if not, what and how you'd go about changing the things that you don't approve of.

More dishonesty then. Might as well put: "I talked about pornographers on the moon turning cheese into robots" (silence from Town Heretic.)

It's simple request: either you're ok with what's going on in our country or you're not.

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Yet that mentality [Libertarian] is responsible for 58 million unborn babies being murdered in the womb in the past 43 years and the pain, misery and death that homosexuality has brought to our nation.

No, the Roe Court is responsible and I don't believe any of them were Libertarians...

Yet the supposed "right to privacy" (a key in Libertarian doctrine) is what fueled both the Roe v Wade and most recent SCOTUS ruling on faux marriage.

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Save your internet pro life speech for your next Obama Hilary Clinton rally.

See, that's the sort of intellectually dishonest nonsense I'm speaking to. You don't want my position on the point because you can't do with it what you so obviously and desperately want to...

Neither the President nor Mrs. Clinton agree with me on abortion and I'm not supporting her candidacy. The last guy I pushed to help elect was a Republican named Huntsman. But the party chose the wrong Mormon. Such is life.

You mean the same Jon Huntsman that was nominated by Barack Hussein Obama to be an Ambassador to China?

You mean the same Jon Huntsman that was pro homosexual marriage?
http://www.ontheissues.org/Jon_Huntsman.htm

I believe that conservatives have a name for frauds like Jon Huntsman who call themselves "republicans":

RINO.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
I've documented numerous times in the past 3 threads the close (inseparable) ties between the abortion and homosexual movements,

I'm sure there are ties between all sorts of organizations, especially those not in the majority who require the majority to accomplish any end. Still different issues with different support in law.

Except that I'm not talking about the ties between all sorts of organizations, I'm talking about the inseparable ties between the abortion and homosexual movements, and that tie is "sexual freedom".


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We've seen the harm that homosexuality does, both to the individual and after becoming organized, to society.

Arguable, outside of a particular moral perspective,...

Refer to the disease, disorders and early death segment in the index on page 1.

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Is homosexuality not immoral in your mind?

You mean, is homosexuality immoral? The "not" confuses your question. But I've answered that one more times than you've been irrational: homosexuality is a sin. All sin is immoral.

Yet you want to use the force of law to promote this particular sin, a sin that God abhors.


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So what are these "compelling state interest" that allow civil government to discriminate against incest, bestiality, and other sexual practices that you don't seem to approve of but not homosexuality?

See, you can't just throw out an undefined "other" and suggest a meaningful inquiry. As between humans, any agreement is a contract of sorts and all contracts require, among their elements, consent, which requires capacity to give it. That, as I've noted, is foundational in contract law and criminal law.

Again: What are these supposed "compelling interests" that civil government has in not allowing (and thus promoting) the legalization of incest and bestiality to name just two? Try to be specific this time.


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
So US laws have strengthened when it comes to the exploitation of children to both heterosex and perverse homosex? Name some.

I've already done that prior and I'm not particularly interested in doing more leg work you'll ignore, but just a couple of things for you to not think about then:

Here's a rough from a Wiki that gets the trend right:

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While the age of consent is now set between 16 and 18 in all U.S. states,...

Yet minors under the age of consent are able to get contraception, have abortions and get genital mutilation surgery without their parental consent.

Outside of the above, to touch on a few things we've done as a nation since the 60s: Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act (I think around 1998); The Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act (begun in the 70s and reauthorized in 2010); Child Protective Services have been institutionalized since those same 60s; Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment (1974); Indian Child Welfare Act (1978); Adoption and Safe Families Act (1997), to name a few.

https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/rul...ings/childrens-online-privacy-protection-rule

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Abuse_Prevention_and_Treatment_Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_and_Safe_Families_Act

Yet children are being indoctrinated, exposed to all kinds of sexual perversion, and allowed to be adopted and mentored by proud and unrepentant sexual deviants. How is that "protecting them"?

BTW, I've been meaning to ask you: Do you know anyone that is involved in a same sex relationship where he and his 'partner' adopted a child?
 
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It's simple request: either you're ok with what's going on in our country or you're not.
I agree it's a simple question, but one predicated on a flawed and conflated premise. So I've taken a handful of issues among the scattershot.

Yet the supposed "right to privacy" (a key in Libertarian doctrine) is what fueled both the Roe v Wade and most recent SCOTUS ruling on faux marriage.
Libertarians may be on board with it, but it wasn't generated by a libertarian. Not everyone who supports the notion or the Court's application of it is necessarily libertarian.

You mean the same Jon Huntsman that was nominated by Barack Hussein Obama to be an Ambassador to China?
Sure. You want a list of conservatives who have been appointed to posts by democrats? I'm not sure what you think it means.

I'm going to step over your dishonest cherry picking to try to do what you like to do with as little reason or reasoning as you can muster and give you the opening to an article on Huntsman by Daniel Allott, writing for Politico a few years back:

What do you call a family-oriented former governor who supported and signed every pro-life bill sent his way, passed the largest tax cut in his state’s history, enacted the most expansive school voucher program in the nation and presided over what was cited as one of the most business-friendly states?

You call him John Huntsman.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2011/06/huntsman-defining-conservative-057401#ixzz3khxb9Nkh

Except that I'm not talking about the ties between all sorts of organizations,
I know. That's the dishonesty in your cherry picking again. Narrow until an elephant looks like a snake. Got it. Not interested. Because what you're not doing with any of that oil selling is rebutting my answer to your question about the two issues being separate. They remain so, resting on different Court decisions and different legal precedent and foundation.

Refer to the disease, disorders...
Heterosexuals are the primary spreaders of sexually transmitted diseases...or, more on point, people who engage in irresponsible sexual practices do. And?

Yet you want to use the force of law to promote this particular sin, a sin that God abhors.
I'm not using anything, though I'm beginning to wonder if you are...Is it that you aren't capable of understanding that you're lying when you put something like that or that you just don't care?

Here's the answer you can't address on the point, again: you can recognize a particular right without supporting or promoting any use of that idea.

Again: What are these supposed "compelling interests" that civil government has in not allowing (and thus promoting) the legalization of incest and bestiality to name just two? Try to be specific this time.
I answered on the relevant point. I'm not a free education for you. If you're really interested in beastiality then look into the laws. Incest is also case rich. It's not mysterious, but it's another side bar and given how unresponsive you've been where I've addressed points in particularity I'm disinclined to meet your blunderbuss attempt to make a point.

Yet minors under the age of consent are able to get contraception, have abortions and get gentle mutilation surgery without their parental consent.
Which has to do with their autonomy and nothing to do with protecting them from adults. You may recall the starting point of this was your ludicrous and repeated assertion that pedophilia would become legalized. Or maybe you don't recall and that's part of your problem(s).

I've rebutted that assertion. Now you're doing what you always do by trying to start another fire in a different place as though it was the same thing. It isn't.

Yet children are being indoctrinated, exposed to all kinds of sexual perversion, and allowed to be adopted and mentored by proud and unrepentant sexual deviants. How is that "protecting them"?
We can't get to the end/conclusion of your bit without wading through the opening, which is subjective and murkey enough to resist it...which I suppose is how you mean and need for it to be. Children here aren't being indoctrinated. If you live in an area where you think the curriculum is inappropriate then the thing to do is become active and outspoken with your local school board.

BTW, I've been meaning to ask you: Do you know anyone that is involved in a same sex relationship where he and his 'partner' adopted a child?
No. I've seen a number of studies on the point but I don't have a wide acquaintance with the community. I know there's a population in Mobile because they have their own MG associations.
 

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"I talked about pornographers on the moon turning cheese into robots" (silence from Town Heretic.)
Ha! I knew you had inside knowledge on the Cheese-RoboGate.

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This is how "it works" in the "Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized!" threads:

I show what has happened and is currently happening to our society since the LGBTQueer/sexual anarchist movement took control of our laws and culture:

*Parental rights being denied (therapy to help their sexually/gender confused child; contraception being handed out without parental consent, abortions being done without parental consent, sex change operations being done without parental consent)
*Children and youth being indoctrinated into a sexually perverse culture and contracting deadly incurable sexually transmitted diseases
*Invaluable institutions being destroyed
*Disease, misery and death amongst those who engage in homosexuality
Etc. etc. etc.

Now if you have no problem with the above, then defend what has happened and is currently happening since the sexual anarchist movement (abortionists, pornographers, homosexuals, etc.) took control of our laws and culture. If there is something that you don't like about the LGBTQueer/sexual anarchist movement, show us what and how you would go about changing the things that you don't approve of.

I must have missed your answer as to whether or not you're ok with the above and if not, what and how you'd go about changing the things that you don't approve of.


It's simple request: either you're ok with what's going on in our country or you're not.

I agree it's a simple question, but one predicated on a flawed and conflated premise. So I've taken a handful of issues among the scattershot.

I can't help but get the feeling that you're ok with what's currently happening in the United States of America when it comes to the promotion of the homosexual agenda.


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Yet the supposed "right to privacy" (a key in Libertarian doctrine) is what fueled both the Roe v Wade and most recent SCOTUS ruling on faux marriage.

Libertarians may be on board with it, but it wasn't generated by a libertarian. Not everyone who supports the notion or the Court's application of it is necessarily libertarian.

Keyword "doctrine".
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/doctrine

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You mean the same Jon Huntsman that was nominated by Barack Hussein Obama to be an Ambassador to China?
You mean the same Jon Huntsman that was pro homosexual marriage?

I'm going to step over your dishonest cherry picking to try to do what you like to do with as little reason or reasoning as you can muster and give you the opening to an article on Huntsman by Daniel Allott, writing for Politico a few years back:


What do you call a family-oriented former governor who...
You call him John Huntsman.

Except for supporting homosexuality and hence the agenda that goes with it is anything but "family-oriented".

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Except that I'm not talking about the ties between all sorts of organizations, I'm talking about the inseparable ties between the abortion and homosexual movements, and that tie is "sexual freedom".

I know. That's the dishonesty in your cherry picking again. Narrow until an elephant looks like a snake. Got it. Not interested...

I'll gladly go over the 4 articles that I linked in my previous post so that you too can understand that the abortion and homosexual movements are based on the same doctrine of sexual freedom/the right to privacy/ownership of one's body to do as he, she or it pleases.

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Refer to the disease, disorders...

Heterosexuals are the primary spreaders of sexually transmitted diseases...or, more on point, people who engage in irresponsible sexual practices do. And?

And someone needs to review the CDC reports from page 1's index when it comes to disease, disorders and early death amongst those who engage in homosexual behavior and how disproportionately they are afflicted with certain diseases and disorders.

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Yet you want to use the force of law to promote this particular sin, a sin that God abhors.

I'm not using anything, though I'm beginning to wonder if you are...Is it that you aren't capable of understanding that you're lying when you put something like that or that you just don't care?

Here's the answer you can't address on the point, again: you can recognize a particular right without supporting or promoting any use of that idea.

Where did this supposed "right" come from...God? The Founding Fathers? If your answer is the Constitution (or the modern secular humanist interpretation of it), then we're back to talking about laws and how they either deter or promote immoral behavior.


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Again: What are these supposed "compelling interests" that civil government has in not allowing (and thus promoting) the legalization of incest and bestiality to name just two? Try to be specific this time.

I answered on the relevant point. I'm not a free education for you. If you're really interested in beastiality then look into the laws. Incest is also case rich. It's not mysterious, but it's another side bar and given how unresponsive you've been where I've addressed points in particularity I'm disinclined to meet your blunderbuss attempt to make a point.

Yet another simple question that obviously doesn't warrant a response from someone who defends homosexual legislation, but interesting enough not other deviant sex acts.

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Yet minors under the age of consent are able to get contraception, have abortions and get gentle mutilation surgery without their parental consent.

Which has to do with their autonomy and nothing to do with protecting them from adults.

Who drew up and passed these immoral and extremely harmful laws?

Adults.

You may recall the starting point of this was your ludicrous and repeated assertion that pedophilia would become legalized. Or maybe you don't recall and that's part of your problem(s).

It's already legal to molest the minds and spirit of innocent children. If that isn't legalized pedophilia, I don't know what is.

Legalized sex with children has always been a mainstay of the LGBTQueer movement. Their "pioneers" promoted it and many of the honest LGBTQueer activists of today promote it.

You're acting like man-boy love (i.e. child rape) is something new. As I'd shown many civilizations have had it, so why is it so unheard of for ours to embrace what NAMBLA has wanted for so many decades?


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Yet children are being indoctrinated, exposed to all kinds of sexual perversion, and allowed to be adopted and mentored by proud and unrepentant sexual deviants. How is that "protecting them"?

We can't get to the end/conclusion of your bit without wading through the opening, which is subjective and murkey enough to resist it...which I suppose is how you mean and need for it to be. Children here aren't being indoctrinated...

Where is "here", in make-believe land?

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
BTW, I've been meaning to ask you: Do you know anyone that is involved in a same sex relationship where he and his 'partner' adopted a child?

No. I've seen a number of studies on the point but I don't have a wide acquaintance with the community. I know there's a population in Mobile because they have their own MG associations.

And to think that someone's worldview would be influenced so much by some "studies".
 
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Now if you have no problem with the above, then defend what has happened and is currently happening since the sexual anarchist movement (abortionists, pornographers, homosexuals, etc.) took control of our laws and culture. If there is something that you don't like about the LGBTQueer/sexual anarchist movement, show us what and how you would go about changing the things that you don't approve of.
My solution is simple:

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My solution is simple:

Thanks for showing your supposed Christian "compassion" towards those who are morally confused and in the case of the LGBTQueer movement: corrupt.

Righteous laws will put a stop to this insanity that we're seeing.
 

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Thanks for showing your supposed Christian "compassion" towards those who are morally confused and in the case of the LGBTQueer movement: corrupt.

Last time I checked, "confused" was not a legitimate defence for sodomizing children.

Let everyone who is "confused" about their sexual orientation, but haven't committed sexual assault on a child take a step forward.

Thank you.

Execute those in the rear.


Righteous laws will put a stop to this insanity that we're seeing.
If you had executed molestors, especially politicians, lawyers and rich pedo-rings,
there would be no sodomy in prison.

The Death Penalty for sodomy is a ritghteous law.
 

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Thanks for showing your supposed Christian "compassion" towards those who are morally confused and in the case of the LGBTQueer movement: corrupt.

Last time I checked, "confused" was not a legitimate defence for sodomizing children.

I have information from a reliable source (a TOL liberal) that such things don't occur.

Let everyone who is "confused" about their sexual orientation, but haven't committed sexual assault on a child take a step forward.

Thank you.

Execute those in the rear.

When righteous laws are reenacted, there will be plenty of bloodshed in the streets, i.e. the sexual anarchists would rather fight and die than give up their supposed right to murder the unborn and molest the minds and bodies of children.
 

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Once again: As I've shown since Part 1 in the "Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized!" threads, religious liberty and the secular humanist/LGBTQueer/sexual anarchist movement cannot coexist.

In the extensive "Silencing the Christians" segment in Part 1, I showed how those who spoke out against homosexuality were denied employment, fired or indoctrinated with "sensitivity training" for backing the Word of God as seen in Holy Scripture.

I continued to show in the following threads that people of faith (and those who weren't followers of Christ but still believed in decency) continued to be harassed by the civil authorities (due to the influence the LGBTQueer movement has in our society) with fines and threat of jail if they didn't goosestep to the LGBTQueer agenda (I documented one case where a Christian pastor was jailed for helping an ex lesbian leave the country with her young daughter instead of following a court order which gave custody to a proud and unrepentant sexual degenerate:

Pastor sentenced in Christian-vs.-lesbian case

'I was faced with a woman in distress who needed help to protect her daughter'
http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/pastor-jailed-in-christian-vs-lesbian-case/ ).

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Today, Sept. 3, 2015, a judge has ordered an elected public official, Kim Davis, the Rowan County Kentucky County Clerk to be incarcerated for failing to adhere to the LGBTQueer agenda.

The Latest: Attorney for clerk says decision unprecedented

ASHLAND, Ky. (AP) — The latest on the county clerk in Kentucky who has refused to issue marriage licenses since the Supreme Court legalized gay marriage (all times local):

5:20 p.m.

An attorney for a Kentucky county clerk who was jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses to gay couples says the decision is unprecedented.

Attorney Roger Gannam said Thursday that it is "the first time in history an American citizen has been incarcerated for having the belief of conscience that marriage is a union between one man and one woman."

A judge ordered Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis to jail, saying her religious beliefs don't allow her to disobey the law.

Davis told the judge that "God's moral law" conflicts with her job duties...

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/latest-hundreds-protesters-gay-marriage-hearing-150541892.html#

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This is only the beginning...
 
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This from our friend Peter LaBarbera at Americans For Truth About Homosexuality:

Statement by Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Who Refuses to Issue Homosexual ‘Marriage’ Licenses – Liberty Counsel

Sept. 1, 2015

Release by Liberty Counsel, Sept. 1, 2015:

Late yesterday the U.S. Supreme Court declined to extend the temporary stay of a federal court order involving Rowan County Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis. The federal court previously ordered Kim Davis to issue marriage licenses to the plaintiffs who filed suit against her. Liberty Counsel represents Kim Davis and appealed that order to the Court of Appeals. The lower court order was temporarily stayed until August 31, and, while the appeal is still pending, the stay of the order is no longer in effect. In light of these developments, Kim Davis released the following statement:

"I have worked in the Rowan County Clerk’s office for 27 years as a Deputy Clerk and was honored to be elected as the Clerk in November 2014, and took office in January 2015. I love my job and the people of Rowan County. I have never lived any place other than Rowan County. Some people have said I should resign, but I have done my job well. This year we are on track to generate a surplus for the county of 1.5 million dollars.

In addition to my desire to serve the people of Rowan County, I owe my life to Jesus Christ who loves me and gave His life for me. Following the death of my godly mother-in-law over four years ago, I went to church to fulfill her dying wish. There I heard a message of grace and forgiveness and surrendered my life to Jesus Christ. I am not perfect. No one is. But I am forgiven and I love my Lord and must be obedient to Him and to the Word of God.

I never imagined a day like this would come, where I would be asked to violate a central teaching of Scripture and of Jesus Himself regarding marriage. To issue a marriage license which conflicts with God’s definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience. It is not a light issue for me. It is a Heaven or Hell decision. For me it is a decision of obedience. I have no animosity toward anyone and harbor no ill will. To me this has never been a gay or lesbian issue. It is about marriage and God’s Word. It is a matter of religious liberty, which is protected under the First Amendment, the Kentucky Constitution, and in the Kentucky Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Our history is filled with accommodations for people’s religious freedom and conscience. I want to continue to perform my duties, but I also am requesting what our Founders envisioned – that conscience and religious freedom would be protected. That is all I am asking. I never sought to be in this position, and I would much rather not have been placed in this position. I have received death threats from people who do not know me. I harbor nothing against them. I was elected by the people to serve as the County Clerk. I intend to continue to serve the people of Rowan County, but I cannot violate my conscience."

http://americansfortruth.com/2015/0...homosexual-marriage-licenses-liberty-counsel/

The readers of this thread will recall in another AFTAH article that I posted, Scott Lively described the malicious deception of homosexual activists, saying that the Obergefell-SCOTUS ruling on strange sex marriage will usher in forced participation in homosexual culture:

"Go to the 23-minute mark in the video where Lively describes the five stages of the incremental homosexual activist advance in societies: 1) Tolerance; 2) Acceptance; 3) Celebration; 4) “Forced participation in gay culture”; and 5) Punishment of dissenters".

Read more: http://americansfortruth.com/2015/0...shers-in-forced-participation-in-gay-culture/

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It's simple request: either you're ok with what's going on in our country or you're not.
I think you must simply enjoy reposting. Else, I answered you on the tangled mess of assumptions you weave together before you arrive at a conclusion that rests on them. So, again, I'll take a few issues presented and watch you not rebut my answers. Adding to the list of things you won't respond to doesn't make much sense (I'll be reposting this bit the next time you pull the copy/paste routine). :D

I can't help but get the feeling that you're ok with what's currently happening in the United States of America when it comes to the promotion of the homosexual agenda.
You can't apparently help a lot of things, but that's your problem really.

Except for supporting homosexuality and hence the agenda that goes with it is anything but "family-oriented".
Answered prior. Anything new or are you just trying to bury the post with the things you can't actually rebut in it while looking to a casual observer as though you're engaging?

I'll gladly go over the 4 articles that I linked in my previous post so that you too can understand that the abortion and homosexual movements are based on the same doctrine of sexual freedom/the right to privacy/ownership of one's body to do as he, she or it pleases.
Why? It doesn't begin to address my point about the Court holdings and what they rest on, the things that make gay marriage and abortion fundamentally separate issues.

And someone needs to review the CDC reports from page 1's index when it comes to disease, disorders and early death amongst those who engage in homosexual behavior and how disproportionately they are afflicted with certain diseases and disorders.
And smokers die, disproportionately, from lung cancer or mouth cancer. And the obese die much more often from cardiovascular disease. And?

Where did this supposed "right" come from...God?
Take a course in Constitutional law.

The Founding Fathers? If your answer is the Constitution (or the modern secular humanist interpretation of it), then we're back to talking about laws and how they either deter or promote immoral behavior.
No, you're back. In our compact laws serve to balance rights among governments and men; to encourage that which promotes the stability of the compact that protects right and discourage that which undermines our institutions.

Yet another simple question that obviously doesn't warrant a response from someone who defends homosexual legislation, but interesting enough not other deviant sex acts.
I actually told you what you could do if you're interested in that sort of thing. My participation here isn't tied to running off on whatever tangent strikes your fancy.

Who drew up and passed these immoral and extremely harmful laws? Adults.
Still waiting on you to begin to answer my rebuttal noting that protection of children from that, according to you, inevitable pedophilia movement overwhelming the foundations of civil and criminal law. Nice smoke though.

It's already legal to molest the minds and spirit of innocent children.
Complete nonsense. Unable to rebut you're trying to cobble a new issue that rests on your subjective impressions and litmus.

If that isn't legalized pedophilia, I don't know what is.
I agree that you don't then know what pedophilia is.

Legalized sex with children has always been a mainstay of the LGBTQueer movement. Their "pioneers" promoted it and many of the honest LGBTQueer activists of today promote it.
I think you're nuts, but it doesn't meet my answer. Or, it wouldn't matter if you were right. It would still run into the same roadblocks I noted. The ones you haven't dealt with in your frenzy to get back to peddling your absurd "sky is flaming" rhetoric.

Where is "here", in make-believe land?
No. Here is where I live. We don't have that problem. And I've noted the solution for those who might in my last.

And to think that someone's worldview would be influenced so much by some "studies".
I prefer to get my understanding from objectively sustainable sources instead of predicating what I think I know on my own limited experience of life or the say so of unscientific rhetorical rags. Else I might fall into the sort of distorted madness that has you in its grip and keep chanting slogans instead of argument, find myself unable to meet simple, clear rebuttal without hurling sand and other things into the air. Yes, knowledge is better than assumption. Peer reviewed studies subject to stringent guidelines and empirical testing are superior to flying by the seat of your pants.
 

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Once again: As I've shown since Part 1 in the "Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized!" threads, religious liberty and the secular humanist/LGBTQueer/sexual anarchist movement cannot coexist.

In the extensive "Silencing the Christians" segment in Part 1,
who is being silenced? Davis sure sin't, she just keeps talking and talking
 

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This from our friend Peter LaBarbera at Americans For Truth About Homosexuality:

Statement by Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Who Refuses to Issue Homosexual ‘Marriage’ Licenses – Liberty Counsel

Sept. 1, 2015

Release by Liberty Counsel, Sept. 1, 2015:

Late yesterday the U.S. Supreme Court declined to extend the temporary stay of a federal court order involving Rowan County Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis. The federal court previously ordered Kim Davis to issue marriage licenses to the plaintiffs who filed suit against her. Liberty Counsel represents Kim Davis and appealed that order to the Court of Appeals. The lower court order was temporarily stayed until August 31, and, while the appeal is still pending, the stay of the order is no longer in effect. In light of these developments, Kim Davis released the following statement:

"I have worked in the Rowan County Clerk’s office for 27 years as a Deputy Clerk and was honored to be elected as the Clerk in November 2014, and took office in January 2015. I love my job and the people of Rowan County. I have never lived any place other than Rowan County. Some people have said I should resign, but I have done my job well. This year we are on track to generate a surplus for the county of 1.5 million dollars.

In addition to my desire to serve the people of Rowan County, I owe my life to Jesus Christ who loves me and gave His life for me. Following the death of my godly mother-in-law over four years ago, I went to church to fulfill her dying wish. There I heard a message of grace and forgiveness and surrendered my life to Jesus Christ. I am not perfect. No one is. But I am forgiven and I love my Lord and must be obedient to Him and to the Word of God.

I never imagined a day like this would come, where I would be asked to violate a central teaching of Scripture and of Jesus Himself regarding marriage.

Divorce? oh wait you don't care about THAT teaching

To issue a marriage license which conflicts with God’s definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience. It is not a light issue for me. It is a Heaven or Hell decision. For me it is a decision of obedience. I have no animosity toward anyone and harbor no ill will. To me this has never been a gay or lesbian issue. It is about marriage and God’s Word. It is a matter of religious liberty, which is protected under the First Amendment, the Kentucky Constitution, and in the Kentucky Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Our history is filled with accommodations for people’s religious freedom and conscience. I want to continue to perform my duties, but I also am requesting what our Founders envisioned – that conscience and religious freedom would be protected. That is all I am asking. I never sought to be in this position, and I would much rather not have been placed in this position. I have received death threats from people who do not know me. I harbor nothing against them. I was elected by the people to serve as the County Clerk. I intend to continue to serve the people of Rowan County, but I cannot violate my conscience."

I wondered when she would start lying about receiving death threats. I'm surprised it took her this long.
 

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As those who closely follow this now 4 part thread know, I talk about the attack on law enforcement (especially local law enforcement) since (as shown in the index) the LGBTQueer movement has a deep seated HATRED of the police and the criminal justice system for the "injustices" (raids of dens of inequity over the years) that the police have brought upon drag queens, chicken hawks, bull dykes and fairies.

One of the reasons I like Ted Cruz as much as I do is because he's not afraid to speak the truth.

Cruz blames Obama for climate of violence against police

9-4-15

FORT WORTH, Texas (AP) - Republican presidential contender Ted Cruz blamed President Barack Obama on Thursday for a climate of violence against police, contending the president and his administration have long vilified law enforcement.

His unsparing appraisal came in an Associated Press interview between campaign stops and mere days after the slaying of a deputy in Cruz's hometown of Houston, allegedly by a man with a history of mental illness.

"There are unfortunate, tragic consequences when the president of the United States repeatedly vilifies law enforcement and when that rhetoric is amplified by the Department of Justice, when it's amplified by politicians across this country," Cruz said in the interview.

Sheriff's Deputy Darren Goforth was the sixth officer in the nation shot and killed in August alone, according to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund...

Read more: http://www.wtoc.com/story/29955355/cruz-blames-obama-for-climate-of-violence-against-police

Don't just take Ted Cruz's word for it:

 

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Once again: As I've shown since Part 1 in the "Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized!" threads, religious liberty and the secular humanist/LGBTQueer/sexual anarchist movement cannot coexist.

In the extensive "Silencing the Christians" segment in Part 1,...

who is being silenced? Davis sure sin't, she just keeps talking and talking

How does it feel to belong to a movement that makes Christians political prisoners TracerBullet?

Gotta love Kim Davis's husband Joe: He stood outside of the jail that political prisoner Kim Davis is in and held a sign saying:

Welcome to Sodom and Gomorrah.

You do know what God did to the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah don't you TracerBullet? (and it wasn't due to their "inhospitality").

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

This is how "it works" in the "Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized!" threads:

I show what has happened and is currently happening to our society since the LGBTQueer/sexual anarchist movement took control of our laws and culture:

*Parental rights being denied (therapy to help their sexually/gender confused child; contraception being handed out without parental consent, abortions being done without parental consent, sex change operations being done without parental consent)
*Children and youth being indoctrinated into a sexually perverse culture and contracting deadly incurable sexually transmitted diseases
*Invaluable institutions being destroyed
*Disease, misery and death amongst those who engage in homosexuality
Etc. etc. etc.

I think you must simply enjoy reposting...

Let's start with the lack of parental rights to seek therapy for their sexually or gender confused child. As shown, many of these sexually confused children were sexually molested as a child and in their formidable teen years take on same sex desires.

Do you agree with the LGBTQueer movement that therapy for sexually and gender confused youth is harmful, or do you believe that parents know what's best for their child and should be able to seek therapy for them?

If you agree with the latter, how would you go about attacking the massive movement (nationwide) that is taking away the very foundation of parenthood:

The God given right to do what is (morally) best for their child.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
I'll gladly go over the 4 articles that I linked in my previous post so that you too can understand that the abortion and homosexual movements are based on the same doctrine of sexual freedom/the right to privacy/ownership of one's body to do as he, she or it pleases.

Why? It doesn't begin to address my point about the Court holdings and what they rest on, the things that make gay marriage and abortion fundamentally separate issues.

Let's start with the Lifesitenews.com article entitled:

Why are there always rainbow flags at pro-abortion rallies?

"...An essential component of being pro-life is an openness to life. On an ideological level, homosexuality tends towards being individualistic; in a practical sense, profoundly sterile. Homosexuality uses sex as an instrument for self-gratifying pleasure, and cannot physically be used in the unitive and procreative way it was intended. When couples “mutually masturbate” for their own intensive desire, the procreative element is eliminated, thus becoming an inescapable rejection of life. With the rejection of life, easily comes the destruction of life, making it impossible to negate one without the other. Both camps strive for the acceptance of sex without consequence, thus aligning themselves with like-minded individuals. It’s a match made in heaven." [more like Hell]
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/why-are-there-always-rainbow-flags-at-pro-abortion-rallies

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
And someone needs to review the CDC reports from page 1's index when it comes to disease, disorders and early death amongst those who engage in homosexual behavior and how disproportionately they are afflicted with certain diseases and disorders.

And smokers die, disproportionately, from lung cancer or mouth cancer..

What a coincidence: Those who engage in homosexual behavior disproportionately smoke cigarettes (some studies show up to 200% more than heterosexuals to be addicted to tobacco). You really should review the index.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Where did this supposed "right" [to engage in perverse behavior] come from...God?

Take a course in Constitutional law.

Since I'm talking about the index, you should check out how our Founding Fathers (you've probably heard of them, they're the ones that wrote the Constitution) felt about homosexuality.



Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Yet another simple question that obviously doesn't warrant a response from someone who defends homosexual legislation, but interesting enough not other deviant sex acts.

I actually told you what you could do if you're interested in that sort of thing. My participation here isn't tied to running off on whatever tangent strikes your fancy.

I have an idea: Why don't you read numerous "studies" that defend incest and bestiality? If "studies" helped you changed your moral convictions towards homosexuality, they should be able to give you more of an open mind towards other sexually deviant acts.


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Who drew up and passed these immoral and extremely harmful laws? Adults.

Still waiting on you to begin to answer my rebuttal noting that protection of children from that, according to you, inevitable pedophilia movement overwhelming the foundations of civil and criminal law. Nice smoke though

Not just any adults: LGBTQueer adults were behind all of the legislation (denying therapy to sexually confused children, allowing gender confused children to have sex change operations without parental consent).

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Legalized sex with children has always been a mainstay of the LGBTQueer movement. Their "pioneers" promoted it and many of the honest LGBTQueer activists of today promote it.

I think you're nuts, but it doesn't meet my answer. Or, it wouldn't matter if you were right...

The LGBTQueer movement is an extremely powerful movement, i.e. they get what they want.

They were able to change the definition of one of societies most prized institutions: marriage.

They were able to make Christians political prisoners (Rowan County Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis).

A little thing like changing the sexual age of consent laws aint nuttin.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Where is "here", in make-believe land?

No. Here is where I live. We don't have that problem. And I've noted the solution for those who might in my last.

I'm talking about a national movement, but if you would give me the city and state that you live in, I can give you specifics as to what's happening to youth when it comes to being indoctrinated by the LGBTQueer movement.

I've covered extensively the indoctrination that children are going through via the media and homosexual "culture", I'll cover it even more (extensively as a matter of fact) in the upcoming Education segment.
 

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Why are there always rainbow flags at pro-abortion rallies?
Why does that matter? It doesn't begin to address my point about the Court holdings and what they rest on, the things that make gay marriage and abortion fundamentally separate issues.

What a coincidence: Those who engage in homosexual behavior disproportionately smoke cigarettes (some studies show up to 200% more than heterosexuals to be addicted to tobacco). You really should review the index.
Again, why do you think that number (and I'm not suggesting your source material is accurate, only of no particular value) matters? What's the difference in cancer rates between smokers and non-smokers? And more importantly, what point does it alter?

Since I'm talking about the index, you should check out how our Founding Fathers (you've probably heard of them, they're the ones that wrote the Constitution) felt about homosexuality.
The ones who said all men were created equal and owned slaves? Why? As with women's rights and the Civil Rights Movement, living up to the founding principles of the nation is an ongoing process. Sometimes, as with Scott or Roe, we get a thing horribly wrong and advance dehumanization under the flag of law. But we have a good track record over time and I think Roe will meet a fate similar to Scott eventually.

Yet another simple question that obviously doesn't warrant a response from someone who defends homosexual legislation, but interesting enough not other deviant sex acts.
I'm not particularly interested in deviant sex acts of any sort, but my entry into this thread was on a few points. Points you mostly dodged and continue to dodge, so expanding the list doesn't make a great deal of sense.

If "studies" helped you changed your moral convictions towards homosexuality,
See...that's just you lying again. And I mean by that you are a practiced and open liar, there being no other way to see it given my repeated responses on the moral foundation and my response, one of the ones you lack an answer for, directly on the point.

Or, you can support a right without supporting every use of the right. So I'm for free speech without supporting how the Klan uses it, or you.

The LGBTQueer movement is an extremely powerful movement, i.e. they get what they want.
I see your paranoia, but it's steeped in an profound and willful ignorance of the law and what the law rests on, as I pointed out repeatedly prior.

I'm talking about a national movement
I think you're speaking to some extremist philosophy that only becomes relevant in particular application, which is how you fight extremists. And so my note about how to do that.
 

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As many of you may recall from my previous threads, I was quite impressed with Ben Carson when he spoke the truth at a Prayer Breakfast a couple of years ago (one that B. Hussein Obama attended).

Then I lost a certain amount of respect for him when he made a pubic apology after saying that homosexuality is a choice (which I've shown numerous times that it is).

Bryan Fischer's article lets us all know that Dr. Ben Carson isn't a true conservative, as he's for allowing sexually confused people (in this case homosexuals) "civil unions".

Ben Carson and civil unions

Sept. 4, 2015

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Bryan Fischer

Ben Carson supports civil unions for homosexual couples. Ben Carson is wrong.

In the spring, after apologizing for correctly saying that being gay is a choice, he compounded his self-inflicted wound by declaring his support for ersatz homosexual couplings. "I support civil unions for gay couples," said Carson, "and I have done so for many years." He reiterated his support for civil unions after the Supreme Court ruling on sodomy-based marriage was released in June.

Dr. Ben Carson has been climbing the charts in recent polling data. He has pulled even with Donald Trump in one Iowa poll, and is second nationally in a number of other polls. His quiet, calm thoughtful demeanor is winning over voters who are looking for someone who is a political outsider and less frenetic than Trump.

This mandates a revisit by social conservatives of his views on homosexuality.

Carson's fundamental problem here is that he is in favor of granting official legal and cultural approval to homosexual behavior. A civil union is identical to homosexual "marriage" in everything but name. All the same recognition, rights and privileges attach to civil unions as they do to same-sex "marriages." But a rose by any other name is still a rose, and a homosexual union by any other name is still something immoral, unnatural and unhealthy.

Civil unions are problematic from a moral, medical and political point of view. From a moral standpoint, civil unions grant societal approval to behavior which God condemns. That alone should be a showstopper for Dr. Carson, but it isn't.

From a medical point of view, civil unions promote behavior that has absolutely disastrous consequences for medical health. According to the Centers for Disease Control, homosexual behavior is riskier to human health even than intravenous drug abuse.

Men who have sex with men are at the highest risk of contracting HIV/AIDS, while men who shoot up with drugs have the second highest risk...

From a legal standpoint, recognition of homosexual civil unions will create all the same problems for society that homosexual marriages do, for bakers and florists and photographers and county clerks. It solves nothing.

And from a political standpoint, it pleases no one. Civil unions will not satisfy the homosexual lobby, because gay activists do not want half a loaf. They are insisting on the whole loaf, in addition to looking for ways to snatch any crumbs that may be left over for the socially conservative among us. They still want to silence, punish and marginalize anyone and everyone who opposes their agenda. Civil union status would not slow them down a bit. In fact, it would just infuriate them as something that, in their view, treats them as second-class citizens.

And civil unions will not please thinking evangelicals for the simple reason that civil unions approve of what God condemns. Evangelicals cannot support the normalization of adultery and fornication, and must not support the normalization of homosexual conduct for the same reason: it is a perversion of God's design for human sexuality.

Read more: http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/150904
 

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Bryan Fischer's article lets us all know that Dr. Ben Carson isn't a true conservative, as he's for allowing sexually confused people (in this case homosexuals) "civil unions".

Ben Carson and civil unions

Sept. 4, 2015

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Bryan Fischer

Ben Carson supports civil unions for homosexual couples. Ben Carson is wrong.

In the spring, after apologizing for correctly saying that being gay is a choice, he compounded his self-inflicted wound by declaring his support for ersatz homosexual couplings.]
So Bryan Fischer can apparently choose which sex he finds sexually attractive to him, just like you aCW.

Dr. Ben Carson:
“In a recent interview on CNN, I realized that my choice of language does not reflect fully my heart on gay issues,” Carson said. “I do not pretend to know how every individual came to their sexual orientation. I regret that my words to express that concept were hurtful and divisive. For that I apologize unreservedly to all that were offended.”
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Nobody chooses their own sexual orientation aCW, except perhaps a god might choose it for them. Even a bisexual can choose their partner but not their bisexual orientation.

Fundamentalist Christians with homosexual leanings can choose to be part of a hate group to help with their self denial because they must be true to their fundie perception of God rather than in ever being true to thine own self.

Polonius:
This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
Farewell, my blessing season this in thee!

Hamlet Act 1, scene 3, 78–82
 
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