ECT Unconditional Election

Nang

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the church is visible and it doesn't teach tulip, the most dangerous belief there is because according to tulip, it doesn't matter what you do

The visible churches are mixed with unrepentant sinners, hypocrites, and even reprobates.

The invisible church is heavenly and consists 100% of regenerated saints, justified by faith in Jesus Christ.

And I already gave you answer (Post #58) that it does very much matter that forgiven and sanctified believers obey.
 

chrysostom

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The visible churches are mixed with unrepentant sinners, hypocrites, and even reprobates.

The invisible church is heavenly and consists 100% of regenerated saints, justified by faith in Jesus Christ.

And I already gave you answer (Post #58) that it does very much matter that forgiven and sanctified believers obey.

that would be conditional
 

Nang

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that would be conditional

There are no conditions attached to Justification. We are saved by grace through faith alone, and not by works on our part of any kind. Even the act of believing is the gift of faith bestowed by regeneration of the Holy Spirit. (John 3:1-18)

However, Sanctification produces good works and evidences the presence of the Holy Spirit in a Christian's soul. Such good works validate faith. James 1:25, 2:17-26

The RCC fails to make proper distinction between the two doctrines of Justification and Sanctification.
 

chrysostom

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There are no conditions attached to Justification. We are saved by grace through faith alone, and not by works on our part of any kind. Even the act of believing is the gift of faith bestowed by regeneration of the Holy Spirit. (John 3:1-18)

However, Sanctification produces good works and evidences the presence of the Holy Spirit in a Christian's soul. Such good works validate faith. James 1:25, 2:17-26

The RCC fails to make proper distinction between the two doctrines of Justification and Sanctification.

there is only one distinction that makes a difference -
the church teaches that everyone can choose to be saved -
 

Nang

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there is only one distinction that makes a difference -
the church teaches that everyone can choose to be saved -

How does this teaching distinguish between Justification and Sanctification?

Which of these doctrines establishes the criteria and order of "salvation?" Does a sinner "choose" to be justified to get saved, or does a sinner "choose" sanctification to get saved?

Can one be sanctified without being first justified?

And what is the basis for your church to teach "choosing salvation?" It is not biblical language. The word "choose" is only used of God doing the choosing. No sinner has ever succeeded in choosing his own salvation. Romans 3:11

That is because the human will is held enslaved and in bondage to sin, death, and the devil . . until and unless he is freed in his heart/mind/will to believe the Gospel of Christ's work of Justification on the cross.

Which simply means, the hardened heart of any sinner, must first be renewed in order for that person to believe in his heart that the crucified Christ was raised from the dead. Only that miracle works salvation. Romans 10:9

And that miracle can only be worked by the Holy Spirit . . not man. That is the miracle of regeneration. (John 3:1-8)

Regeneration precedes faith in God's pardon (justification). Faith produces belief. Belief produces obedience. Obedience produces holiness. This is the process of Sanctification built upon confession of Justification (Romans 10:8), which produces salvation unto everlasting life. Romans 10-8-10

So there is just quite a bit more to the subjects, than the simplistic teaching you present from the RCC.
 

TulipBee

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that is a condition
nice try. that condition was delt with before I was born. you told me that I need to eat the wafer, in the Catholic Church...Wow....

Once again we challenge you to show me one apostle teaching anyone to worship the elements at the Lord's Supper.
Once again we ask you to show us one verse of God's Word that mentions ) a Mass,.
2) or a Catholic priest,.
3) or the worship of bread.
4) or a Catholic priest saying a Mass
5) Or a Pope presiding over the church.
6) or the apostles wearing vestments..
7) or anyone praying to Mary or saints...
8) or anyone teaching that when a believer dies he has to go to Porkatory.
9) Nor do we see apostles hearing confession, even Peter didn't hear Simon the Sorcerer's confession, he told Simon to pray to God for forgiveness..
10) Nor do we see any statues in the house churches
11) nor do we see anyone buying indulgences from the apostle..
12) nor do we see cardinals, nuns or monks...and I could go on and on, this is a religious institution that has just simply invented things not found in the Word of God for it's own self-aggrandizement .

Your religious institution seeks it's own agenda not the agenda of the LORD, it seeks to continue to perform religious rituals that save No one, and refuses to teach and preach the Word of God verse by verse, that's why millions are leaving and seeking churches that teach and preach the Word of God verse by verse.
We are living in the Last Days, and everything we see around us is breaking apart, what people need is the Word of God, for in the Word of God are the Words of everlasting life..

Only the Gospel saves, religious rituals never saved anyone and never will...

Romans 10:9-10, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
 

Sigh

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I say thanks Chrys cuz I couldn't find any other way to say hi to you when I came looking for you!
 
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