ECT Things that are different are not the same!

[musterion]

The 12: Taught by Christ that they were still under the Law (Matt 5:18; 6:14-15; 19:35). They were to follow the instructions of the Pharisees (Matt 23:2-3) [insofar as the Pharisees' instruction was in line with the Scripture]. Even years later, during the Acts period, some Jewish Christians observed certain aspects of the Law (Acts 21:15-26).

Paul: Taught that all those in Christ are dead to the Law (Rom 3:22-23; 4:5; 8:1; Titus 3:5). Paul condemned the Judaizers (see Galatians) for attempting to imposing elements of the Law onto Gentile believers. Even the 12 eventually agreed that Gentile believers were not to be subjected to the Law (Acts 15:22-29).

 

[JosephR]

Judas preached the Book of Enoch..

Thomas preached that we all are Gods...

James preached works without faith.


thats your 4 u think you know plus 2.. pls tell me what the other 6 said?

 

[heir]

Just because sinners seek to differentiate, does not produce or prove any differentiations in the Holy Scriptures and absolute truths of God.

Exodus 11:7 But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that the LORD doth put a difference between the Egyptians and Israel.

 

[musterion]

The 12: Sent by Christ to redeem Israel first (Matt 10:5-6), then to Gentiles through redeemed Israel (Luke 24:47-48) in what has come to be called the 'Great Commission.' No Gentile salvation apart from Israel is mentioned in Acts until chapter 10, after the conversion of Saul.

Note: Zola Levitt observed, "Peter actually ran into some difficulty with the church fathers back in Jerusalem when he returned from his mission to the household of Cornelius: 'They that were of the circumcision contended with him, saying, You went to uncircumcised men, and you ate with them' (Acts 11:3)." This observation should raise two very important questions: If the 'Great Commission' was aimed at Jews and Gentiles equally, why was Peter called on the carpet for even going to a Gentile? More importantly, why did Peter himself tell Cornelius is was against his customs to even VISIT Cornelius, if his ministry was intended for Gentiles, too?
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Paul: Sent by Christ to preach to ALL men EQUALLY the free grace of God (Rom 5:20; Eph 2:8), as God gradually set unrepentant Israel aside (Rom 10:12; 11:25-32).

 

[heir]

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

vs. 1 Corinthians 15:3 KJV

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

vs. "But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested,..." Romans 3:21-22 KJV

 

[heir]

According to prophecy, In the kingdom (future), Gentiles will be blessed through Israel's rise:

Isaiah 60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.
Isaiah 60:2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
Isaiah 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

Zechariah 8:22 Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the LORD.
Zechariah 8:23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.



According to mystery, in the Body, in the dispensation of the gospel, salvation came unto the Gentiles through Israel's fall:

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

 

[heir]

My Lord Jesus loves to hear the truth preached.

Your lord satan hates it.

LA

Get saved and grow up.

 

[heir]

Israel

Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

vs. in the Body

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.


Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

 

[musterion]

Joseph, posts like this morning's make me wonder if Meshak was right a few months back. Anything to it? You're definitely not your normal self today.

 

[heir]

Question:

Paul said that if anyone preached a gospel to them, let the preachers be accursed. As we know, he said it twice, he took the issue so seriously. Yet the Galatians to whom he wrote were already saved when they were taken captive by the concision.

So if those who try to dupe the saved with false gospels are accursed, how seriously must God take the preaching of false gospels to the lost?

Although I believe that the "any other gospel" that Paul mentioned were gospels preached in the Bible, "accursed" is very strong language and applies by extension to all of those who are identified below, whose end shall be according to their works!

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

2 Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

 

[musterion]

Although I believe that the "any other gospel" that Paul mentioned were gospels preached in the Bible, "accursed" is very strong language and applies by extension to all of those who are identified below, whose end shall be according to their works!

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

2 Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

Yep. Circumcision IS biblical...its just not pan-dispensational. So much legalism today is perfectly biblical but still damning.

 

[heir]

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

vs.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.


WOW!

 

[heir]

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.


1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.



vs.


Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Ephesians 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Ephesians 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

Things that are different are not the same!

 

[Nang]

The 12: As John the Baptist and Christ did, the 12 preached the Kingdom--an earthly, physical, theocratic government centered in a restored Jerusalem -- over which Christ the Messiah would reign as the undisputed, invincible King of all the earth:

At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the Lord (Jer. 3:17).

Out of Zion shall go forth the Law, and the Word of the Lord from Jerusalem (Isa. 2:3).

Yea, all kings shall fall down before Him: all nations shall serve Him (Psalm 72:11).

The Lord shall be King over all the earth (Zech. 14:9).
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Paul: Preached the Body: a living, spiritual organism of which Christ is the Head (Eph 2:22; 4:15-16; 5:23) with heaven rather than earth the focus.

There is no difference between proclaiming the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand and preaching Jesus Christ crucified and resurrected to Glory.

Same gospel message . . .

Your interpretation of the Kingdom is literal and theocratic; not spiritual and full of the grace and glory of the Christ.

 

[Nang]

Naggie asserts, again, that Judas preached the 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV "good news," "the gospel," and was saved.

This grossly misrepresents what I believe and what I have posted.

Wickedness....

Yep. You work wickedly, indeed.

 

[Nang]

The 12: Taught by Christ that they were still under the Law (Matt 5:18; 6:14-15; 19:35). They were to follow the instructions of the Pharisees (Matt 23:2-3) [insofar as the Pharisees' instruction was in line with the Scripture]. Even years later, during the Acts period, some Jewish Christians observed certain aspects of the Law (Acts 21:15-26).

Paul: Taught that all those in Christ are dead to the Law (Rom 3:22-23; 4:5; 8:1; Titus 3:5). Paul condemned the Judaizers (see Galatians) for attempting to imposing elements of the Law onto Gentile believers. Even the 12 eventually agreed that Gentile believers were not to be subjected to the Law (Acts 15:22-29).

This is Antinomianism, which error blinds persons to the full truths of God.

 

[Nang]

Exodus 11:7 But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that the LORD doth put a difference between the Egyptians and Israel.

Another example of your abusive tactics in handling the Word of God . . .

A difference between Godly and ungodly people, does not warrant finding supposed differences in the one Gospel of God.

You have no interest or idea in the premise of this Gospel, which is revealed in the Covenants of God; thus, you err greatly in your ignorance.

 

[Nang]

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.


1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.



vs.


Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Ephesians 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Ephesians 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

Things that are different are not the same!

There is no "versus" here, between these Scriptures, except in your imagination.

You are full of pride, wanting to be right, and forcibly abuse the words of God to make them fit your wrong conclusions.

God takes no pleasure in such practices . . . Malachi 2:7-8

 

[Nang]

Heir spams with 7 posts trying to sell false beliefs, but I respond to 3 persons' views in 6 posts, and Heir neg reps me for being "trollish!"

Go figure . . .

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

"This is only one of many things that are different in the Bible. I'd love to see some more! "-heir, the most underrated member in the history of TOL
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