The Watch Towers Founder Called Jesus "The Almighty"

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Which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.—“It is since His resurrection that the message has gone forth—‘All power in Heaven and in earth is given unto Me.’ (Matt 28:18.) Consequently it is only since then that He could be called the Almighty.”—Z. '93-115; Rev. 1:4; 16:5-7.​

Who said this? Charles Taze Russel... He said it in the following reference...

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Just to bring the fire and ensure the Jehovahites sweat... here is the PDF Book Link...

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/4601...n_id=06f6d0390ce12aea3ec43cab7859ad7a40cb62e1

What page is it on? Page 23 and 24 of the PDF linked E-Book

What does this mean? It means that every Jehovahs Witness on this site that says Jesus isn't YHWH the Almighty is taught a lie that the founder of their organization would dispute!
 

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Hello [MENTION=17493]KingdomRose[/MENTION] , [MENTION=15324]NWL[/MENTION] and all JW... watchtower representatives... why are you in disagreement with your FOUNDER... Charles Taze Russell?

Jesus IS YHWH!

Even though CTR is "Arian"... he knew better than to deny that Jesus is YHWH.

Your reply?
 

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Nothing therein gets the JW or the Mormon off the hook for denial of the Trinity.

Within the one Being that is God, there exists eternally three coequal and coeternal persons, namely, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Of the Triune Godhead, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, if we say anything, we should say:

1. the Father is God,
2. the Son is God,
3. the Holy Spirit is God,
4. the Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit,
5. the Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit,
6. the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son, and
7. they are not three gods, but one God.

Misunderstandings of the Trinity often come from confusing ontology and distinctions with respect to the Godhead. Ontologically, there is no difference between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not three, separate, divine essences (or beings). The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are co-equal, co-participants of the one divine essence. When speaking of the Godhead in formal theological terms, we would properly say that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three personal subsistences of the one, divine, essence.

The essence of something is that something’s being. In the Greek, the word is ousia. The word essence has its root in the Latin, to be. When speaking of God, the question arises as to how God’s essence makes its existence known, for God is more than having being or existence. Indeed, God is being, for He declared this to be so to Moses in Exodus 3:14-15. In the Exodus passage (see also John 5:26; Acts 17:24-25) God declares His self-existence (aseity), importing a boundless, ineffable, absolute, and transcendent being.

How does essence make its existence known? If we were in one of my past Jesuit philosophy classes (sigh) we would examine in the abstract how essence individuates with respect to existence and the means of this individuation. Fortunately we are not in one of these classrooms, so we look to Scripture to learn how the essence of God exercises existence, that is, how the essence of God subsists. When something really exists we say this something possesses subsistence. And when we speak of the characteristics of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, we are speaking about the individuated subsistences of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These subsistences do not divide the essence of God. God’s essence is common to the three subsistences, each possessing the essence as one undivided nature—‘as all the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Christ’, so in the Holy Spirit; and of the Father.

For those wanting to dig deeper:
Spoiler

The water deepens with yet another Greek word was prosopon (πρόσωπον). The original meaning is “face” or “mask.” The Latin persona, from which we get “person,” had the same meaning. Of course, the heretical Sabellians, who wished to know only of a revealed trinity, eagerly made use of these words in order to gain acceptance for their views. As a consequence, the orthodox avoided these words. The Greeks therefore used the above-mentioned hypostasis for “person,” even where they had earlier used prosopon.

From history we know the Western Latin church found it difficult at first to find unambiguous terms. There were two Latin words, namely, substantia and subsistentia. Sometimes both were used for substance, and sometimes both for person, sometimes the one for substance and the other for person. From an understanding of church doctrinal history, the solution was as follows:

1. The term substantia was abolished in relation to God. Substantia is associated by contrast with accidentia, “accident,” “chance,” and by calling God “substance” one did not want to give the impression that in God, too, there is chance.

2. This rejected word—substantia—was replaced by the more precise term essential, “being,” “essence,” which corresponds to the Greek ousia.

3. The nature of God, as inclusive of the attributes of His being, is called natura in Latin, which agrees with the Greek physis.

4. The word subsistentia remained in use in order to indicate the personal mode of existence. Thus, it means what we call person. In the same sense is suppositum, a translation of the Greek words hypostasis and hypokeimenon (ὑποκείμενον).

The ancients also spoke of a perichoresis or enyparxis (περιχωρήσις, ἐνυπάρξις); with the Latin: circumcessio or inexistentia mutual, “mutual in-being.” One wished to say that the persons of the Godhead are in each other reciprocally (see John 14:2; 17:21; 1 Cor. 2:10–11). Hence, there is a kind of internal circulation of the Godhead, an eternal movement within the being of God.

The persons of the Trinity are distinguished from each other by their character (character hypostatius sive personalis (τρόπος ὑπάρξεως). This personal factor is expressed in the names Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, which make known the uniqueness of the three persons. This factor is incommunicable, that is, it belongs only to one person. Thus, it serves to distinguish the persons. With the Father, it is the Father begetting the Son (but not in His causing by breathing the procession of the Spirit, for He has that in common with the Son). With the Son, it is the Son being begotten by the Father. With the Holy Spirit, it is the Spirit being breathed out (spirated) by Father and Son.

Regarding the relation between persons and substance, and, in particular, regarding the question how the persons are distinguished from the substance, we know that complete unanimity does not reign among the orthodox. We must avoid two extremes: Sabellianism that admits only one person, who is said to have revealed himself in three forms, and tritheism that does not comprise the three persons within the unity of substance.

In order to find the proper middle way, some would say that the persons are distinguished from the substance modaliter, “according to the mode,” that is, as the substance in the abstract and as the substance in a certain mode with certain ways of existence (but not realiter, formaliter, or merely ratione). And others would say that the persons are distinguished from each other realiter, “actually” (but not essentialiter or merely ratione).

Concerning the idea to be with connected the words hypostasis, subsistentia, suppositum, persona, there is no reigning unanimity. Calvin admits that the word “person” is only an aid but still did not disapprove of its use. The Socinians, Remonstrants, Anabaptists, Cartesians, and also Cocceius have disputed the use of “person”. The likely oldest definition of “person” was: “Person is the divine being itself distinguished by a certain independent character and by its own manner of existence.” As time passed further descriptions were added. The accepted definition of the older dogmaticians goes back beyond Melanchthon to Boethuis: “Person is an independent entity, indivisible, rational, incommunicable, not sustained by another nature and not a part of something else.

More recently, men like G. Vos (to whom I am indebted for what follows), offer up:


  • Person is an independent entity, indivisible, rational, incommunicable, not sustained by another nature but possessing in itself the principle of its operation.

I am even content with a more modest description, as long as the caveats implied in my above (e.g., heretical modalism) are maintained:


  • Person, with reference to the Trinity, means the divine essence in a specific mode of existence and distinguished by this specific mode of existence from that essence and the other persons.

We should also be aware of the issues of ousia and Platonism, hypostasis and Stoicism. The latter originally means “self-existence” and could therefore be used by theologians for a long time to express the same as ousia. Hypostasis took on more the sense of “person.” But not at once and as a result great confusion arose because one could now hear at the same time the assertion that there was one hypostasis and that there were three hypostases in the Godhead.

I realize that physis and ousia are not the same. Ousia is the being of God in the abstract. Physis is inclusive of the attributes in Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, that is, those unique to the divine being. The attributes, however, are inseparably joined to the being (φύσις).

The activities by which each of the persons of the Trinity exists distinct from each other, is called “internal works” (opera ad intra). They are personal activities not common to all the persons and are incommunicable. As such they are the begetting and spirating of the Father, for the Son, being begotten and spirating, for the Spirit being spirated. These works, for the reasons mentioned, are called divided works (opera divisa).

Contrasted to these “internal works” are the “external works” (opera ad extra). These may not be divided but belong to the whole being (Gen. 1:26; John 5:17, 19). The external works are performed by God’s power, and power as an attribute belongs to the being. In the economy or management of God each person has His unique task. For example, creation is ascribed to the Father, salvation to the Son, etc. Yet here, too, the three persons in a certain sense work together, namely, the Father through the Son and the Spirit, the Son through the Father and Spirit.

Moreover, in the economy within the Godhead in a narrower sense—in the economy of salvation—the persons of the Trinity exist in a judicial fellowship. Nothing can take place in which each one is not involved judicially. The Father, as Judge, represents violated holiness and is wrathful. But at the same time the Father ordains the Son as Mediator and the Holy Spirit as the one who applies salvation. The Son accomplishes the Mediator’s work, but He does so officially for the Father’s sake, and through the Holy Spirit He applies His merits. The Holy Spirit works in the hearts of the elect, but He does so for the sake of the Father and the Son.

This order of working points us back to the order of existence. Just because the Father is the First Person, He occupies that place in the plan of salvation and in the external works in general (opera ad extra). Just because the Son is the Second Person, He also assumes in both respects the position He assumes. And the same is true for the Holy Spirit.



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This dude is getting bumped for quite some time to come. Allow me to address what this means...

Charles Taze Russel had to have "believed" in the "Unity" of the Father and Son... and Because the "Holy Spirit also proceeds from the Father in the JW doctrine... there is a clear Semi-TrinUnitatianism that the very founder of the Watch Tower subscribed to!

Yup!

Jesus IS the ALMIGHTY!
 

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You are stirring up contention for nothing. What do you get out of this? Charles Russell said quite a few things that were overturned later by the brothers. He separated blacks and whites at a showing of his movie, The Photodrama of Creation, and he was clearly in error. He considered himself "the faithful and discreet servant" of Matthew 24:45. He felt that Israel was still God's chosen people, and many other things that he changed his mind on later, or his brothers corrected after his death.

In a nutshell---Russell said many things that we know to be untrue now, and we do not hold to those erroneous teachings. We have built on the many things he got RIGHT. Other religions have not embraced the truths he recognized, such as the falsehood of the Trinity, Hell-fire, and the Immortality of the Soul, so, therefore, we align ourselves with his organization which has been refined, tested, and more unified over the years.
 

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Nothing therein gets the JW or the Mormon off the hook for denial of the Trinity.

Within the one Being that is God, there exists eternally three coequal and coeternal persons, namely, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Of the Triune Godhead, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, if we say anything, we should say:

1. the Father is God,
2. the Son is God,
3. the Holy Spirit is God,
4. the Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit,
5. the Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit,
6. the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son, and
7. they are not three gods, but one God.

Misunderstandings of the Trinity often come from confusing ontology and distinctions with respect to the Godhead. Ontologically, there is no difference between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not three, separate, divine essences (or beings). The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are co-equal, co-participants of the one divine essence. When speaking of the Godhead in formal theological terms, we would properly say that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three personal subsistences of the one, divine, essence.

The essence of something is that something’s being. In the Greek, the word is ousia. The word essence has its root in the Latin, to be. When speaking of God, the question arises as to how God’s essence makes its existence known, for God is more than having being or existence. Indeed, God is being, for He declared this to be so to Moses in Exodus 3:14-15. In the Exodus passage (see also John 5:26; Acts 17:24-25) God declares His self-existence (aseity), importing a boundless, ineffable, absolute, and transcendent being.

How does essence make its existence known? If we were in one of my past Jesuit philosophy classes (sigh) we would examine in the abstract how essence individuates with respect to existence and the means of this individuation. Fortunately we are not in one of these classrooms, so we look to Scripture to learn how the essence of God exercises existence, that is, how the essence of God subsists. When something really exists we say this something possesses subsistence. And when we speak of the characteristics of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, we are speaking about the individuated subsistences of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These subsistences do not divide the essence of God. God’s essence is common to the three subsistences, each possessing the essence as one undivided nature—‘as all the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Christ’, so in the Holy Spirit; and of the Father.

For those wanting to dig deeper:
Spoiler

The water deepens with yet another Greek word was prosopon (πρόσωπον). The original meaning is “face” or “mask.” The Latin persona, from which we get “person,” had the same meaning. Of course, the heretical Sabellians, who wished to know only of a revealed trinity, eagerly made use of these words in order to gain acceptance for their views. As a consequence, the orthodox avoided these words. The Greeks therefore used the above-mentioned hypostasis for “person,” even where they had earlier used prosopon.

From history we know the Western Latin church found it difficult at first to find unambiguous terms. There were two Latin words, namely, substantia and subsistentia. Sometimes both were used for substance, and sometimes both for person, sometimes the one for substance and the other for person. From an understanding of church doctrinal history, the solution was as follows:

1. The term substantia was abolished in relation to God. Substantia is associated by contrast with accidentia, “accident,” “chance,” and by calling God “substance” one did not want to give the impression that in God, too, there is chance.

2. This rejected word—substantia—was replaced by the more precise term essential, “being,” “essence,” which corresponds to the Greek ousia.

3. The nature of God, as inclusive of the attributes of His being, is called natura in Latin, which agrees with the Greek physis.

4. The word subsistentia remained in use in order to indicate the personal mode of existence. Thus, it means what we call person. In the same sense is suppositum, a translation of the Greek words hypostasis and hypokeimenon (ὑποκείμενον).

The ancients also spoke of a perichoresis or enyparxis (περιχωρήσις, ἐνυπάρξις); with the Latin: circumcessio or inexistentia mutual, “mutual in-being.” One wished to say that the persons of the Godhead are in each other reciprocally (see John 14:2; 17:21; 1 Cor. 2:10–11). Hence, there is a kind of internal circulation of the Godhead, an eternal movement within the being of God.

The persons of the Trinity are distinguished from each other by their character (character hypostatius sive personalis (τρόπος ὑπάρξεως). This personal factor is expressed in the names Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, which make known the uniqueness of the three persons. This factor is incommunicable, that is, it belongs only to one person. Thus, it serves to distinguish the persons. With the Father, it is the Father begetting the Son (but not in His causing by breathing the procession of the Spirit, for He has that in common with the Son). With the Son, it is the Son being begotten by the Father. With the Holy Spirit, it is the Spirit being breathed out (spirated) by Father and Son.

Regarding the relation between persons and substance, and, in particular, regarding the question how the persons are distinguished from the substance, we know that complete unanimity does not reign among the orthodox. We must avoid two extremes: Sabellianism that admits only one person, who is said to have revealed himself in three forms, and tritheism that does not comprise the three persons within the unity of substance.

In order to find the proper middle way, some would say that the persons are distinguished from the substance modaliter, “according to the mode,” that is, as the substance in the abstract and as the substance in a certain mode with certain ways of existence (but not realiter, formaliter, or merely ratione). And others would say that the persons are distinguished from each other realiter, “actually” (but not essentialiter or merely ratione).

Concerning the idea to be with connected the words hypostasis, subsistentia, suppositum, persona, there is no reigning unanimity. Calvin admits that the word “person” is only an aid but still did not disapprove of its use. The Socinians, Remonstrants, Anabaptists, Cartesians, and also Cocceius have disputed the use of “person”. The likely oldest definition of “person” was: “Person is the divine being itself distinguished by a certain independent character and by its own manner of existence.” As time passed further descriptions were added. The accepted definition of the older dogmaticians goes back beyond Melanchthon to Boethuis: “Person is an independent entity, indivisible, rational, incommunicable, not sustained by another nature and not a part of something else.

More recently, men like G. Vos (to whom I am indebted for what follows), offer up:


  • Person is an independent entity, indivisible, rational, incommunicable, not sustained by another nature but possessing in itself the principle of its operation.

I am even content with a more modest description, as long as the caveats implied in my above (e.g., heretical modalism) are maintained:


  • Person, with reference to the Trinity, means the divine essence in a specific mode of existence and distinguished by this specific mode of existence from that essence and the other persons.

We should also be aware of the issues of ousia and Platonism, hypostasis and Stoicism. The latter originally means “self-existence” and could therefore be used by theologians for a long time to express the same as ousia. Hypostasis took on more the sense of “person.” But not at once and as a result great confusion arose because one could now hear at the same time the assertion that there was one hypostasis and that there were three hypostases in the Godhead.

I realize that physis and ousia are not the same. Ousia is the being of God in the abstract. Physis is inclusive of the attributes in Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, that is, those unique to the divine being. The attributes, however, are inseparably joined to the being (φύσις).

The activities by which each of the persons of the Trinity exists distinct from each other, is called “internal works” (opera ad intra). They are personal activities not common to all the persons and are incommunicable. As such they are the begetting and spirating of the Father, for the Son, being begotten and spirating, for the Spirit being spirated. These works, for the reasons mentioned, are called divided works (opera divisa).

Contrasted to these “internal works” are the “external works” (opera ad extra). These may not be divided but belong to the whole being (Gen. 1:26; John 5:17, 19). The external works are performed by God’s power, and power as an attribute belongs to the being. In the economy or management of God each person has His unique task. For example, creation is ascribed to the Father, salvation to the Son, etc. Yet here, too, the three persons in a certain sense work together, namely, the Father through the Son and the Spirit, the Son through the Father and Spirit.

Moreover, in the economy within the Godhead in a narrower sense—in the economy of salvation—the persons of the Trinity exist in a judicial fellowship. Nothing can take place in which each one is not involved judicially. The Father, as Judge, represents violated holiness and is wrathful. But at the same time the Father ordains the Son as Mediator and the Holy Spirit as the one who applies salvation. The Son accomplishes the Mediator’s work, but He does so officially for the Father’s sake, and through the Holy Spirit He applies His merits. The Holy Spirit works in the hearts of the elect, but He does so for the sake of the Father and the Son.

This order of working points us back to the order of existence. Just because the Father is the First Person, He occupies that place in the plan of salvation and in the external works in general (opera ad extra). Just because the Son is the Second Person, He also assumes in both respects the position He assumes. And the same is true for the Holy Spirit.



AMR

This is very true, AMR. But it does show the very dishonesty that the Warch Tower propagates... to its congregation... above all.

And... excellent post!

I must add... The Body is different than the Soul and Spirit..l but the 3 are harmoniously Modal, while the Model is Harmoniously three.

Hence the fact that we are indeed Mono Theists... recognizing scripture to the last... fine detail and accepting it with "Faith".
 

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You are stirring up contention for nothing. What do you get out of this? Charles Russell said quite a few things that were overturned later by the brothers. He separated blacks and whites at a showing of his movie, The Photodrama of Creation, and he was clearly in error. He considered himself "the faithful and discreet servant" of Matthew 24:45. He felt that Israel was still God's chosen people, and many other things that he changed his mind on later, or his brothers corrected after his death.

In a nutshell---Russell said many things that we know to be untrue now, and we do not hold to those erroneous teachings. We have built on the many things he got RIGHT. Other religions have not embraced the truths he recognized, such as the falsehood of the Trinity, Hell-fire, and the Immortality of the Soul, so, therefore, we align ourselves with his organization which has been refined, tested, and more unified over the years.

So let me get this straight... the very founder of your organization was "disfellowshipped" in doctrine?

And about "Contention"... your fake doctrine is under a thread titled "Jesus isn't YHWH". You folk are even contentious among yourselves! This is overtly obvious beyond denial at this specific moment in time. You can't even agree with the underwriter of your core doctrines!

You are even apostate to your very founder! This will not go unmentioned!
 

KingdomRose

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This is very true, AMR. But it does show the very dishonesty that the Warch Tower propagates... to its congregation... above all.

And... excellent post!

AMR presents himself as Mr. Got-the-Facts, but he is standing on sandy ground. Those who want to dig deeper would do well to seek out information from Christ's brothers on Earth, and not those that advance pagan traditions such as three-gods-in-one, ECT, and dead people that are not really dead. It is garbage.

The Watch Tower hasn't propagated any dishonesty. We all know what Brother Russell's thoughts were back in the late 1800s. Through study and research we have determined which of his teachings were solid and which were based on misunderstanding. We no longer give any credence to the spurious idea of the Trinity and that Jesus is God Almighty! Not one JW believes that today.
 

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AMR presents himself as Mr. Got-the-Facts, but he is standing on sandy ground. Those who want to dig deeper would do well to seek out information from Christ's brothers on Earth, and not those that advance pagan traditions such as three-gods-in-one, ECT, and dead people that are not really dead. It is garbage.

The Watch Tower hasn't propagated any dishonesty. We all know what Brother Russell's thoughts were back in the late 1800s. Through study and research we have determined which of his teachings were solid and which were based on misunderstanding. We no longer give any credence to the spurious idea of the Trinity and that Jesus is God Almighty! Not one JW believes that today.

Oh, I see... and you all wonder why you are a theological laughing stock?

AMR contributed well... while you, KR, are simply defending your "True God". The "Watch Tower". It is the ruler of your life and holds more authority over you than the ALMIGHTY JESUS CHRIST!
 

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Elohim is a transliterated plural TITLE meaning Almighty.

Yah Veh is a transliterated NAME meaning Eternal Existent

Yah means Eternal and is also a transliteration.

These are grammatical and linguistic facts.
 

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Elohim is a transliterated plural TITLE meaning Almighty.

Yah Veh is a transliterated NAME meaning Eternal Existent

Yah means Eternal and is also a transliteration.

These are grammatical and linguistic facts.

I agree with you on this... and it feels nice to not be in disagreement with one another, for a matter.

:e4e:
 

KingdomRose

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Re. post #8:

Was the pope excommunicated "in doctrine" when he (whichever pope it was) decided that St. Christopher was no longer a saint or that it was OK to eat meat on Friday? Was the present pope excommunicated "in doctrine" when he indicated that homosexuals, women who have had abortions, and every other religion on earth are really OK with him because he wants to be all-inclusive, no matter what the Church has taught in the past?

Get off your high horse and say something that has meaning. You are like a small child running around causing havoc in the playground.
 

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Re. post #8:

Was the pope excommunicated "in doctrine" when he (whichever pope it was) decided that St. Christopher was no longer a saint or that it was OK to eat meat on Friday? Was the present pope excommunicated "in doctrine" when he indicated that homosexuals, women who have had abortions, and every other religion on earth are really OK with him because he wants to be all-inclusive, no matter what the Church has taught in the past?

Get off your high horse and say something that has meaning. You are like a small child running around causing havoc in the playground.

Jesus is my "Pope"... so... um... what's your point? The Mother Church is brick and mortar... but the Body of Christ is "EveryWhere"!

Did you intend to zing this laughable matter away from yourself?
 

KingdomRose

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Oh, I see... and you all wonder why you are a theological laughing stock?

AMR contributed well... while you, KR, are simply defending your "True God". The "Watch Tower". It is the ruler of your life and holds more authority over you than the ALMIGHTY JESUS CHRIST!

So now you're going to throw "Almighty Jesus" around because you say Charles Russell said it was true? LOL!! Well, if what he supposedly said in 1870 is true for you, then why don't you believe the OTHER things he said???

How about "Hell is not hot---it is mankind's GRAVE"? Why not believe that? He rejected hell-fire and ECT. Do you reject it?
 

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You are agreeing with the truth and nothing more. That does however please me.

Well.. hells bells! Have another thank you... it does the heart good to get along with a fellow believer in Jesus our Almighty Redeemer, God and Glorious King of Eternity!
 

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So now you're going to throw "Almighty Jesus" around because you say Charles Russell said it was true? LOL!! Well, if what he supposedly said in 1870 is true for you, then why don't you believe the OTHER things he said???

How about "Hell is not hot---it is mankind's GRAVE"? Why not believe that? He rejected hell-fire and ECT. Do you reject it?

KR... if this Kitchen is too hot.. you can show yourself out. The Almighty Jesus comment came from your doctrinal "father"... if you can't trust him... I do believe your organization is as false as all of the other "cliques" you all profess to be profane and of the beast.

That 144,000 ticket looks like it just got punched and you have egg... all over your face.
 

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How many more deceitful secrets does the Kingdom Hall have, [MENTION=15324]NWL[/MENTION] ? [MENTION=17493]KingdomRose[/MENTION] shared a few... do you have some more examples of how your organization was founded on "false prophets"?

I do... I'll share it one way or another... but would you like to address the false coming Prophecies that started with the Millerite movement?
 

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Don't know about everyone else here... but I'm awful sick of the JW's spewing their canned doctrine all over the place and not having a shred of actual prayer and private study under their belts.

On that note... [MENTION=7209]Ask Mr. Religion[/MENTION] has done his study time 10 fold and prayer too! [MENTION=17493]KingdomRose[/MENTION] ... you picked up a pamphlet and fellowshipped your way into your doctrine... but most of the TriUnitarians around here have spent countless hours allowing God and Scripture to mold them, despite how little room it left them to be in perfect, harmonious agreement with "any" institution.

The TrinUnitarians are looking like the theological bad boys and you Kingdom Hall types are beginning to look like the kid that "cheats on their own exam"... and... off of a kid that got most of the answers "Wrong"... to boot!
 
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